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[Wild Maiden]

leadds wrote...
how hard are they going to be pumping out the dlc?

Considering that they've already made, literally, millions of dollars off the DLC alone and, according to one of the developers, they only spent "a few weeks" developing Warden's Keep, they would be foolish not to continue cranking out DLC.  The fanboys eat it up and don't seem to care if the quality is low or the price high.  

Even with all the disappointment people expressed regarding Warden's Keep, I bet Return to Ostagar sells well.  It had better be an improvement compared to Warden's Keep though... I don't know how long the average fan will keep bending over.

Klarum wrote...
5$ = one beer at the bar, are people seriously complaining on the price for one extra hour of content? Get your priorities straight. Buy the beer, the game or both but dont troll please.

To put it in perspective, there has been $27 "worth" of DLC released or announced already.  If they were offering The Stone Prisoner, Warden's Keep, and Return to Ostagar as a "bundle" for $27 would it be worth it?  Your kind of thinking is exactly what allows developers to successfully nickle-and-dime their fans.  You pay $5 here, $15 there, $7 later and think "wow, this is all pretty cheap!", but if you take a moment to add it up you'll see that it's not all that cheap after all...

Modifié par Wild Maiden, 01 décembre 2009 - 05:29 .

[Thnap]

Seriously guys, I'm looking forward to this piece of DLC as much as everyone else. But bear in mind you're still in the non-spoiler section. I've just had parts of the ending ruined for me. Thanks for that.

[SuSuSudio]

HOW DARE YOU NOT WORK FOR FREE.



Remember your commandments - "All things in this world are finite, What one man gains, another has lost" Considering they write like socialists, BioWare certainly proves they understand capitalism!



Guys, if you want the developers to make quality content, you're going to have to pay them to do it. If you don't think quality is worth the extra cost, that's fine, download something designed by a teenager and play for another hour. $5 is nothing in the scheme of things.



And remember how Microsoft & Sony sold the Xbox & Playstations at a loss for the first couple years? How they knew they wouldn't make squat off the console but it didn't matter because they'd make the real money in games? Look at DA:O as a platform - those DLC buys are where the long-term profits are going to be made, and you bought the platform at a bargain basement price because someone else is going to buy more games than you.

[gammle]

Thnap wrote...

Seriously guys, I'm looking forward to this piece of DLC as much as everyone else. But bear in mind you're still in the non-spoiler section. I've just had parts of the ending ruined for me. Thanks for that.

Yea im looking forward the new DLC to and to start a new game true whit it...relly hope the dlc will be a blast that brings new conversations and more new lore to read and hear storys about.

[Cyrilix2]

SuSuSudio wrote...

HOW DARE YOU NOT WORK FOR FREE.

Remember your commandments - "All things in this world are finite, What one man gains, another has lost" Considering they write like socialists, BioWare certainly proves they understand capitalism!

Guys, if you want the developers to make quality content, you're going to have to pay them to do it. If you don't think quality is worth the extra cost, that's fine, download something designed by a teenager and play for another hour. $5 is nothing in the scheme of things.

And remember how Microsoft & Sony sold the Xbox & Playstations at a loss for the first couple years? How they knew they wouldn't make squat off the console but it didn't matter because they'd make the real money in games? Look at DA:O as a platform - those DLC buys are where the long-term profits are going to be made, and you bought the platform at a bargain basement price because someone else is going to buy more games than you.

Hmm, that's strange. They were somehow able to provide me 60 hours worth of quality content for a fair price. Has something at Bioware changed that I don't know of? Also, it's funny how you say "$5 is nothing in the scheme of things" when it's you that's not looking at the "scheme of things". If they had followed this model for the initial game, this game would've been $300, not $60, and this is exactly the direction that they're going with right now, but you can't seem to see it.

So what you're saying is... the game sold at a loss, and that we must now buy overpriced content in order to cover up for that loss. Well, thanks for letting me know. In that case, I'll be glad to stick with the base game, since I understand the intentions for the rest of DA:O development. (I'm kidding -- you don't even know the game sold at a loss)

Modifié par Cyrilix2, 01 décembre 2009 - 06:54 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Any hints or news as to a specific release date? I suspect it will be out before Christmas so there isn't a whole lot of time left to tell us unless they are so ashamed of this product that they'll hide their heads and pretend to have completely forgotten about and then stop acknowledging it even after its release. Sort of like they did with Pinnacle Station.



Man I hope this turns out better but the devs have abandoned this thread so the topic is all but pointless since it doesn't look like any more questions will be answered.

[q0rra]

Cyrilix2 wrote...
If they had followed this model for the initial game, this game would've been $300, not $60, and this is exactly the direction that they're going with right now, but you can't seem to see it.

But they didn't. Because Dragon Age is a full game and not DLC. Is that so hard to understand?

[Sylvius the Mad]

q0rra wrote...

Cyrilix2 wrote...

If they had followed this model for the initial game, this game would've been $300, not $60, and this is exactly the direction that they're going with right now, but you can't seem to see it.

But they didn't. Because Dragon Age is a full game and not DLC. Is that so hard to understand?

q0rra is correct.

This is exactly the same approach console makers use.  they sell the consoles at a heavily discounted price (often losing money doing it) in order to create a market for their games.  Selling DAO at $60 (and now $40) creates a market for the DLC, which has a higher ROI.

[Nexian1998]

Yea and who doesn't drop $5 on a combo meal a few times a month

It's all good, if you don't want it just don't buy it, no need for flaming



Nexian

[Darth_Trethon]

Nexian1998 wrote...

Yea and who doesn't drop $5 on a combo meal a few times a month
It's all good, if you don't want it just don't buy it, no need for flaming

Nexian

I agree, I'm buying it either way, I just really badly hope they won't deliver complete crap like Pinnacle Station. I'd rather pay 10 or 15 USD if it meant really good quality. I dislike how the devs left and completely abandoned this thread and the DLC is supposed to be out in 3.5 weeks or less.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:16 .

[MassFrost]

Wild Maiden wrote...

leadds wrote...
how hard are they going to be pumping out the dlc?

Considering that they've already made, literally, millions of dollars off the DLC alone and, according to one of the developers, they only spent "a few weeks" developing Warden's Keep, they would be foolish not to continue cranking out DLC.  The fanboys eat it up and don't seem to care if the quality is low or the price high.  

Even with all the disappointment people expressed regarding Warden's Keep, I bet Return to Ostagar sells well.  It had better be an improvement compared to Warden's Keep though... I don't know how long the average fan will keep bending over.

Klarum wrote...
5$ = one beer at the bar, are people seriously complaining on the price for one extra hour of content? Get your priorities straight. Buy the beer, the game or both but dont troll please.

To put it in perspective, there has been $27 "worth" of DLC released or announced already.  If they were offering The Stone Prisoner, Warden's Keep, and Return to Ostagar as a "bundle" for $27 would it be worth it?  Your kind of thinking is exactly what allows developers to successfully nickle-and-dime their fans.  You pay $5 here, $15 there, $7 later and think "wow, this is all pretty cheap!", but if you take a moment to add it up you'll see that it's not all that cheap after all...

If you don't like it, don't purchase it. Seriously, what is difficult about that? 

[Bagenholt]

It's not about being 'difficult'. It's about not being happy with what they churn out for the price and wanting to complain. I think you should hold your tongue for trying to criticize them for that. If no one ever complained this would be a seriously **** industry.

[Proph2525]

Maybe some of the people complaining here should learn about microeconomics. Every product has a value to a person, often called "utils." The desirability of a product varies from person to person, hence for each person the "utils" varies. This value determines how much somebody would be willing to pay for a product, and then market factors of supply/demand determine the MSRP. Unless the demand drastically decreases, the price will remain the same (basically a person dying of thirst would pay a lot more for a bottle of water than an average person).



The point is that people who are comparing the entertainment value of the DLC to things like beer, or movies, are missing the point that the DLC is *not* a beer or a movie, so even though the amount of time spent on the entertainment may be similar the entertainment value is not. Bioware is banking on the fact that the DLC has more utils to most people than a movie outing does. I for one would pay $5 for an extra adventure in DA:O, as that would be far more entertaining for me than going to a movie.

[Reap_ii]

i got five on it

[Boricua9215]

Sheraldan wrote...

Boricua9215 wrote...

Are characters who have already completed the storyline able to explore the new area?

If so, then how is this going to work exactly? For those who died, are there going to be some awesome necro spells being cast?

 Return to Ostagar is before the archdemon is killed.<3

Fantastic.

[Darth_Trethon]

Proph2525 wrote...

Maybe some of the people complaining here should learn about microeconomics. Every product has a value to a person, often called "utils." The desirability of a product varies from person to person, hence for each person the "utils" varies. This value determines how much somebody would be willing to pay for a product, and then market factors of supply/demand determine the MSRP. Unless the demand drastically decreases, the price will remain the same (basically a person dying of thirst would pay a lot more for a bottle of water than an average person).

The point is that people who are comparing the entertainment value of the DLC to things like beer, or movies, are missing the point that the DLC is *not* a beer or a movie, so even though the amount of time spent on the entertainment may be similar the entertainment value is not. Bioware is banking on the fact that the DLC has more utils to most people than a movie outing does. I for one would pay $5 for an extra adventure in DA:O, as that would be far more entertaining for me than going to a movie.

But that's all based on estimates grounded on data gathered about how many people bought the extra DLC and previous choices that people made about such things. They also screwed up badly with Pinnacle Station where the gamer agreement I noticed on the forums was over 90% that is was crap. 

I am happy they are delivering on the promise of DLC but at the same time I am very concerned about screwups like that happening again because somethingof the sort will likely lower the demand for future DAO DLC and threfore no longer justify the development of larger and far more enjoyable DLCs.

Am I complaining? Not really I am just very concerned and I think that concern is quite justified.

[KhanWarbinger]

Given the place, and the story it'll be focused on, will there be any dialogue from characters that are famed (even infamous) for not being in Ostagar... if you catch my drift.



If it can be done after the arch demon/Epilogue, surely it can be done post landsmeet?



Whatever the case I'll be buying this the day it sees light of day, but it'd be nice to know.

[Darth_Trethon]

KhanWarbinger wrote...

Given the place, and the story it'll be focused on, will there be any dialogue from characters that are famed (even infamous) for not being in Ostagar... if you catch my drift.

If it can be done after the arch demon/Epilogue, surely it can be done post landsmeet?

Whatever the case I'll be buying this the day it sees light of day, but it'd be nice to know.

That is a very interesting question.....I allmost forgot about.......**him**.......I hope BioWare remembered him because if they didn't it would be a HUGE lapse that would show carelessness not to mention I'd lose my belief they intend to deliver quality DLC.

[swordai311]

any release date yet? i would love to see this addon

[Wild Maiden]

MassFrost wrote...
If you don't like it, don't purchase it. Seriously, what is difficult about that? 

Oh believe me, if Return to Ostagar is anything like Warden's Keep I won't be purchasing it, but I'm going to make sure Bioware knows why.  I'm a fan of Dragon Age just like everybody else here, and I want to see the game, story, and world expanded too.   That being said,  I'm not thrilled with the way the DLC has been done so far.  I don't really understand the whole "if you don't love every aspect of it then just shut your mouth and don't buy it" mentality... Legitimate criticism should not only be tolerated but also appreciated...

[valis123]

I liked the dlc so far, but yes like most here i'd like them more and more likely buy them if they were longer but I'm certain that Bioware is gonna release longer DLC's and expansions.

[mercwolf]

hello on the DLC of ostagar will he meet the brother ?

[mercwolf]

*we i mean

[mercwolf]

I mean will we me meet the brother

[Wild Maiden]

mercwolf, I'd like to introduce you to two of my friends: Mr. Edit Button and Mrs. Proofreading, meet mercwolf.

edit: wtf are you talking about anyway? The brother? you'll meet the King's corpse...

Modifié par Wild Maiden, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:34 .