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[Kotra]

My opinion is that DLC can be cheaper. Why? Supply for DLC is limitless, so the only cost of producstion is employers salary (and internet structure - already build for this page, and other DLC's already published) ergo lowering price can increase profits (with assumption that price elasticity of demand is relatively elastic - but since costs of production are low, Bio can check it, right?).



So once again, BioWare (or should I tell it to EA?) try to relase one DLC with low price, check is it profitable - do not assume that price must be so high because other companies do so!



PS. Dragon Age is great game, good work BioWare

PSS. Excuse me for my language mistakes.

[Kendaric Varkellen]

Tmolus wrote...

isnt downloadable content like this super easy to make?

all they have to do is take the ostergard area, put some new (same base different skin) monsters in there. make a (new?) boss.. which drops the king's armor... which they dont even have to design! cause its already in the original....

No, it's not that easy. You need new voice overs for the companions and quest-related NPCs, companions who were present during the battle will need special dialog tailored to them and the areas from prior to the battle have to be modified a lot to represent the damage caused by the events. While that is certainly easier to accomplish than creating an entirely new area, it's definitely not super easy.

its already lame to return to the circle tower being a mage origin.... 

That's a matter of personal preference... I'm looking forward to revisit the tower with my mage on my second play-through and I really wish my noble warrior could have revisited Highever during the game which is unfortunately impossible.

[Raxtoren]

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The issue just isnt about price, is anyone really amazed about this DLC?
Seems just to be another reason to make money here. im not that intrested in getting to the battlefield, why would I? are you kidding me? who did I meet at the battlefield that I miss talking too? and second, is this the best idea bioware has about what they think people wanna experience from bioware DLC?
Duncan and Cailan is dead, and wearing their armor make no sense didnt the monster crush Cailian? shouldnt his armor also be destroyed then?
And people goes around and accuse you for betraying the king and then you walk aroun with his armor, ye, you clearly thought this through bioware...

Exactly what I was pointing out few pages back...but nobody seems to care (my post was completely ignored) since its the price and principle that matters the most...and stiiil, eeeveryone underlined that ITS THE STORY AND PLOT that is so amazing in this rpg pinnacle of a game. Story, reason and logic behind this dlc are something I cannot grasp...apart from "lets throw some leftovers and increase the speed of the money sucking machine"...money making money taking.

yeah, because obviously you and me and everyone else who own for ex a gaming pc,ps3 and xbox360 + hdtv's cant afford something for 5 dollar (or 40 kronor if you're swedish like me)
that isnt the point, for me and many others is that bioware release as cheaply DLC as possible to keep the cost down, and re-use stuff.
Just as mass effect dlc was, it was just another deserted planet, with the same facilities... wtf?!
Or the 2nd dlc which was just a simulator of places you been to, wtf?!
And now this dlc , return to ostagar - wow!! ...

How about doing like Fallout 3 DLC did?
Did they do a simulator? sure, but they also added a new city, continued the story and added tons of hours of gameplay, not only did for ex Broken Steel last for 5+ hours, it added perks, weapons,armor and raised the level cap with 10+ and kept the main story going. and they charged 800 for it.
What did Wardens keep cost? 560? and what did that do? and why did that last me 20-30 min? I dont give a crap about PR.spin, if you claim wardens keep is 1h of content then Broken STeel must be 10-20 hours if you use the same crazy logic and BS.
Please tell me what was so amazing about wardens keep. Im not bashing it, but nothing about it was great or amazing, and now the next dlc comes and apparently is supposed to be even lesser.

Modifié par Raxtoren, 20 novembre 2009 - 02:40 .

[Benny8484]

"Look at me!  I am running around in the king's armor!  I am no betrayer!  I just looted his corpse!"

So much for the storyline...

[Benny8484]

I mean honestly did this subject not even come up with developing this DLC?  Everyone is accusing the main character as a betrayer of king & now we are going to be running around wearing his armor?

Additionally, the re-textured Starfang, Juggernaut helm was a nice touch

Modifié par Benny8484, 20 novembre 2009 - 03:17 .

[Travyplx]

Benny8484 wrote...

I mean honestly did this subject not even come up with developing this DLC?  Everyone is accusing the main character as a betrayer of king & now we are going to be running around wearing his armor?

Additionally, the re-textured Starfang, Juggernaut helm was a nice touch

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I was honestly thinking that the king's armor would be excellent for Allistar, as it stands I have him wearing the templar armor

[Travyplx]

Benny8484 wrote...

I mean honestly did this subject not even come up with developing this DLC?  Everyone is accusing the main character as a betrayer of king & now we are going to be running around wearing his armor?

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I was honestly thinking that the king's armor would be excellent for Allistar, as it stands I have him wearing the templar armor

[xcess]

Will the character(s) that left the group for whatever reason in the mainplot still be gone or are they back to group up with you? Would be illogical if they did, if you want to keep the DLC true to the mainplot. Not naming any character that left because of spoilers.

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[addiction21]

0mar wrote...

Not buying this garbage. I refuse to be nickel and dimed. Treat your customers with respect Bioware.

This isn't about money or time or conent. It's about respect. It used to be that developers would release something like this as a thank-you gift to the fans.

No you dont deserve something for free.  Right now you have free forums to **** on, free tech support, many Bioware employees are working on patching and fixing problems for FREE, and a FREE TOOL KIT to make your own FREE adventures.

[Walina]

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Will the character(s) that left the group for whatever reason in the mainplot still be gone or are they back to group up with you? Would be illogical if they did, if you want to keep the DLC true to the mainplot. Not naming any character that left because of spoilers.

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Lol!
I agree, that won't make sense to ressurect or see Morrigan coming back.
In my opinion, any new DLC will be before post-archedemon / before Archedemon or Landmeet.

[hangmans tree]

Walina wrote...

Lol!
I agree, that won't make sense to ressurect or see Morrigan coming back.
In my opinion, any new DLC will be before post-archedemon / before Archedemon or Landmeet.

Another one...did the IQ or reading comperhention drop below zero lately? WHAT ABOUT NO SPOILERS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???????!!!!!
Just for that statement I'd ban you from the boards....to give away that kind of spoiler just sceams for punishment!

THANKS A ??????? LOT!

God, I'm begining to despise the form in which people post here - it makes me angry and resort to swearing...and that is NOT GOOD!

Modifié par Rob Bartel, 20 novembre 2009 - 05:30 .

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Rob Bartel wrote...

As for the level of the loot in our PRC, that's a hard one to answer as a lot of it scales dynamically. Play through Warden's Peak or Stone Prisoner at level 6 or 7 vs level 23 and you'll find that, while the same items are there, their stats are significantly different. That said, I'll be the first to admit that item balance isn't my forte, particularly with me being a new addition to the Dragon Age team and not having a firm sense of the overall in-game economy.

Ah, thank you. I wasn't aware that the unique loot scaled. That's good then. Well, I know I'll be holding off on Ostragar until I'm level 20+ then. I want that golden pimp-armor to be as good as it can be. Ever since I saw Cailan in Ostragar, I thought "I want your pants." 

Regarding the level of integration with the main game, it's relatively easy to add new content to the game but actually quite hard to alter content that already exists. So, for Return to Ostagar, we focus on allowing you and your followers to react to a major event that occurred in the world (the Battle of Ostagar, the loss of your friends and allies) rather than trying to edit the world at large to react to the events found in Return to Ostagar. The decisions you make there are important but largely private ones that world is not meant to know. Being able to wear King Cailan's armor and not have the world react to it is a shame and I wish we could have tackled that but we felt that the overall implementation cost of that simply outweighed the benefits and would have increase the price beyond what we felt the content was worth. Pricing is a difficult enough beast as it is, I assure you. =o)

Oh. That's unfortunate.  I was kind of hoping for something that I could bring up during the climax of the whole Loghain story arc. Like "The Grey Wardens have painstakingly retrieved King Cailan's body and arms for a proper burial! Wouldn't Loghain have done that if he cared about Cailan?" It wouldn't even need much new voice acting. Just one or two lines from Loghain and one or two from the peanut gallery during said pivotal moment. I'm not greedy.

[Erik Mcvay]

you know if you look in the stone prisoner trailer you can see what (I think) is return to ostagar

[Kelevra007]

Erik Mcvay wrote...

you know if you look in the stone prisoner trailer you can see what (I think) is return to ostagar

Sure is, they have probably been working on it for a while.

[KennethAFTopp]

the sword in the screenshots is that King Maric's sword?

[BadMOOJOO]

Hey Bioware/EA its old already. Release a FULL game.



This is called "nickle and diming"...



I'm sure your Marketing Team thinks its brilliant, people are buying it, but at what cost.



It dividing the community as well as just plain pissing off working stiffs that drop money for what should be a complete product.



This is not "upselling" its robbery.

[JosephShrike]

I'm not a huge fan of DLC, mainly because I feel that when developers had to actually get an expansion published, they made relatively sure it was worth the cost. Cost which is eliminated with DLC, somewhat removing a bit of accountability (in my mind at least). Still, I also recognize that it's the way things are probably going to be.



As for the price, games are, it seems, more expensive then they should be. I can remember (vaguely, as if through a fog of beer and...not so 'accepted' subtances) when 30 bucks would get you a cartridge or a four cd set you could play for longer, with generally better story then most of the crap out there today. So I'm not too thrilled about selling out 60 bucks (cause I got it on a console instead of a PC, a difference which is a whole different story) for any game. Dragon Age, though, I think was undeniably worth it. Not for the time it took, but for what it was, on the inside. Like what they tell you to look for in the not so pretty girls (<--X360 graphics joke).



I think 5 bucks for 1 hour of game play is expensive, and fairly ridiculious...but at the same time, it's completely legitimate. For me, the gamer me, I don't want to pay more for something I've basically already bought. I feel entitled for the 'complete' experience. The more rational side, the part I try my best to ignore on a regular basis, understands two unchanging principles. One, nothing in life is ever free, and two, people will always need and want money. I don't think EA/Bioware are being digital highway men for their small DLC releases. I think that they created something to make money, and I think they're adding to it. I'm sure Bioware likes making good games, so I didn't mean it like they're a bunch of heartless dicks refusing to give Mr. Cratchet Christmass off. I enjoy my job, but I wouldn't want to do it for free. So they make this game, and they make stuff to add onto it. They gotta pay programmers, they have to pay actors, and they have to pay marketing, not to mention the various serves/Sony/Microsoft because we all not it's not free to publish. When it's all said and done, I'm sure they're making a good deal of profit off of this, but it isn't insurance money profit. It won't be anything to scoff at, but I doubt it'll buy Jeff Bioware a new Audi.



Long tirade short, no one is going to hand out DLC like cheap, imported Mexican candy (imported because the M&Ms I bought an hour ago cost 2.50 and I didn't think it would make a good argument). Most importantly though, if you don't like the price, don't pay for it. If you don't like they publishing DLC, don't download it. You're a consumer. They can offer you whatever they want, and you can always say no. EA/Bioware is first and foremost a business, created to sell us **** that makes us happy for a little bit. So if an hour of your enjoyment isn't worth 5 bucks, don't buy it. Just recognize no matter how much anyone complains, it's not going to get the price lowered. I mean, it's be nice, but that's just the way it goes.



*I know there's no one named Jeff Bioware.

[Chozos]

Personally I have no problem with $5 for some extra DLC. I see people complaining about the price and asking for free or more and what not but dont folks, Bioware does have to pay not only thier people but the people for the voice overs. Now if this new content didnt have voice overs would you complain about that, if they could make it free at that point or even less? Also $5 dollars for an hourish, more if your nosing through everything, less if your a power gamer, consider it an hour per character. I plan on playing this game (if my wife doesnt kill me first) with every race/class/sex combo possible. I enjoy the story what can I say, so I weclome giving up my morning coffee for one day for extra enjoyment.

[Romeriez Galenar]

Most of us are complaining the DLC that they've been releasing are too short and contain too little new items/areas ect and seem to be more of a cash grab/nickle and diming operation. I don't believe that anyone really truly believes they'd give their work away for free, but quite a few of us would like to see them release something worth the asking price.



I really don't know for sure..but wouldn't coordinating a bunch of voice actors over and over and over again for 1 liners actually cost more than getting them together and having them voice a DLC that was long enough to actually make use of them?

[Kevin Lynch]

Let's keep this thread to questions about the new "Return to Ostagar" DLC specifically and keep DLC discussions in general to the many threads that have gone on about them.



Thanks.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Benny8484 wrote...

I mean honestly did this subject not even come up with developing this DLC?  Everyone is accusing the main character as a betrayer of king & now we are going to be running around wearing his armor?

Additionally, the re-textured Starfang, Juggernaut helm was a nice touch

Well considering the snow it's heavily implied that the the storyline is written as being further in the future than Lothering, although I suspect it's probably possible to just go straight from there to the DLC content.

[MassEffect762]

Release an EXPANSION that takes seasoned veterans a minimum of 10-15 hours to complete.



Make it post Blight(shortly after) and slap whatever the heck you want to charge and I'll be happy.



I'll pick this one up, though do try to put out a product that has more depth and value please.(you know what we want)

[phordicus]

how about Return to Watcher's Keep. this time let us back in.