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[Deathstyk85]

double post*

Modifié par Deathstyk85, 23 novembre 2009 - 09:47 .

[Deathstyk85]

a quick summary of this post

no the dlc isnt released yet, you can access the content ingame after the lothering area, or at your epilogue save. the "another chance to get dog" refers to the people who skipped the quest to get the dog and didnt get him. alot of people repeating "5$ for this that terrible rabble rabble nerd rage" with people replying "your just cheap rabble rabble equal amounts of nerd rage"

[Xarkonar]

Bump for duncan's beard and earring !

[LilliesK]

ItmustBeDONE wrote...

Not adding duncan's armor? What the hell? Who gives a **** about what most players use. This isn't some lolfailmmostealingyourcashwhileofferinginferiorproductandsatisfaction. This is a story game built with one player in mind. It makes sense to add his armor just for realism. It would still be there just as the kings, his body was next to the kings when his head was cut in two. The graphics for the armor are already there...

The reason for Duncan's armor to not be available may be due to him not being dead...maybe he's a prisoner of the darkspawn and a future DLC will be going in to the darkspawn stronghold and freeing him.

[Xarkonar]

OOH. i know who the survivor is, Its pick the ELF he was in ostagar only he could have survived!

[ExGym]

Daemonhorde wrote...

I'm waiting for a review... If the DLC is half assed and not the least challenging I'm not wasting my money. I played well into 100 hours and If it's just a repeat, I can live without it.

That said I agree with someone who posted the thing about looking into item balance. Some items are crap pure crap. You waste over a hour on a hard quest only to be rewarded with 1g and some 10% resistance item. Then you have the DLC were you get extremly useful items that you never have to replace.

Take Bergen's honor? Why would you want to replace it on your tank ever? or the staff from wardens? The only flaw this game has to be honest is in the economy and item department. I feel like the ydidn't put the time in to actually make you be able to buy things. Took me forever to get the belt from tower of magi. And If you would have bought recipies etc you would never generate the income to get the,

If they made a economy DLC that rebalanced and reworked some quests I buy it in a instance. The game is way to fun to be broken by stupid small things.

I agree. Or they could make some good drops instead.

[ExGym]

Well i think they should be more creative about DLC. They could been added more stuff to WK like defence of WK or something. Or that u can camp in WK.

[ldonyo]

I'm looking forward to this!

[Red_warning]

I hope this DLC will be longer than Warden's keep. I consider 2 months of waiting for 1 hour of gameplay as torture!

[SithLordExarKun]

Well would you rather spend $5 on some expensive coffee you can down in a few minutes or a DLC which you can essentially replay over and over?

[Wild Maiden]

ExGym wrote...

Well i think they should be more creative about DLC. They could been added more stuff to WK like defence of WK or something. Or that u can camp in WK.

Absolutely.  Expecially since they advertised that second part. as "a base of operations".  I don't particularly consider a merchant standing outside in the cold a "base of operations".  Maybe it's just me...

[Wild Maiden]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Well would you rather spend $5 on some expensive coffee you can down in a few minutes or a DLC which you can essentially replay over and over?

With Warden's Keep you can't really replay it... You can't even go back inside...  Yeah you could make another character and all that, but it's pretty much a one time deal.  Hopefully future DLC will add something that can be repeated somehow, which would increase the amount of "entertainment hours" everybody is so concerned about.  For example, with Warden's Keep they could have the keep periodically be attacked and you have to defend it, each time it could be different somehow... 

Modifié par Wild Maiden, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:18 .

[Rexxean]

Wild Maiden wrote...

It took them "weeks" to make it according that quote, yet we know they made over $1,000,000 already on the DLC alone. I know it's all about making money, and I'm not upset about that, but they could have put more than a couple of weeks into it if their raking in millions, or they could have sold it cheaper.

I think even the people who claim to have enjoyed Warden's Keep and felt it was well worth the money know deep down inside they got ripped off...

Agree100% and with Koval above .
 That the 1million plus  dollars was from prolly Wardens Keep alone as the rest were included in in regular 49.99 version, to get ppl used to using the DLC imho.
 Anyhow Thats 1 million in only a few weeks of release im sure it will grow expontetoally and AS Bioware itself  has said it takes weeks to make there 1 hour DLC on average ... yes well 1 small dedicated team for weeks worth of salery does not cost millions!! they not making  500,000 a year as a graphic and design workers.. comon... don't be fools.  and lower that down to weeks of pay one small dedicared team using a toolset that is already built and they know, there is R@D which is a big cost is done and over basically ..So what is left is just labor hours    , No paying a publisher and boxing cost .i.e. materials. THE DLC servers already bought and paid for etc  you can seee where i'm going I hope..

.  Yes I love bioware and the game but most of you ppl that saying we are whiners are way of fbase, No we just have certain PRINCIPLES...And will not set a precendent of weak 30 min content to salivate every month for and feed em 5-10$ each time.

Now if they came out with a DLC that extened the story fairly substantially and maybe gave us a 5+ hour  nice new story game play, i'm sure Most ppl I.E "whiners" I call then pricneipalist.  <SP> Would have no problem paying 10$-15$ for the DLC and feel it was worth our time ... Just my 2cents...nu pun intended.

[Rexxean]

Trajan60 wrote...

koval wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

Rexxean wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

It seems to me most of the complaints on this thread are from people who like the idea of DLC but don't like the idea of having to pay for it. Regardless of your views, there are development costs to new content developed for a game already released. If you think Bioware shouldn't charge for it because you already paid to buy the game then you really have no understanding how businesses work.

As for the digital salesman in your party camp telling you about Wardens Keep, I think we can all agree it is a little tacky. However, no one is forcing you to buy it. If you bought the game and don't think DLC is worth it and never buy it, more power to you. The rest us will enjoy it. Myself, I'll be counting down the days until I can go back to Ostagar.

Your missing the point it not about getting something for FREE it is about value of content vs. price. or even time of going though the content. Come'om most of us here are adults and dont give flaying F about 5 dollars,. THIS IS BASED ON PRINCIPLE . For that price more content should be included then a experinced player 30 mins on content.,.Id  buy a 29..99 full blow exp pack is avalible tomorrow it has nothing to do with money, ppl that are complaining about DLC are complaing the DLC is weak for the value ..GET IT STRAIGHT they are not poor i want everything for free kids.

From Gabochido of Bioware in another thread:

"As a developer of DA:O, I'm very proud of our work and it saddens me to read that some people believe that weeks of a full team (plus external companies for translations and voice overs, among other things) of work
are not worth $7 or even $5 dollars."

That essentially flushes your argument down the toilet. I don't think $5 is asking too much considering the work that goes into just 1 hour of content as the Bioware dev stated. It's a lot more than you probably realize.

I'm calling BS on BioWare based on this quote and the sympathy and 'poor us' this seems to attempt to solicit from their customers.

I understand that it's a business and BioWare is now part of a company that has shareholders and all the 'crap' that comes with being a public company, I get it that DLC
is a revenue source that everyone is using, I get it that development
costs are rising but playing the 'we did all this work and you hurt our
feelings because you don't think it's worth what we are asking' card
bothers me. If BioWare
and most other game companies want to remind us over and over that this
is a business then they should not act shocked our hurt when we treat
them like a business and complain when we don't think what they are
selling is worth what they are asking.

The last number I heard on 11/13/09 was that BioWare had sold over a million dollars of DLC
(this I would venture was from WC almost exclusively as the other came
in all new games), if it is costing anywhere close to a million dollars
to develop something like WC I would be amazed. If they expect to make
even half that on this new DLC
they should have a huge profit margin. Developing 60 minutes of content
should come in well south of half a million, once again if it costs
anywhere near that I would be shocked. 

Look I've been a BioWare loyalist for years, I bought a 360 to play ME, I upgraded my PC to play DAO so I'm not a hater. I loved DAO
and have put in over 100 hours and got way more than my moneys worth
but this quote shot right through me. I will not be purchasing any of
the DLC
but not for the cost, I have no desire to buy content for a game that
I'm done playing unless it continues the story and the way the DLC is going and the fact that this game has a hard end that does not seem to be something they can or will make.  

Then don't buy the damn DLC and save us from these whiney posts. No one cares how much you loved Bioware or how many times you played through Baldur's Gate or how much you liked Dragon Age. You guys just sound like tightwads.

As stated before it's not about the the money /sigh some people are to thick to get though to... and just calling a opposing view whiners shows your imaturity.

[Cream_Poof]

The funny thing about all these whiney posts is that you just know the whiners are probably gonna be the first ones to buy DLC when it's available:)

[Rexxean]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Well would you rather spend $5 on some expensive coffee you can down in a few minutes or a DLC which you can essentially replay over and over?

Also i'm tired of 5$ coffee comparision , If you pay 5$ for a cup of coffee you are a moron, A fiscal moron at that no matter what your income level. Same applies to buying. waiting, ancipating and downloading a 15 min run though if you know what your doing ... It's the same deal think about it. Why are there 5$ coffee cups out there because there is enough morons to buy into.

Same will be with DLC you let bioware get away with low content to value DLC you will always get low content to value.

Also  maybe peple who disagree in any way with a bioware should start  whiners club, Even those of you with bug problems you can fit into the catagory to because if you disagree with something bioware is doing you are a whiner Sir. According to DOA is god ppl crowd we should just kiss the ground that it is availble..No Sir I hold ppl accountable regauldess if they make something i like it does not mean they get a free pass on other actions..


Yes i loved the game and it is a Great value for the money, one the best RPG to date imho, but i don't then just turn my brain off and take anything bioware throws at me.



Anyways this is becoming like beating a dead horse but our choices do matter and will effect the content and outcome of DLC. That a simple fact that cannot be ignored, as long as it is profitable for then which it should be there will be DLC. And to the other side I'm not Anit DLC i bought WK and was dissapionted for $7.48 inc it sucked ..Do a opnion poll on value ..I just hoped that RTO DLC would be the true judging stone DLC content in the future and if 30min is it well DLC for this gamer is pointless.

I'll wait for Mass Effect 2 or The Witcher 2 which is a trully adult RPG. Notation, so adult that even with 17+ rating they had to cut out text and nudity for North American Version of the Witcher 1  but there is the Directiors cut that can be download and applied and restore it to full version on there website. Sorry not a plug for the witcher but RPG in gerneral,, its amazing how ppl say DOA is so graphic, The Witcher Enhanced Edition is twice as adult. with Directors patch applied as the game was inteded and it can be bought for 19.99 ..so anyone who is bored and waiting on Mass effect 2 like i am Try that game and apply the patches it definatly was worthy of it's 2007 RPG of the year award./

Modifié par Rexxean, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:25 .

[Deathstyk85]

i drink tea not coffee. and not those girly herbal teas, i like a good strong black tea. one sugar, maybe two depending on my mood. and i get that for about 5$ a box. wich has 30 bags. thats alot of tea.

this has nothing to do with anyones arguments, i just thought id remind rexxean, that not everyone drinks coffee, or expensive coffee, and then uses it as a point in an argument again and again lol.

[Rexxean]

Deathstyk85 wrote...

i drink tea not coffee. and not those girly herbal teas, i like a good strong black tea. one sugar, maybe two depending on my mood. and i get that for about 5$ a box. wich has 30 bags. thats alot of tea.
this has nothing to do with anyones arguments, i just thought id remind rexxean, that not everyone drinks coffee, or expensive coffee, and then uses it as a point in an argument again and again lol.

I agreee 100% Deathsky, but eveyone wants to use the 5$ coffee analogy and maybe a happymeal anlogy.. so thats what i used

Still enjoying DOA .. not a hater, just a realist/

[Thibbledorf26]

There is a lot of false logic being perpetrated on this thread, by some devs and by pro-Bioware posters. I never thought I would use the word pro-Bioware derogotarily, as I love Bioware's products and am a big fan, but not of the DLC.



People are saying that refusing to pay $5 for an expansion is like saying one week of hard work by a dev team is not worth $5. This is nonsense. DA and its DLC's will be sold on a large scale, the devs will be rewarded greatly in terms of monetary compensation. The price per unit does not have to be high to make a lot of money. You can buy a packet of tea bags for a few dollars, that doesn't stop tea manufacturers from making billions. This is because they produce and sell on a large scale.



The second piece of false logic is the $5 cup of coffee nonsense. Different kinds of goods have always been priced differently, pretending that there should be some kind of common price structure is nonsense. DA offered a one dollar an hour ratio of entertainment in the original game, clocking in at about 100 hours. Heavy roleplaying games are expected to have atleast 50 hours worth of content, which is 2 dollars per hour. For a DLC to charge 7-10 dollars an hour is unreasonable for this genre. In comparison to other video game expansions that offer a 20-30 hr experience for 30-40 bucks, it is unreasonable.



You could say that a $5 cup of coffee is consumed almost instantly, and DLC is an hour of entertainment for the same price. But I could compare another kind of product, a book, to show that the DLC is overpriced. A book takes months to years of an author's life to create, and can be purchased for about $15 dollars. Comparing coffee to games is just as ridiculous as comparing books to games, it is apples and oranges. Consumers have set different expectations about price per content depending on the product. That is just the way it is. Besides, coffee is hardly an 'instant' product. Coffee gives you energy that lasts for hours. Purchasing a cup of coffee is often necessary in order to sit in a cafe. You may be socializing with friends or holding a business meeting in that cafe, and the cup of coffee is the price of entry. The social or business contacts gained through your stay at the cafe are definitely worth more than $5. Eating food or drinking beverages outside is hardly just about the product, it is also about the experience. Which is why comparing it to video games, a product consumed by yourself, is ridiculously twisted logic.



I know people here are fans of Bioware, but reinforcing these skewed perspectives like they are the only ones, is just wrong. I love Bioware and DA, it was an excellent game. If people find the DLC reasonable, then buy it. But there are some, like myself, who would like to see more substantial expansions available. We are not wrong, it is a matter of opinion.

[Rexxean]

Perfect summation Thibbledorf26 of the situation and real situation between the oppsing view! Great writeup and logic, summed it up for me...

[oMERCo]

I don't play MMOs because I don't want to pay monthly fees for a game I already purchased. I don't like to pay extra for content that should have already been in a game to start with. I have an XBOX 360 and don't play it because of the highway robbery they get away with. First $60 for games and then all the extras that aren't worth buying.



Don't expect me or many others to keep shelling out any cash for content, especially an hours worth of material. If you do come out with anything new please skip the cut scenes (too bad the game isn't anything near the quality) and all the yammering and stick to combat. Lots and lots of combat. I love me some Unreal Tournament and Battlefield.



I prefer physical media expansion packs (not the Battlefield DRM junk EA put out, or any steam trash) and paying no more than $20 for them, but make them long enough to make it worth our while. I like my $50 PC games and $40 is even better (what I paid for this one).



And and don't get me started on the rip off mobile downloads. An Android G1 is only fed free wares.

[Warpath.ARG]

Can I buy it trought steam? Its the only way I have to buy online (got Deluxe Edition on it)

[MassFrost]

ldonyo wrote...

I'm looking forward to this!

Same. Hope it's released soon.