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[ToJKa1]

bowlfreak_not wrote...

But i'm guessing that their marketing department has told them to make small releases quickly while interest is still high rather then put in the time it would take to develop a longer more indepth addon .... people's attention goes to other games... they become bored with this one and then don't want to spend any money on it...

marketing... the true evil...

Propably this. I'd expect BioWare to put out more small and cheap single sidequest DLCs' in the near future and later  focus on larger and more expensive ones. This time next year there is hopefully something in the $10-30 cost and lenght range.

Unless Mass Effect happens

[Mechnic]

Centurion00 wrote...

bah, i already got my points ready and waiting we need something until mass effect 2 comes out!!
whats another $5 LOL

but im not sure im going to spend more on this game, getting bored with it already

Hehheh Yeah I got it pre-ordered. Just hope that BW doesn't stop making DLC'c or expansions for DAO. If you look at the map there is so much room for more content.

[Centurion00]

you know would i like to see big expansions yes, am i upset with the current content not really, its fine all in all, besides if you dont like something Bioware is good enough to supply you with a toolset to make your own changes, i have already changed tons of things and the extra contents just adds a little flavor, you cant please everyone thats what the toolset is for make your own goodies and enjoy!
<-------is waiting for Mass 2
ps but i do like the big expansions like in NWN2 and Bioware has never disapointed me there games have always entertained me for many a hour or days or months or years.

Modifié par Centurion00, 31 décembre 2009 - 09:19 .

[gammle]

ohhhhh CANT WAIT......Untill next dlc...even that we havent got this one yet.....Want to se another 200 post's thread.....

[Legion8536]

gammle wrote...

ohhhhh CANT WAIT......Untill next dlc...even that we havent got this one yet.....Want to se another 200 post's thread.....

I think they learned their lesson and will tell the marketing guys to STFU when they want to push for a christmas release again.

[craze9]

VanDraegon wrote...

Osiris49 wrote...
5$ for a dungeon, 1 hour maximum play, a dog and armor king is not too expensive, it is theft.
If we add the lie of BioWare about the decrease in the price and the sell part of the game + DLC instead of the whole game starts to do too much for me to continue to accept that !
We can not complain later if the game quality decreases

I must have missed the part where we are required to purchase this DLC...

Ohhhh but my dear sir you don't get it... no one is saying anyone is required to purchase the DLC. At issue is VALUE: price vs. content. If you read the gentleman's post more carefully you'd realize that he is making an assertion about value that is related to the future of Bioware's product and to the gaming industry in general.

Let's say when Dragon Age was first released the retail price was doubled... $100. That's a lot for a game. Too much, many would say. Some people had been looking forward to the game for YEARS, and the argument could be made the game is worth 100's of hours of playing time, etc., that it isn't actually a BAD value. But while some hardcore gamers may pay that, most would not. The price wouldn't fly because there is an industry standard for what a game "should" cost, and pricing above that is going to come off as unreasonable to a large percentage of gamers.

BUT, the "dowloadable content" market is a relatively NEW one, pricing hasn't been regularized and there aren't easily accepted industry standards. It's all in flux. So the discussion of VALUE, and what gamers consider a decent value for DLC's, is an important one.

The point of the discussion is to influence game developers to set prices that we find reasonable, so that we both win - we get the DLC, which we WANT TO PLAY, and we get an acceptable value. Not buying the DLC may send a message, but it isn't really a victory because we don't get the thing we want, the thing we are discussing, which is the DLC.

Personally I don't know if $5 is unreasonable. I will pay it and find out. But it is important to think about how much value we're actually getting... if $5 = 1 hour of content, then why didn't Dragon Age cost $500? (assuming Dragon Age the game provides 100 hours of content). Alternatively, if Dragon Age cost $50 and provides 100 hours of content, and the DLC provides 1 hour of content, why doesn't the DLC cost 50 cents?

Obviously determining how much content is in a given game isn't a precise science, but the question of value itself is an important one, and "if you don't think it's good value don't buy it" is irrelevant to the discussion.

[Weyr Leader]

I wish that Bioware hadn't said that Return to Ostagar would be released for Christmas it would have been much better if they had held back until the DLC was ready for release. As it is I have looked for information about just when it will be released but perhaps I am looking in the wrong place since I can't seem to find what I am looking for, or am I looking in the wrong place. Has anyone any idea just when this will be released?

[Bagenholt]

craze9 wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

Osiris49 wrote...
5$ for a dungeon, 1 hour maximum play, a dog and armor king is not too expensive, it is theft.
If we add the lie of BioWare about the decrease in the price and the sell part of the game + DLC instead of the whole game starts to do too much for me to continue to accept that !
We can not complain later if the game quality decreases

I must have missed the part where we are required to purchase this DLC...

Ohhhh but my dear sir you don't get it... no one is saying anyone is required to purchase the DLC. At issue is VALUE: price vs. content. If you read the gentleman's post more carefully you'd realize that he is making an assertion about value that is related to the future of Bioware's product and to the gaming industry in general.

Let's say when Dragon Age was first released the retail price was doubled... $100. That's a lot for a game. Too much, many would say. Some people had been looking forward to the game for YEARS, and the argument could be made the game is worth 100's of hours of playing time, etc., that it isn't actually a BAD value. But while some hardcore gamers may pay that, most would not. The price wouldn't fly because there is an industry standard for what a game "should" cost, and pricing above that is going to come off as unreasonable to a large percentage of gamers.

BUT, the "dowloadable content" market is a relatively NEW one, pricing hasn't been regularized and there aren't easily accepted industry standards. It's all in flux. So the discussion of VALUE, and what gamers consider a decent value for DLC's, is an important one.

The point of the discussion is to influence game developers to set prices that we find reasonable, so that we both win - we get the DLC, which we WANT TO PLAY, and we get an acceptable value. Not buying the DLC may send a message, but it isn't really a victory because we don't get the thing we want, the thing we are discussing, which is the DLC.

Personally I don't know if $5 is unreasonable. I will pay it and find out. But it is important to think about how much value we're actually getting... if $5 = 1 hour of content, then why didn't Dragon Age cost $500? (assuming Dragon Age the game provides 100 hours of content). Alternatively, if Dragon Age cost $50 and provides 100 hours of content, and the DLC provides 1 hour of content, why doesn't the DLC cost 50 cents?

Obviously determining how much content is in a given game isn't a precise science, but the question of value itself is an important one, and "if you don't think it's good value don't buy it" is irrelevant to the discussion.

We all know this has nothing to do with value. The bottom line for developers is how much people will pay. Two very different things.

[VanDraegon]

craze9 wrote...

Ohhhh but my dear sir you don't get it... no one is saying anyone is required to purchase the DLC. At issue is VALUE: price vs. content. If you read the gentleman's post more carefully you'd realize that he is making an assertion about value that is related to the future of Bioware's product and to the gaming industry in general.

I get it just fine. I just buy it. All he did was make a bunch of wildly dramatic false statements. Furthermore he went on to prove to us all that he is extremely uninformed about the game.

[Eleinehmm]

At least you can buy it - We can't purchase Bioware points from here.

That is it – EA is officially discriminating people based on the country of residence.

[bucknut07]

First off I'd like to thank Bioware for finally releasing a release date. Secondly for those that say that $5 is to much for an hour of dlc then you have no idea how hard people have to work to create just that 1 hour of dlc. To me the $5 is a great deal for that. Also for those that are saying they want an expansion all I have to say is great things come to those who wait. Even though Bioware has other games coming out( Mass Effect 2, Star Wars The Old Republic) they will still put effort into releasing the stuff that us Dragon Age fans want as long as we buy what we have asked for.

[What a Twist]

Eleinehmm wrote...

At least you can buy it - We can't purchase Bioware points from here.
That is it – EA is officially discriminating people based on the country of residence.

It may have nothing to do with what bioware wants. Some places have very strict laws about buying point online, due to the explosion of online gambling which works the same way.

[MassEffect762]

bowlfreak_not wrote...

But i'm guessing that their marketing department has told them to make small releases quickly while interest is still high rather then put in the time it would take to develop a longer more indepth addon .... people's attention goes to other games... they become bored with this one and then don't want to spend any money on it...

marketing... the true evil...

Nope. It's technology, if it improves so does everything else.

[Kaorunandrak]

Value isn't the only factor as well. You also need to factor the COST in making this DLC as well. People seem to forget or just plain ignore the fact that there are people who have to be paid for their sevices in creating content such as this.



While I'm not saying that Bioware/EA aren't out to make money along with making this content for us and it isn't a factor in how the price their content. If it was the only or main factor in contributing to the price of this/past/or future DLC's then they also could charge for the patches they have/will release for the game or even for the use of the toolset and its patches as well. I myself would willingly pay 30 or more for the use of the toolset which in the hands of modders such as myself can grant 100's of more hours of depth and gameplay to an already fantastic game they have created.



With that in mind them asking for 5 dollars of additional official/cannon and company supported content does not seem outrageous or unfair to me. I mean think about it they have to pay a team of coders, animators, modelers, texture artists, voice actors, publishers, advertisers, alpha/beta testers, quality control testers, ETC. and they have to pay them all as well as make a profit for both companies with 5 dollars. We all know they could ask for much much more.

[Eleinehmm]

Apparently they are not “out to make money” because we are not allowed to pay them.
What  are  we supposed to do? – Humbly ask EA games to accept our pathetic money?

As far as I know online gambling is not an issue here – It is just that they do not care about this particular part of the market. Awful translations with equally awful voice-over, limited purchase options - all are parts of the same trend.
Believe it or not, when they announced that there will be no localized voice-over for Mass Effect 2 the whole discussion thread looked like – “Thanks God It’s about time !”

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 01 janvier 2010 - 12:30 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Value isn't the only factor as well. You also need to factor the COST in making this DLC as well. People seem to forget or just plain ignore the fact that there are people who have to be paid for their sevices in creating content such as this.

While I'm not saying that Bioware/EA aren't out to make money along with making this content for us and it isn't a factor in how the price their content. If it was the only or main factor in contributing to the price of this/past/or future DLC's then they also could charge for the patches they have/will release for the game or even for the use of the toolset and its patches as well. I myself would willingly pay 30 or more for the use of the toolset which in the hands of modders such as myself can grant 100's of more hours of depth and gameplay to an already fantastic game they have created.

With that in mind them asking for 5 dollars of additional official/cannon and company supported content does not seem outrageous or unfair to me. I mean think about it they have to pay a team of coders, animators, modelers, texture artists, voice actors, publishers, advertisers, alpha/beta testers, quality control testers, ETC. and they have to pay them all as well as make a profit for both companies with 5 dollars. We all know they could ask for much much more.

I think the other thing people tend to forget is this isn't a full fledged 40-50 member development team. Its a smaller team dedicated to post release content.

[Bagenholt]

Kaorunandrak wrote...
 they have to pay a team of coders, animators, modelers, texture artists, voice actors, publishers, advertisers, alpha/beta testers, quality control testers, ETC. and they have to pay them all as well as make a profit for both companies with 5 dollars. We all know they could ask for much much more.

Half of those job descriptions are typically done by the same person. and as for the QCT are you for ****ing real? Are you on the same board as me? The amount of people that will end up buying the DLC will far exceed what it took to make it. The main reason DLC is soo popular these days is because it's the one thing people can't pirate on the console. So even if you have a pirate copy of the game you can still purchase the DLC which means if anything the gameing industry will be making up for any money they loose on pirated games.

[cleansingfire83]

Can anyone tell me how long the Sony Certification process is? I've googled it many times, never finding an answer. I'm sure it varies, but an estimate would be nice. Just trying to get an handle on the PS3 version release time frame. Thanks in advance.

[cleansingfire83]

Weyr Leader wrote...

I wish that Bioware hadn't said that Return to Ostagar would be released for Christmas it would have been much better if they had held back until the DLC was ready for release. As it is I have looked for information about just when it will be released but perhaps I am looking in the wrong place since I can't seem to find what I am looking for, or am I looking in the wrong place. Has anyone any idea just when this will be released?

Weyr Leader: The PC and XBOX version will be release on Jan 5th. The PS3 version will be released late, no official release date on it yet because it is still in the Sony certification process. Here is where you can find the most current information: dragonage.bioware.com/addon/rto

[What a Twist]

Rasaziz wrote...

Can anyone tell me how long the Sony Certification process is? I've googled it many times, never finding an answer. I'm sure it varies, but an estimate would be nice. Just trying to get an handle on the PS3 version release time frame. Thanks in advance.

I don't think anyone outside sony knows. You'll probably see RtO around jan 15th-20th, judging by their hostory with this issue.

This is why I don't buy a PS3. <_<


(also known as delaystation)

Modifié par What a Twist, 01 janvier 2010 - 01:38 .

[Mrarmageddon8]

I hope the stats on the King's armor are good. In the mod that adds the set to the game it's pretty weak. I hope that isn't the case.

[chaord nightshade]

If you want to look for a good bar to set for dlc fallout 3 did it real nice. Each one 4-6 hours long for 9.99 well worth the money.

[tallon1982]

PS Licensing...Just reminds me of the kid from The Sandlot....Forever! Forever! lol

[Darpaek]

Alright... where the **** is this stupid expansion? It's officially the New Year. It was supposed to be out before Christmas. I bought your game two months ago. I'm done with it already. I'm tired of it taking up 15 gigs of my HDD. I'd uninstall, but the masochist in me wants to spend half an hour listening to Alistair whine even more...