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[eternalnightmare13]

Rexxean wrote...

Rob Bartel wrote...

Sorry, no waffles but there will be some voicework, including from the followers. We put a particular focus on the various followers who were also present at the battle.

As for precisely when it will come out, we don't have a specific answer to that yet which is why we're being vague. We're still tackling one last optimization issue and then we need to make it through final testing and certification across all three platforms.

Average playtime is always tough to pin down because everyone's mileage will vary (and developers player the game in a very different manner than a typical first-time player). I can do a speed run (skipping through conversations and cutscenes, using a buff party, controlling Dog, avoiding some combats, ignoring loot drops, not looking at the scenery, etc) in about 15-20 minutes. I suspect it would take a typical first-time player about an hour to complete.

About a hour to complete, for a first time player at that ?? Sorry to be negative but that is a joke...I appeciate your honesty and taking time for the community. But you guys need to listen to the ppl if your gonna only make a 1 hour play time DLC majority of us DO NOT WANT IT!

AMEN

[Wild Maiden]

Rexxean wrote...
About a hour to complete, for a first time player at that ?? Sorry to be negative but that is a joke...I appeciate your honesty and taking time for the community. But you guys need to listen to the ppl if your gonna only make a 1 hour play time DLC majority of us DO NOT WANT IT!

The problem is a majority of us still bought it...

[skuld1]

Rexxean wrote...

About a hour to complete, for a first time player at that ?? Sorry to be negative but that is a joke...I appeciate your honesty and taking time for the community. But you guys need to listen to the ppl if your gonna only make a 1 hour play time DLC majority of us DO NOT WANT IT!

They may very well be listening to the people...  only Bioware/EA knows how the DLC is performing.

In general, active forum posters greatly overestimate their "importance/influence" when it comes to certain things.  I remember just recently all the old school Fallout fans that guaranteed that Fallout 3 was DOOMED!!  DOOOMED!! and would fail miserably unless Bethesda made the game just the way they wanted it... we all see how that worked out. 

Now I'm not saying that the naysayers here should shut up and leave... not at all.  Just keep in mind that 1) you may very well be in the minority w/ your viewpoint and 2) one person repeating the same complaint 100 times does not = 100 complaints

[Kail Ashton]

skuld1 wrote...

Rexxean wrote...

About a hour to complete, for a first time player at that ?? Sorry to be negative but that is a joke...I appeciate your honesty and taking time for the community. But you guys need to listen to the ppl if your gonna only make a 1 hour play time DLC majority of us DO NOT WANT IT!

They may very well be listening to the people...  only Bioware/EA knows how the DLC is performing.

In general, active forum posters greatly overestimate their "importance/influence" when it comes to certain things.  I remember just recently all the old school Fallout fans that guaranteed that Fallout 3 was DOOMED!!  DOOOMED!! and would fail miserably unless Bethesda made the game just the way they wanted it... we all see how that worked out. 

Now I'm not saying that the naysayers here should shut up and leave... not at all.  Just keep in mind that 1) you may very well be in the minority w/ your viewpoint and 2) one person repeating the same complaint 100 times does not = 100 complaints

Ahhhh yes the fallout 1 & 2 crowd, always an excellent example of why not to listen to fans

Lets face it, for $5 all of you or your parents will be buying this DLC and evvvveeerrrry other DLC that comes out after it, we know you will, they know you will so if anyone wants to hop on their little soap box and preach to interweb forum masses go ahead & then go come back here to complain more like you know you need to do bout everything else

Of course there's that few percantage of you who really are willing to tear your noses off to spite your faces and simply won't waste the lunch money out of missguided sense to impress a buncha people you don't know over the internet, so er hyeah, good luck with that

[Dagorgil]

From Epilogue save?!? My Human Rogue will be wearing Duncan's leet armor?!? My Elven Warrior will be wearing Cailen's armor?!? My Mage will still be dead?!?



I can live with 2 out of those 3....

[Trajan60]

It seems to me most of the complaints on this thread are from people who like the idea of DLC but don't like the idea of having to pay for it. Regardless of your views, there are development costs to new content developed for a game already released. If you think Bioware shouldn't charge for it because you already paid to buy the game then you really have no understanding how businesses work.



As for the digital salesman in your party camp telling you about Wardens Keep, I think we can all agree it is a little tacky. However, no one is forcing you to buy it. If you bought the game and don't think DLC is worth it and never buy it, more power to you. The rest us will enjoy it. Myself, I'll be counting down the days until I can go back to Ostagar.

[Leonhartx]

jeez , please work on a release date...

[dinodr_neil]

rumination888 wrote...

Wild Maiden wrote...

rumination888 wrote...
Besides, most of the "bugs" in the non-hard drive games he listed wern't even bugs brought on by the developers. They were either intentional(the invisible sprite in Final Fantasy) or people tampered with the rom(there were numerous SFII modifications out there). And no, bad translation isnt a "bug" so making Zero Wing an example is what made his post even more absurd in the first place.

Ok, this is the last time I'll waste my time responding to this moron.  First of all, the invisible lady was not intentional.  I'm not talking about hacked roms with SFII, I'm talking about the actual SNES retial United States version I had as a kid.  A bad translation is a mistake we would all expect to be corrected.  I never called it a bug...

The undeniable truth is that there WAS a time when games did not have patches, despite what you might want to believe.  We live in an era where it is possible to get patches, and we should be grateful for that. To claim that there was never a time where games did not have patches, then try to defend that position after being proven wrong, is so ignorant I don't even know how to respond, so I won't anymore.

The ability to distribute patches if only worth anything if developers actually patch their game... We're still waiting Bioware.

We're talking about a PC game and you bring up console and arcade games as examples?
I even gave you 2 examples of PC games that are nearly 2 decades old that have patches in my previous post.
...and yet you call me a moron?
/facepalm

You are still defending an undefendable position.  There was infact a time in history when there was no such thing as a patch for any game PC or otherwise.  Prior to the internet there was no cost effective means of distributing a patch so game developers did not make one.  Yes, there have been patches since nearly the beginning of the internet, but the fact is that there was infact a time when that was not the case.  For example, was there ever a patch for John Elways Football, Tongue of the Fatman, Centurion Defender of Rome just a small selection of games I played on the PC with a 5 1/4 floppy disk that all had different bugs that could never be fixed because there was no such thing as a patch.  To state that there has never been a time when a patch did not exist is very nieve to say the least. 

Modifié par dinodr_neil, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:39 .

[Sunwind01]

I'm sorry, are you arguing that we should be thankful that games in this day and age even get patched because years and years ago they couldn't be? I don't really see your point.

[Rexxean]

Trajan60 wrote...

It seems to me most of the complaints on this thread are from people who like the idea of DLC but don't like the idea of having to pay for it. Regardless of your views, there are development costs to new content developed for a game already released. If you think Bioware shouldn't charge for it because you already paid to buy the game then you really have no understanding how businesses work.

As for the digital salesman in your party camp telling you about Wardens Keep, I think we can all agree it is a little tacky. However, no one is forcing you to buy it. If you bought the game and don't think DLC is worth it and never buy it, more power to you. The rest us will enjoy it. Myself, I'll be counting down the days until I can go back to Ostagar.

Your missing the point it not about getting something for FREE it is about value of content vs. price. or even time of going though the content. Come'om most of us here are adults and dont give flaying F about 5 dollars,. THIS IS BASED ON PRINCIPLE . For that price more content should be included then a experinced player 30 mins on content.,.Id  buy a 29..99 full blow exp pack is avalible tomorrow it has nothing to do with money, ppl that are complaining about DLC are complaing the DLC is weak for the value ..GET IT STRAIGHT they are not poor i want everything for free kids.

[Wild Maiden]

skuld1 wrote...
They may very well be listening to the people...  only Bioware/EA knows how the DLC is performing.

They've announced that the DLC alone has already made them over a million dollars.

[Trajan60]

Rexxean wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

It seems to me most of the complaints on this thread are from people who like the idea of DLC but don't like the idea of having to pay for it. Regardless of your views, there are development costs to new content developed for a game already released. If you think Bioware shouldn't charge for it because you already paid to buy the game then you really have no understanding how businesses work.

As for the digital salesman in your party camp telling you about Wardens Keep, I think we can all agree it is a little tacky. However, no one is forcing you to buy it. If you bought the game and don't think DLC is worth it and never buy it, more power to you. The rest us will enjoy it. Myself, I'll be counting down the days until I can go back to Ostagar.

Your missing the point it not about getting something for FREE it is about value of content vs. price. or even time of going though the content. Come'om most of us here are adults and dont give flaying F about 5 dollars,. THIS IS BASED ON PRINCIPLE . For that price more content should be included then a experinced player 30 mins on content.,.Id  buy a 29..99 full blow exp pack is avalible tomorrow it has nothing to do with money, ppl that are complaining about DLC are complaing the DLC is weak for the value ..GET IT STRAIGHT they are not poor i want everything for free kids.

From Gabochido of Bioware in another thread:

"As a developer of DA:O, I'm very proud of our work and it saddens me to read that some people believe that weeks of a full team (plus external companies for translations and voice overs, among other things) of work
are not worth $7 or even $5 dollars."

That essentially flushes your argument down the toilet. I don't think $5 is asking too much considering the work that goes into just 1 hour of content as the Bioware dev stated. It's a lot more than you probably realize.

Modifié par Trajan60, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:27 .

[Elthraim]

This thread is massively saturated as it is, but one point I keep seeing as I scroll through is the "DLC vs. Traditional Expansion" question. I think it should be noted that Dragon Age: Origins was released in early November 2009. We are still in November 2009. Bioware made an expansive game that, despite clocking in at 60-100 gameplay hours, is so immersive and enjoyable that many of you have burned through it 3 or more times, already. So, regardless of our pre-release enthusiasm and post-release frenzy, we may have to accept the reality that any traditional expansion is likely a year or more off. So, with that in mind, the DLC may be more expensive or shorter than some of us prefer, but it will be the only additional content we will see any time soon. For those of us that want more now, this is our only option (unless the modding community is already producing viable add-ons).

[Trajan60]

Elthraim wrote...
For those of us that want more now, this is our only option (unless the modding community is already producing viable add-ons).

I don't consider cheats (that's really all the mod community is making) valuable add-ons. I do like the DLC on the way, though.

[Baalzie]

Trajan60 wrote...

I don't consider cheats (that's really all the mod community is making) valuable add-ons. I do like the DLC on the way, though.

No, that's all that You have SEEN maybe, if they ARE making valuable addons, they won't be done in a week will they?
Damn that was a stupid comment imo...

And about dlc's, never forget they aren't forcing You to buy it, and they WILL release an expansion in the end, just don't buy the dlc's then!
I sure will, it IS worth $5 for an hour of fun... Damn a movieticket here costs atleast $9 and gives me 1h30m of onetime fun at a set time...  

So stop sayin "The majority don't want them if they are so short" since that's a major lie...
Say that YOU don't want it, sure... Then don't buy it either, just wait for the "real" expansion in a year or so... I'm gonna have fun during that time with my dlc's though...

I have to work 15 minutes to earn that money and I get 60*and more actually* minutes of fun from it... It's a given to me...

[koval]

Trajan60 wrote...

Rexxean wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

It seems to me most of the complaints on this thread are from people who like the idea of DLC but don't like the idea of having to pay for it. Regardless of your views, there are development costs to new content developed for a game already released. If you think Bioware shouldn't charge for it because you already paid to buy the game then you really have no understanding how businesses work.

As for the digital salesman in your party camp telling you about Wardens Keep, I think we can all agree it is a little tacky. However, no one is forcing you to buy it. If you bought the game and don't think DLC is worth it and never buy it, more power to you. The rest us will enjoy it. Myself, I'll be counting down the days until I can go back to Ostagar.

Your missing the point it not about getting something for FREE it is about value of content vs. price. or even time of going though the content. Come'om most of us here are adults and dont give flaying F about 5 dollars,. THIS IS BASED ON PRINCIPLE . For that price more content should be included then a experinced player 30 mins on content.,.Id  buy a 29..99 full blow exp pack is avalible tomorrow it has nothing to do with money, ppl that are complaining about DLC are complaing the DLC is weak for the value ..GET IT STRAIGHT they are not poor i want everything for free kids.

From Gabochido of Bioware in another thread:

"As a developer of DA:O, I'm very proud of our work and it saddens me to read that some people believe that weeks of a full team (plus external companies for translations and voice overs, among other things) of work
are not worth $7 or even $5 dollars."

That essentially flushes your argument down the toilet. I don't think $5 is asking too much considering the work that goes into just 1 hour of content as the Bioware dev stated. It's a lot more than you probably realize.

I'm calling BS on BioWare based on this quote and the sympathy and 'poor us' this seems to attempt to solicit from their customers.

I understand that it's a business and BioWare is now part of a company that has shareholders and all the 'crap' that comes with being a public company, I get it that DLC
is a revenue source that everyone is using, I get it that development
costs are rising but playing the 'we did all this work and you hurt our
feelings because you don't think it's worth what we are asking' card
bothers me. If BioWare
and most other game companies want to remind us over and over that this
is a business then they should not act shocked our hurt when we treat
them like a business and complain when we don't think what they are
selling is worth what they are asking.

The last number I heard on 11/13/09 was that BioWare had sold over a million dollars of DLC
(this I would venture was from WC almost exclusively as the other came
in all new games), if it is costing anywhere close to a million dollars
to develop something like WC I would be amazed. If they expect to make
even half that on this new DLC
they should have a huge profit margin. Developing 60 minutes of content
should come in well south of half a million, once again if it costs
anywhere near that I would be shocked. 

Look I've been a BioWare loyalist for years, I bought a 360 to play ME, I upgraded my PC to play DAO so I'm not a hater. I loved DAO
and have put in over 100 hours and got way more than my moneys worth
but this quote shot right through me. I will not be purchasing any of
the DLC
but not for the cost, I have no desire to buy content for a game that
I'm done playing unless it continues the story and the way the DLC is going and the fact that this game has a hard end that does not seem to be something they can or will make.  

[Wild Maiden]

It took them "weeks" to make it according that quote, yet we know they made over $1,000,000 already on the DLC alone. I know it's all about making money, and I'm not upset about that, but they could have put more than a couple of weeks into it if their raking in millions, or they could have sold it cheaper.



I think even the people who claim to have enjoyed Warden's Keep and felt it was well worth the money know deep down inside they got ripped off...

[immortallogic]

lol@ whiners I'm sad at all the Q_Q going on right now I dont understand how people are this riled up about 5 dollars..and im sorry but some of you dlc haters have no idea how a business works you dont have enough information to demand how much a dlc costs this is not a + b + ? = profit. you do understand this is like picketing a guess outlet because you thing thier shirts should be 3 dollars less right? please save your fingers and your time and take your complaints elsewhere

[Steve236]

Why dont you guy at Bioware fix the DLC problem before trying to sell us more stuff

[Stormibrooke]

I've waited a very long time for a game this good to come around. I am not at all surprised that it's come from my favorite game developers. I will buy this and likely every DLC and expansion they release. Why? Because I really enjoy this game, and I for one want to support the people who worked so hard to make a game this damn fantastic. You want people to keep working on something you enjoy? Guess what, they don't work for free. You don't think it's worth it, don't buy it. But they have my money, and I gladly give it.

Modifié par Stormibrooke, 23 novembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[Vampyra666]

Hello people, and please excuse me in advance in case this one was already asked, but it surely was not answered cause i skipped through every one of Rob's answers and i am still wondering..

So, this DLC addon is placed in the time frame between the final battle and the epilogue, correct? So, we will have to re-do the ending so nothing really changes. This was very disappointing, cause i, personally, was not satisfied at all by the game's ending. 

*** SPOILERS***




I played a female noble rogue, romantically involved with Alistair, and supposedly, had the best possible ending where i became Queen. However,  i was expecting much more info about what happened afterwards (and of course im not saying about the bastard child Alistair had with Morrigan, i realise this is supposed to be a future release) but my main concern is: is it possible for us to finally KNOW what happened? Is it going to be relevant to our different endings? Can there be an expansion that will solve our questions, and can it be different for every one of us depending on the way our game ended? I am very disappointed also with the ending sequence. This was hardly satisfying after all these hours of gameplay, after such perfect work with cinematics and all, why have such a poor ending? I realise it's much easier for so many different endings to just offer a few boxed dialogues that describes the future, but that was NOT satisfying. I have so many unanswered questions, and the point is , tha game's target was -among others- to relate you with the PC in a way that you would feel attached to your companions, live into the story. And it does that for sure! So, the least we are expecting from such a game's ending, would be some decent closure. This one hardly has any closure at all. Is it possible to know what happens next? Im not sure if that would be possible, considering the different endings.  

I was hoping that Return to Ostagar would be an "expansion". I would get some answers.  It frustrates me that it only adds a short time before the epilogue. So, nothing really changes. Of course i think the price is just right, i dont even mind about the 15 minutes gameplay, as long as i got some answers. Can i even hope for future answers? Is there a chance i will "continue" my story? With my main character? See how the story with Alistair evolves? Or else i feel like all my efforts for a decent ending have gone to waste.  

[Vampyra666]

--edit --
Oups, sorry for double posting.

Modifié par Vampyra666, 23 novembre 2009 - 09:21 .

[Selvec_Darkon]

To be honest, 1 hour DLC which you pay for is kinda the equilvent of Horse Armor. It's pretty lacking honestly. Would rather see the DLC held off to next year and increased to include much more content. Don't let the lessons learnt from NWN's Preminum Modules go to waste.

However, that post made seem's kinda odd. Perhaps it is meant that if a new player did a speed play through, like the Bioware designers do, it would take them an hour to beat. Obviously because the bioware designers have a more indepth understanding of combat and such, and thus are likely to be able to rush through area's much faster.

Modifié par Selvec_Darkon, 23 novembre 2009 - 10:09 .

[Rexxean]

Trajan60 wrote...

Rexxean wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

It seems to me most of the complaints on this thread are from people who like the idea of DLC but don't like the idea of having to pay for it. Regardless of your views, there are development costs to new content developed for a game already released. If you think Bioware shouldn't charge for it because you already paid to buy the game then you really have no understanding how businesses work.

As for the digital salesman in your party camp telling you about Wardens Keep, I think we can all agree it is a little tacky. However, no one is forcing you to buy it. If you bought the game and don't think DLC is worth it and never buy it, more power to you. The rest us will enjoy it. Myself, I'll be counting down the days until I can go back to Ostagar.

Your missing the point it not about getting something for FREE it is about value of content vs. price. or even time of going though the content. Come'om most of us here are adults and dont give flaying F about 5 dollars,. THIS IS BASED ON PRINCIPLE . For that price more content should be included then a experinced player 30 mins on content.,.Id  buy a 29..99 full blow exp pack is avalible tomorrow it has nothing to do with money, ppl that are complaining about DLC are complaing the DLC is weak for the value ..GET IT STRAIGHT they are not poor i want everything for free kids.

From Gabochido of Bioware in another thread:

"As a developer of DA:O, I'm very proud of our work and it saddens me to read that some people believe that weeks of a full team (plus external companies for translations and voice overs, among other things) of work
are not worth $7 or even $5 dollars."

That essentially flushes your argument down the toilet. I don't think $5 is asking too much considering the work that goes into just 1 hour of content as the Bioware dev stated. It's a lot more than you probably realize.

Ummm your argument holds no water, 5$ -7$ upon a possible 1.2 million sales on average 50% buy thats is
700,000$ per 1 hour content created  by one team... they not only earning 5$ jezzz