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[Reiella]

jsog wrote...

I think a previous poster brings up a good point. If we all want DLC cheaper and longer, we're going to have to make a sacrifice, and the easiest one is probably in voice acting.

I personally am conflicted on that. One of the reasons I love this game is due to the excellent voice acting. Without it, the game would lose quite a bit of luster. But for DLCs? Perhaps it's a sacrifice that I could handle, depending on what it meant to the length of the content (that is, assuming that cost to create DLCs is what holds them back, as opposed to something else).

I don't think that's actually on the table now.  It would have been one thing if there was existing content without voice acting in th game, but adding DLC without voice acting has a far greater cost to the franchise and platform as a whole.  Even if I wouldn't mind it, and others wouldn't, it breaks the mold far too much of what the game presents in terms of consistancy.  Which is ok from third parties, not so much from the original publisher.

As much as DLC opens options, in that regard, it breaks the presentation and cohesion of the product too much I fear.

[aragfore03]

Can you give us a comparison of this to the Wardens Keep DLC? What would you say are the main differences (aside from story) between these two DLC? Is the experience smaller than that of Wardens Keep hence the smaller price tag?

[marshalleck]

Wow.



$5. Come on people. That's lunch, but more entertaining and fewer calories.

[Kalcalan]

How integrated is it going to be? I understand you can't give spoilers but I sure hope that there will be some strong incentive to go back (aside from the loot). After all the Grey Wardens and the king's men all died there I can't see why the protagonist and Alistair would expect to survive a possible encounter with the Darkspawn horde. But I trust that the good people at Bioware have that figured out. ;-)



I've just looked at the screenshots, the king armour looks awfully nice on Alistair.



People are complaining how short the DLCs are. I for one would prefer a regular expansion but DLCs are better than nothing. I like Warden's Keep but what bugs me is not being able to go back inside the keep so I hope we won't run into that sort of things with the new DLC.



Regarding price I can understand that some people think that 5 bucks is too much for an hour of gameplay. The way I see it if it's quality I don't mind spending my hard earned money on DLCs (even short ones).



I enjoyed the back story in Warden's Keep but I seriously resented the way the DLC is advertised in game at the camp. That was one of the worst immersion breaker I've ever run into while playing a CRPG...



Now, if we consider that Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar take roughly 2 hours for the average player to go through it's not that bad for 12 bucks. A regular expansion would certainly be longer but it would also be a lot more expensive so I don't think it's such a bad deal for players.



I for one can't wait to play that new DLC. Keep up the good work!

[TremCenwyth]

Rob Bartel wrote...

But yes, we understand that $5 can be a lot for some people to pay.

Hey Rob,
I'm going to try and be civil with you, even though that last line in your post there really makes you seem like a ****ing ****** who insulates himself from valid criticism by hiding behind strawmen.

I think there are many people like me who dislike DLC as a content delivery system. And no, not because of how it is priced, but for what it actually is. In the good ol' days, expansion packs usually offered around ten hours of gameplay in the form of a cohesive, epic quest line. And it's just not the same thing as releasing ten hours worth of DLC -- they are qualitatively different experiences. Ten hours worth of DLC split up into unrelated mini-quests spaced apart by weeks/months might be good business strategy, but it just isn't very satisfying to me as a gamer. Compared to an expansion pack, it's a pretty shallow gameplay experience. I know you played video games at one point in your life too, Rob, so you should probably understand my point.

So, I only really want one question answered: Do you plan on delivering content through traditional expansion packs IN ADDITION to DLC? If so, then carry on with the DLC, I really don't mind it at all. But if DLC is supposed to REPLACE expansion packs, as it usually ends up doing, then I'm very disappointed because DLC is just a whole different paradigm altogether.

[Moghibian]

How about fixing wardens keep instead of pushing out new DLC's ? giving away false advertising (like with wardens keep ) stating there is a dungeon crawler and new camp will not be forgiven untill its fixed or some refound .. and the fact that im(we) are not geting any answer from support or bioware about the state of wardens keep is an outrage !

I know ill prob burn inn hell for saying this but , scams like this wont work on pc users like they do with console kids . its only 6 euro and not about the money , the fact that many look up to bioware and its products and in return get these non working short  DLC's ...

So please stop making these short money making DLC's , just start with the expansion or fix the previous DLC's  first before pushing out more of em ..

new content is great but make em work and talk to the ones makin the adverts please<calms down> *edit

Modifié par Moghibian, 19 novembre 2009 - 11:42 .

[Valmy]

More sweet sweet RPG drugs being sold by my favorite pusher. I cannot wait for my Ostagar high.

[Swedefist]

I'll probably get this as soon as it comes out but I can see the viewpoint of the people who think it's a ripoff at $5.



Back not that long ago, an expansion pack would come out, would cost between 20 and 30 dollars, and you'd get between 20 and 30 hours of gameplay. If you compare that to 5 dollars for one hour of gameplay, you will be spending 100 to 150 dollars for the same level of content if we keep getting short 5 dollar DLC.



I hope this doesn't become the trend with DA, but it looks like the way it's headed.

[Captain Zaysh]

Five bucks for more DA:O seems like a great deal to me.

[Kalcalan]

Easy guys, no need to be so hostile. I'd prefer an expansion but DLCs aren't that bad especially if they are well integrated (like the Stone Prisoner for instance).

DrudgeRavener5 wrote...

At what point in the game is this DLC available? I mean if you're trying to prove that the Grey Wardens aren't responsible for the king's death don't you think it'd be kind of counterproductive to be prancing around in his equipment?

That is a very good point actually DrudgeRavener5.

[andaryth]

TremCenwyth wrote...

So, I only really want one question answered: Do you plan on delivering content through traditional expansion packs IN ADDITION to DLC? 

I would also like to know the answer to this question.  (Not because I agree with this person's views or tone.)

[DLC On The Disc]

Seems a lot like Mass Effect DLC. I know a lot of people hated it, but I liked it, especially for the price.



So long as you don't pull another Warden's Keep I'll probably keep buying DLC, even though I'm opposed to the salesmen...

[Rylor Tormtor]

Trajan60 wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Rob Bartel wrote...
I suspect it would take a typical first-time player about an hour to complete.

There will be outrage.

Not from me, but from all the people that thought Wardens Keep was a rip-off and whatnot.

Yup. The unanimous feedback from players on Warden's Keep was that it was too short. They're coming back with DLC that is equally short. Not good although it is $2 cheaper.

Unanimous? I do not think this word means what you think. I think Warden's Keep was great and well worth the value.

[Ickabod27]

Frumyfrenzy wrote...

Do your companions recognize Ostagar when you arrive? Do they comment on Ostagar after the battle?

That is a great question!

[Darpaek]

I really appreciate the truthful estimate. However, I would like to voice my opinion that 1 hour of gameplay for 5 dollars is unacceptable. IIRC, that is one-fifth of original ToB's pricetag back in the day. Or for a more modern comparison, that's 5/7's of the price of WK's 3-6 hour overestimated playtime.



At least throw in a bull**** hack'n'slash Deep Roads-style dungeon with a couple of banter triggers and a ton of battles to kill 4 or 5 hours realtime - like one of the caverns that the Blight is pouring out of or something. Like the PC has to "briefly stem the tide" of the Blight to allow access to the battlefield to get the stupid gold armor or something.



Alistair: "There's too many of them down there! We can't get to the king's body! Let's create a distraction!"



Or something...

[Darkest Dreamer]

Ickabod27 wrote...

Frumyfrenzy wrote...

Do your companions recognize Ostagar when you arrive? Do they comment on Ostagar after the battle?

That is a great question!

Rob Bartel wrote...

Sorry, no waffles but there will be some voicework, including from the followers. We put a particular focus on the various followers who were also present at the battle.

Not sure but I think he implied it in that post.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Its not about the money its about what you get for it I may buy it I may not.......I actually am more interested in whether or not the community content will be allowed for free download as In NWN I found the community content to be much better overall than any of the DLC offered both in story line and game time.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Darkest Dreamer wrote...

Pseudo310 wrote...

I paid $5 for lunch at McDonald's and that only lasted fifteen minutes. The price is *fine.*

But that food stays in your system for an entire eight hours while offering life sustaining nutrients!

Nutrients? You and I eat at different McDonald's.

[JensenBakura]

TremCenwyth wrote...

Rob Bartel wrote...

But yes, we understand that $5 can be a lot for some people to pay.

Hey Rob,
I'm going to try and be civil with you, even though that last line in your post there really makes you seem like a ****ing ****** who insulates himself from valid criticism by hiding behind strawmen.

I think there are many people like me who dislike DLC as a content delivery system. And no, not because of how it is priced, but for what it actually is. In the good ol' days, expansion packs usually offered around ten hours of gameplay in the form of a cohesive, epic quest line. And it's just not the same thing as releasing ten hours worth of DLC -- they are qualitatively different experiences. Ten hours worth of DLC split up into unrelated mini-quests spaced apart by weeks/months might be good business strategy, but it just isn't very satisfying to me as a gamer. Compared to an expansion pack, it's a pretty shallow gameplay experience. I know you played video games at one point in your life too, Rob, so you should probably understand my point.

So, I only really want one question answered: Do you plan on delivering content through traditional expansion packs IN ADDITION to DLC? If so, then carry on with the DLC, I really don't mind it at all. But if DLC is supposed to REPLACE expansion packs, as it usually ends up doing, then I'm very disappointed because DLC is just a whole different paradigm altogether.

I understand your frustration, and I to remember the good old days you speak of, but I just don't think it's possible.  It would be like asking the team that made a blockbuster to get back together and do a made-for TV special (aka Star Wars Holiday Special).  Only games that make a bazillion dollars can give investors the incentive to make expansion packs as heavily detailed as they would need to be to satisfy the quality of the original...

...back when we started playing games, they were just pixelated software toys.  Adding another 5-30 hours was a small team job.  Now they are major productions, involving casts, developers, artists, debuggers, sound technicians, etc.

I am confindent that eventually we will get a solid expansion pack worthy of the BG/NWN heritage this game comes from...but for now, I don't mind giving Bioware some extra cash for stuff that augments the original game and gets some extra content out there for us to play with.

[prmsntrcrps]

I agree, these small minidungeons are not preferable over fewer, larger installments.

[ToJKa1]

I have to wait and see people's reactions, but based on this info it is not worth $5. I'll just wait for the inevitable GOTY Edition that has all the DLC with it

And i too would like to see return to the traditional expansion systems, the NWN expansions were so much better than the main game, and put togehter had almost as much content. But, as i've said before, Bring Down the Sky for Mass Effect i liked, of course as a PC player i didn't have to pay for it separately.

[Darkest Dreamer]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Nutrients? You and I eat at different McDonald's.

Haha, honestly, I don't really eat McDonalds. Tried it once but it left me feeling... uncomfortable; like I'd chugged down a glass of grease.

[ItsToofy]

How does one fix something that isn't broken? People are spouting out all over the place "FIX THE DAMN GAME!" and such, if the game runs and you are able to make it from point A (origin story) to Point B (the end) without there being anything game breaking in the middle....then the game is NOT BROKEN. Can the game be optimized? sure it can.



You people yell and **** and complain about balancing the classes, balanced to what? to the guy raiding the dungeon with you? he's a freaking NPC! who the hell cares, do you think any of the multiplayer games are ever balanced anyway? look at WoW, how many years has that crap been out and they still release patches to "balance" the classes. 10 million subscribers? more like 10 million idiots in this world.



Another thing, so they are making DLC, did it ever occur to anyone that maybe there are SEPERATE TEAMS working on bug fixes and another team working on DLC? oh gee, no way! It's not like there are 10 monkeys in an office doing all the coding, editing, writing, drawing, animation, sound, playtesting, etc. Has anyone ever been into a developer's studio before? no? then stop demanding stuff like you know their jobs better than they do.



$5....wow.....$5....I know not all of you are so "innocent", maybe you should take a look at your daily finances and find out exactly what you are spending your money on. I know some of you spend somewhere between 5-10 dollars a day buying a pack of 20 cigarettes to smoke for no other reason than to satiate an addiction, gee, and you complain about 5 dollars one shot deal for something that has no detrimental effects to your health? (note: I am also a smoker, so I have no place to complain). Everyone is so quick to demand here, it's rather childish.