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Rob Bartel wrote. . .

. . .I suspect it would take a typical first-time player about an hour to complete.


Wow.

At this cost per hour, the original game would've retailed for something like $300.

Three. Hundred. Dollars.

I suspect that this business model is here to stay, but I must say that I find it--and these exorbitant rates--very off-putting.  Of course, EA/Bioware are free to pursue any model that they believe profitable, but here's one cost to consider (even if it's a small one):

You have just lost a customer for additional content.  And if this model is to be used for subsequent EA/Bioware games, you've also lost a customer for any future game purchases.

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Not worth it. I'll wait till the bundle of dlcs will end up on a disc in a store near by to play them all at once.

Atleast then I will get something out of it.

I rather eat a big and healthy meal than a bunch of snacks.

The dlc faze will last a long time. It is a good way to make more money with less content. Seemingly as EA has money problems, it is a good solution, for them. 

Looking forward to the player created content.

Modifié par Oeacle, 21 novembre 2009 - 01:57 .


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Will there be a gift item from Duncan that we can give to Alistair, so that he stops whinning about having nothing to remember him by? I would really like that! That alone to me would be worth $5

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duncan shield is in denerim

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Bercilak de Hautdesert wrote...

Rob Bartel wrote. . .

. . .I suspect it would take a typical first-time player about an hour to complete.


Wow.

At this cost per hour, the original game would've retailed for something like $300.

Three. Hundred. Dollars.

I suspect that this business model is here to stay, but I must say that I find it--and these exorbitant rates--very off-putting.  Of course, EA/Bioware are free to pursue any model that they believe profitable, but here's one cost to consider (even if it's a small one):

You have just lost a customer for additional content.  And if this model is to be used for subsequent EA/Bioware games, you've also lost a customer for any future game purchases.



It probably should have cost $300. It is so easy for people to get all bent out of shape about $5. I studied computer animation and software design....did you not see the the end credits list? Do you realize how many all nighters and hours they put into making this game for us? Show a little respect! $5 is not even an eighth of what it cost Bioware to make a whole new addition. So can it.

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This game was the best of its type within the past few years, I'll easily say that NWN/NWN2 and similar crpgs since 2000 have basically been sort of a letdown in the wake of Planescape:Torment and BG/BG2, Dragon age blew 'em all way, and $5 is a way cheap price to pay to get even an hour more enjoyment out of the game. (Suggestion? Quit whining and go play the game instead, way more productive use of your time, that you will *never* get back.)

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maybe but BG2 was better and not a little if you ask me

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NarcissaArtois wrote...
It probably should have cost $300. It is so easy for people to get all bent out of shape about $5. I studied computer animation and software design....did you not see the the end credits list? Do you realize how many all nighters and hours they put into making this game for us? Show a little respect! $5 is not even an eighth of what it cost Bioware to make a whole new addition. So can it.


You studied it? What does that mean? You want a cookie for being a dilettante?

I have been a working software developer for 14 years. That doesn't mean I roll over for and buy any poor value software product pushed by marketing  suits from another company because they happen to employ other software developers.

There is something more important going on here that we should be rebelling against. They have dropped the ball on delivering value. BIG TIME!

They are pushing low value, easy money work here and if this succeeds this will be the only kind of "expansions" we will see. Worse than that it appears that all this fluff is a thinly disguised item sales.

Build a game with a tight internal economy, then user can buy high stat items for cold hard cash. Pure fromage.

Furthemore, all these easy money, item sale DLCs, don't amount to a hill of beans. You buy ten DLC and you have ten disjoint bits of fluff dumping items on you, you don't have a cohesive expansion to the story.

Pointless ripoff fluff hawking items.

Modifié par Lowlander, 21 novembre 2009 - 03:10 .


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This thread is for questions about "Return to Ostagar", not for DLC debate. Take it elsewhere.

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These "I pay as much for my lunch" posts do baffle me a little. There are many responces to that I can think of (ie, food is essential to live, single-player gaming is not traditionally a "pay by the hour" hobby, etc.) but I can't bring myself to indulge in drawn out message board arguments.

I love this game very much but if it could really take as short as 30 or so minutes (notice he said 1 hour for a FIRST TIME player) then I think I will pass.

It isn't that $5 is "spare change" but that the way things are going we'll be paying something like $150 for the "Dragon Age: Origins experience" by the time the entire DLC is out. I would gladly pay $20 to $30 for a 10-20 hour expansion though.

To stay on-topic, will we actually go on to the battle field and see the carnage?

Modifié par StuartMarshall, 21 novembre 2009 - 03:26 .


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I loved dragon age and think it's the rpg of the decade...some minor glitches like random low res texture but i hope in a future patch.

Talking about return to ostagar i have to say that probably i'll not buy it cause it's too short.

I have bought warden's keep and played it loading my last save at level 19.

I have finished it in less than 1 hour. no running no cheating.

It return to ostagar i shorter than this i'll definitely not buy it.


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I'm buying it when it comes out. I think that the retail game was a real bargain, so I have no problem shelling out a few bucks per AddOn while we wait for the next full campaign.

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hey will you include King Maric's Blade again? or will that just come up in a random update?

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It really surprises me that people expect an hours entertainment playing a computer game they really like for only $1. For story driven content i really dont expect we will ever see anything less than $5. IMO, it is a stupidly small amount of money not worth the frothing that some of you are worked into. I dont expect to get any kind of entertainment for less than five dollars, no matter what it is. There has to be a baseline point where devs are gonna start price wise for new story content and $5 it is, which is fine. There are bare minimums in life when it comes to purchasing anothers work. I have them in my line of work and some people are shocked when they hear them. That is fine, dont like it, go do the work yourself. Some are capable, most are not and the final result shows it.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:18 .


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WoW cost 15 bucks a month to play and offer a lot of more game time for 5 bucks.... I do love the DA storyline but I completed the game and did not like the ending one bit to tell you the true I kinda did feel like it was a worst ending them Fallout 3 and I did read all over the form and there is no way to make this not happen in the end... Please stop making this junk DLC for loot things (Like I did not care anything about the loot) and thing that the Ostagar storyline was well close in the game! Give us stuff that happened after the ending! Give us something that follow up the game storyline you know what or who I am talking about... Give us what we want do not give the in between stuff!

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I thought Wardens Keep was great and for $5 - $7 so what for an hour or 2 of playing.

It $1.00 to play a video game at an arcade for 2 minutes. I hope I am not giving away my age when I say I could play Galaga, Defender and Robotron for an hour for 25 cents!

$5 - $7 for a Tier 1 game where you already have a party is a steal IMO.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Rob Bartel wrote...
I suspect it would take a typical first-time player about an hour to complete.


There will be outrage.

Not from me, but from all the people that thought Wardens Keep was a rip-off and whatnot.



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If I'd want awsome loot, I'd just create my own or dl the player created loot.

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When the modding community gets going Bio are going to have to review the DLC strategy anyhow - like an XP for example.



My big question about this XP is --- how does it fit into my game? Is it best as a bit of a new playthrough... would I really go there at level 20+ in the run-up to the final battle (no)? What do this small extra areas actually mean in the context of any narrative?



Or is it _just_ a revenue harvesting thing?

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Filton_Kingswood wrote...

When the modding community gets going Bio are going to have to review the DLC strategy anyhow - like an XP for example.

My big question about this XP is --- how does it fit into my game? Is it best as a bit of a new playthrough... would I really go there at level 20+ in the run-up to the final battle (no)? What do this small extra areas actually mean in the context of any narrative?

Or is it _just_ a revenue harvesting thing?


Bioware has little to be worried about regarding the mod community and their DLC structuring. 95% of user made content is crap. As for your questions, Rob answered those questions earlier in the thread. Go have a read.

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^ thanks, now go and patronise someone else.

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VanDraegon wrote...


95% of user made content is crap.


You made me chuckle. From my experience, user created content is what kept many games alive.

Nwn is a good example for that.

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Oeacle wrote...
You made me chuckle. From my experience, user created content is what kept many games alive.

Nwn is a good example for that.



Well, at least i was good for a laugh.

I played a lot of NWN, both I & II. Frankly, i found most of the user made content boring. There were a few gems, obviously, but frankly i had to weed through a lok of junk to get to em. Most certainly the user created stuff keeps games alive for a nice long life span which is always a good thing. A couple hours playing some lousy NWN user made content is certainly better that a whole lot of things i should be doing instead.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 21 novembre 2009 - 05:25 .


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xMugen wrote...

duncan shield is in denerim



Where in Denerim can I find it?

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I find it odd that people are comparing the price of DLC to the cost of the game (in a dollars per minute fashion). Dragon Age is a very long game, and certainly not the industry standard. It also has extremely high replay value, so the original game is unusually good value for the money. It's definitely worth more than $50-$60, but that's just what new games go for.



Remember Heavenly Sword? The Ostagar DLC will actually be cheaper than HS per hour, and probably isn't much more expensive than the video game average.



I was mad about Warden's Keep because it is $7 AND it was released at the same time as the full game (which just feels a bit insulting to the consumer). I feel like anything developed before game release should be part of the game release!



I wish that Ostagar was a bit longer for $5 too, but I don't want Bioware to start making DLC mindlessly longer just to appease people. I will definitely buy it, especially b/c of my obsession with Alistair, and don't think the cost is unreasonable, particularly if there is well-developed story included.



Also, please stop comparing video games to coffee and food, particularly fast food! I don't see how highly-processed, low-grade, carcinogenic, diabetes-causing (yet delicious!) dollar-saving combos are relevant :P




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Why i can't find it from the DLC area of the game's main menù?

i want to download it, but it's simply not there...