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[ozenglish]

Maviarab wrote...

Like I said in a previous post, this so called effort can be done in a week.

Go on then, would love to see you try

Obviosuly no idea what is involved in even making an hour long DLC, ignorance is bliss isnt it?

Is waiting to see the fallout from this comment. *grabs popcorn, earl grey tea and a warm blanket.*

Modifié par Torias, 03 janvier 2010 - 12:20 .

[Torias]

I don't think I really need to say it, but american politics is off topic.

[leftEdge]

I LOVE the DLC model. Personally, I'd happily pay £5 a month for episodic DA content. I've not got much else to say on the matter, just wanted to make my mark so BW/EA see that not everyone is in some kind of thrifty time warp where £5 is a significant amount of money, and nobody understands the costs associated with making quality software. Testing cost alone over three platforms (not to mention PC with it's enormous range of hardware configurations) will be pretty high, not to mention dev cost, infrastructure overheads, admin costs, VA, etc.

[dooie vogel]

leftEdge wrote...

I LOVE the DLC model. Personally, I'd happily pay £5 a month for episodic DA content.

If they would do that they probably have to do every month something else. The problem is that to much of the same content (okay small variations in location or a small dialog that is different). At the end of the day killing stuff get`s boring. That is why it take`s so much time and effort (great armor BTW) to make a DLC. Because it is not the same, it take`s time.

[Knal1991]

I have a question, and don't refer me to tech support(immediatly).... as it is a question about RTO,

my game now suddenly says I'm unauthorized to acces the dlc,out of nowhere, already tried the unofficial troubleshooting.... my question is,

I am able to acces the dlc while logged of, does this mean I cannot play RTO together with my previous purchased contents, as it requires you to login and install and download, my other dlc now requires me to log off....

Modifié par Knal1991, 03 janvier 2010 - 12:52 .

[shawn-m]

Dahelia wrote...

Most people would spend 8-12 dollars on a cup of coffee that lasts them 10 minutes...and they complain about a DLC...wow....as for the movies...lol people don't think about that either. It will never stop the petty fighting though.

Did anybody notice that DA:O enemies loose foe-seeking arrows? I mean those little stinkers will follow your every bounce and jiggle. . . I can’t imagine anyone, let alone “most people,” paying $8-12 for a cup of coffee, unless the coffee’s served by topless baristas that also bounce and jiggle.

[ToJKa1]

xka wrote...

I would get dlc, but honestly, i cant pay 6 € for 1 hour game, because if i buy 10 dlc like this, i will have to look at me in  the mirror, and blush and think why the hell i have pay 60 € form 10 hours game..when i paid less for DAO.

And this was my point too. Some years later i can pick up the collection with all the DLCs' for 40 €, while buying all DLCs' as they are released may cost over 100 € (If they indeed deliver on the "2 years of DLC" promise). I like Dragon Age, but i can count.

[dooie vogel]

ToJKa1 wrote...

xka wrote...

I would get dlc, but honestly, i cant pay 6 € for 1 hour game, because if i buy 10 dlc like this, i will have to look at me in  the mirror, and blush and think why the hell i have pay 60 € form 10 hours game..when i paid less for DAO.

And this was my point too. Some years later i can pick up the collection with all the DLCs' for 40 €, while buying all DLCs' as they are released may cost over 100 € (If they indeed deliver on the "2 years of DLC" promise). I like Dragon Age, but i can count.

Than I can count on it that you stop whyning and that youre just not going to buy the DLC?

[ToJKa1]

That too

[bibgar]

I've got no problem with folks who believe, on principal, that five bucks is far too expensive for the DLC. That is their right, the right of any consumer. To buy or not to buy, well they have probably already answered the question for themselves.



That being said, I can only shake my head in wonder at those who argue that $5 is not cheap. If $5 dollars for an hour worth of content is not cheap, then I suggest you turn off the PC and save up on the electricity. $5 dollars is pocket change, and if it isn't because of your personal situation, then you shouldn't have purchased DA:O in the first place.

[Little Paw]

Torias wrote...

Since you're so concerned about costs of production:
1) How many hours of programmer time do you think this took to create.
2) How many hours of voice over actor time to do you think this took to create.
3) How many hours of artist time do you think this took to create.
4) How many hours of writer time do think this took to create.
5) How many hours of programmer and artist time do you think the whole DLC mechanism took to create, and what proportion of that investment needs to be recouped by this particular DLC (that investment has to be recouped over multiple DLCs, since it's so large).
6) How much do you think (on average) a programmer, writer, artist and voice actor gets paid per hour?
7) What percentage Return On Investment is required to make this a profitable and appropriate use of their talented staff.

That gives you the amount of revenue they need to earn in order to justify doing this.

The vast majority of the cost base is "Fixed", the creative costs. That's the same for both full games and DLC.
That fixed cost must be recouped by estimating the number of sales and
setting a price point that will bring in enough revenue to cover the
cost and provide acceptable levels of return on invement.

The final question is how many copies of Return to Ostagar do you guess they will sell at each price point (ie, how elastic is the demand curve). Keep in mind that DLC only sells a fraction of the volume of the main game. That's the reason for the $ per hour discrepency between DLC and full games, full games have a much larger audience and sell a much larger volume of copies.

If every person who bought DAO was absolutely definitely going to buy the DLC, then they could afford to release it at a cheaper price, at a similar dollar per hour ratio. But, that isn't going to happen. What proportion of the DAO customer base do you think will buy this DLC? If 20% of the customer base buy it, that means that the dollar per hour ratio might need to be five times higher than the ratio of the full game.

You bring up exactly what I have been wondering and posting about for weeks. Nothing above is unknown to anyone that understands how game production works.
The real question is: How much more would something sell if it came out when originally specified?
I am not mad, just looking at this from a business perspective. I wll buy the DLC, not even an issue.
Bioware is not the only company to have delays, but one has to admit that the gaming industry is routinely plagued by missing deadlines, many times due to circumstances out of the gaming companies control (which is understood).
This is why my buisness plan would be to have more bullets in the gun at release, especially when kids, and adults are sitting on their fannies at home during holiday break itching to spend money.
Maybe not so much with the DLC coming out on 1/5.
Finance and accounting will most definitely have a few less beans to count with the delay...again, it happens I get it, but it could be prevented going forward by companies having more product in the tank, ready to go like Warden's Keep (which I stated previously was a genius move).

Modifié par Little Paw, 03 janvier 2010 - 03:41 .

[meb2183_1]

so in other words those that paid top amount for pre realse digital deluxe/collectors edition , paid X amount  xtra for ? basicaly to get boned over .thought collectors would have more than just couple items. . yes i know its just $5 , isnt the point of getting the Full pre release "digital deluxe/collectors edition" as it states on the DLC in game, that ya pay xtra now so you can get the lil things later as in ya pre paid for it ? so much for being loyal to bioware thru baldursgate series, icewind dale trilogy, nwn1&2.  guess the greed demon has them . or ea is runnin the show. "shrugs " oh well live and learn ..

[ozenglish]

leftEdge wrote...

I LOVE the DLC model. Personally, I'd happily pay £5 a month for episodic DA content. I've not got much else to say on the matter, just wanted to make my mark so BW/EA see that not everyone is in some kind of thrifty time warp where £5 is a significant amount of money, and nobody understands the costs associated with making quality software. Testing cost alone over three platforms (not to mention PC with it's enormous range of hardware configurations) will be pretty high, not to mention dev cost, infrastructure overheads, admin costs, VA, etc.

Now this is another good suggestion.

[BeljoraDien]

Okay, actual question, which I thought this thread was for. It may have been asked already, but I can't look through 150+ pages of irrelevant nonsense to figure it out, and as the day gets closer I'm sure others are wondering the same thing:

About what time can we expect to have this DLC available? Midnight, at the beginning of the 5th, or maybe in the morning of the 5th, or possibly later?

[Dahelia]

xka wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Most people would spend 8-12 dollars on a cup of coffee that lasts them 10 minutes...and they complain about a DLC...wow....as for the movies...lol people don't think about that either. It will never stop the petty fighting though.

Well, perhaps this is another problem. I never spent 8 $ for a coffe.
But, anyway, apart of the diferences between countries and salaries, my arguments are based in a simple comparation with the original product, with the DAO price.

Pd: in spain a cofee can cost you 1,5-3 €..normally.
pd 2: there is also people who spends 20€ in a 15 year old whisky and drinks it in  20 minutes..i dont know why to compare with a coffe and not with a old good whisky. Lets put the dlc to 20 € with this reason.

Most people go to Starbucks for their coffee...and that runs in America about 8-12 dollars...I just recently bought a bottle of Marsala Wine for cooking and it cost me 9.99....and it lasted less than a day and my sister disliked it. We didn't force her to eat it and she just ate rice which cost about a buck to make...and went on her merry way. I guess you could say it is the same, no one is forcing you to do anything, just like we didn't force my sister to eat something she did not want or like, you don't have to buy the DLC.
We could also get into fast food as well, a meal at McDonalds...depending on what you want from the menu, including the dollar menu could run you about 2-10 bucks...per person, depending on what they want. Such as a large number 2 (Quarter Pounder with Cheese) with fries and a drink costs you about 6+ bucks...you want an apple pie? 2 for 1 dollar...ok....you want a shake instead of a soda, that cost you about 2+ dollars depending on what you are gonna get and how big. How long does this take you to eat? 10 minutes or so..take or give a few minutes or so.
But since you want to compare it to the original product, we will go to food again. I cooked a meal that costs about 10+ bucks to make, takes me 2+ hours to make it....and you eat it in 10 minutes, does that meal still cost you 10 bucks? Heck yes it does, you still ate 10 dollars to the meal, I could charge MORE than what it cost me to make it because of the mere labor of having to put it together and make it. Which is what they are doing, it is not something thrown together like some piece of crap, there are many developers behind it, many voice actors come back to provide their voices again...people don't realize this, just like cooking it takes time to make something and just saying "Oh I am not gonna spend that on this thing that will only last me 10 minutes" what about those people that worked on it? What about me that took me hours to make the meal and took money out of my pocket to make it for you? Kinda selfish if you ask me.

[meb2183_1]

By the way  nwn2 on the back of the box along with obsidian and atari and hasbro and wizards of the west coast. says bioware corp. and sorry no way would i spend $8-$12 on a single cup of coffee. my point was the misleading of the digital deluxe / collectors edition., anyway , why i dont post that often. almost have to put in caps and bold what the heck yr point is .

[Dahelia]

meb2183_1 wrote...

By the way  nwn2 on the back of the box along with obsidian and atari and hasbro and wizards of the west coast. says bioware corp. and sorry no way would i spend $8-$12 on a single cup of coffee. my point was the misleading of the digital deluxe / collectors edition., anyway , why i dont post that often. almost have to put in caps and bold what the heck yr point is .

I hate coffee..but there is a Starbucks at my mall and those are their prices and my parents have been to Starbucks and those are the prices...and sadly Starbucks has a huge line, so there are a lot of people spending that much.

[Loerwyn]

meb2183_1 wrote...

so in other words those that paid top amount for pre realse digital deluxe/collectors edition , paid X amount  xtra for ? basicaly to get boned over .thought collectors would have more than just couple items. . yes i know its just $5 , isnt the point of getting the Full pre release "digital deluxe/collectors edition" as it states on the DLC in game, that ya pay xtra now so you can get the lil things later as in ya pre paid for it ? so much for being loyal to bioware thru baldursgate series, icewind dale trilogy, nwn1&2.  guess the greed demon has them . or ea is runnin the show. "shrugs " oh well live and learn ..

NWN2 wasn't technically BioWare. They'd have had oversight, but that's it. Icewind Dale was Interplay, not BioWare.

And no, we didn't get "boned over". It was clear from the start that we'd have to pay for any post-release DLC (e.g. RtO), as what our £30+ got us was the first two sets of DLC (Warden's Keep, Stone Prisoner) for effectively free, along with some other little extras. I own the Digital Deluxe version, and I'm happy to pay for the extra content.

The only Deluxe/Collector's Edition that I've seen that offers extra content after release is Mass Effect 2, and I doubt it's referring to the DLC that's going to arrive.

[MacMurphy]

[Dargar21]

So any word on when this will become active on the 5th? like around 3:00pm EST?