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[The Angry One]

fanman72 wrote...

So....any word on when this is coming out?

Soon™

[Titius.Vibius]

I need this set for Alistair to be King.

[spiderfarmer]

Axis Swordarm wrote... A bunch of good stuff 

I agree Axis. I'm astounded at this thread.  Not only the sheer volume of vitriol, which is normally reserved for OS fights when people break out the "M$ is eevils" trolling, but also at the absolute incapacity for some of the posters to communicate.  Nouns, verbs, adjectives and a spellchecker...English is not your enemy, despite the rather archaic grammatical rules. That said: using the term "sheeple" just makes you sound like a tool.  A tool from the early 90s. 

From my perspective, I think immerse media that comes in at a price point lower than $5.00 an hour is a bargain. It's especially a bargain given the sheer volume of work and talent that has gone into this product.  The writing in this game is astounding. The design is brilliant.  The voice talent is incredible. The decision trees were well thought out, the user interface was well designed, the ethnography and research behind the storyline is beautiful.  

My only real question about the new DLC is when I can get my hands on it.  Is it worth the $5.00 to me?  No question.  What I don't understand is all the "this sux, we wants our contents for free! Capitalism suxors!" nonsense.  If you don't want to buy new content, cool...don't buy new content.  It's not like Bioware shows up and threatens your grandma if you don't buy DLC.  Nobody is holding your kitten at gunpoint.  Don't think it's worth it?  Groovy.  Don't get it. 

And I think anyone who has been around the gaming universe for any period of time realizes that EA has done some really bad things in the past.  But unfortunately, games need publishers, and sometimes evil is the only game in town.  I almost didn't buy the game *because* of the EA affiliation, and I waited until testers de-compiled and proved that there wasn't another EA rootkit in the code. To be fair, I think EA learned from the last debacle and realized that their draconian methodologies were losing more honest customer money than they were losing through piracy. This doesn't mean I've forgiven them, mind you. 

But EA is not Bioware.  The game is a Bioware baby.  And it was a brilliantly conceived, carried and delivered baby.  The people who created it deserve to be rewarded.  To complain about DLC because there is the *possibility* that a coder or a writer or a creator might actually make a middle class income  or *gasp* enough to buy a sports car, is absurd. 

To stand around posing like a French revolutionary shouting "ja'cuse!", as though the devs were Aristos denying you a crust of bread is ridiculous. 

[thezakkain]

At first I was skeptical, but I noticed recently the blurb on dragonage.com has changed. Now there's stuff about another survivor, a new area to explore, and other stuff. It looks like Return to Ostagar is fleshing out a little. I'm totally gonna get this. 5 bucks is a bargain

[Deception_2112]

I still don't think what Bioware is doing is correct tbh...



No matter how you argue it, plenty of other game companies offer more content, the same level of voice acting and etc. at a much better price...Take Shivering Isles for example, they are both DLCs with far more than 1hrs worth of content, and yet they needed not only need voice actors, but modelers, texturers and etc. The end result is that they charged 2400 MS points or $30...



Or another example...The Borderlands DLC, which gave players another 4-5hrs of content but only charged $10 for it all..



I don't think Bioware is heading in the right direction atm, Return to Ostagar seems to have no new models, no new resources and etc. but rather just rehased from the original game..The advertised armor is already existent in the toolset and has been added via mods by some people already..



Thats about 6 times the amount of the price of this DLC, but includes much much more content in terms of playing hours

[Bmancarth]

Will we be able to get duncans armor, perhaps a chance to revive duncan and have him fight alongside, ie another trip to sacred ashes or something like that?

[Shadowulph]

Was wondering the same about Duncan. Is he a prisoner, survivor, or had he been eaten? Would love to have a chance at getting his armor set because I have not found that design at all in the game! ETA would also be sweet...

[ozenglish]

I agree with Spiderfarmer. I remember EA's old days of heavy handed tactics. Also, remember Bioware is a Canadian company (and no I am not a Canadian) and they do things a little differently up here. Yes Bioware is in it for the money, as much as I am in the whole "going to work for money" routine. Mind you, Bioware staff have a far cooler, and more stressful job than I, but when I get home, Bioware is my top choice for gaming relaxation. I am itching for the next DLC, but what I am intrigued with is the next big piece which will eventually come out. Open up Orlais, and all those mighty fine French women accents.. *looks around* that wasn't the inside voice was it?

[Arbiter745]

So when does this come out? I thought it was Dec. 8?

[Dreogan]

This is me flailing my arms in frustration after buying the (second) soundtrack on iTunes.

Why? A track is named "Ruins of Ostagar."

Modifié par Dreogan, 10 décembre 2009 - 04:34 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

I downloaded Warden's Keep because I had the points, with no regrets since that chest is usable, that smith gives you Starfang, and the dungeon was pretty interesting. Not to mention the new abilities it can unlock.



Does anyone here feel that was a waste of money? If so too bad, because I had fun.



I may also buy RtO as well. I don't really mind DLC and I actually prefer frequent DLC as long as it is good every time.



I liked Fable II's Knothole Island DLC, disliked their second one.

[Wild Maiden]

spiderfarmer wrote...
What I don't understand is all the "this sux, we wants our contents for free! Capitalism suxors!" nonsense.  If you don't want to buy new content, cool...don't buy new content.  It's not like Bioware shows up and threatens your grandma if you don't buy DLC.  Nobody is holding your kitten at gunpoint.  Don't think it's worth it?  Groovy.  Don't get it. 

I don't think the main argument against the business model being implemented here is "capitalism suxors", nor are people demanding "free" content.  The argument is that the amount of content added is not worth the additional cost, but by selling us lots of little things it appears to be cheaper than it is.  The Nickle-and-dime strategy is effective, but it's certainly not in the consumers best interest.  We end up paying more and getting less.  As I've said before, there has been $27 "worth" of DLC released or announced so far.  If they bundled it all together and sold Warden's Keep, The Stone Prisoner, and Return to Ostagar at retail for $27 would it still feel like a good value?  Additionally, read the description for Warden's Keep.  Is that what you actually feel you got after buying it?  Add it all up and it starts to paint a picture of a somewhat deceptive business practice where low prices mask the even lower amount of content (which is even lower than what is was marketed as).  

We've only seen one true DLC pack so far in Warden's Keep, which was far from stellar, but there is room to improve.  Hopefully they take this opportunity to sell the DLC/Micro-transaction model to those of us who are less than impressed with it so far.

As for the argument "If you don't like it don't buy it", don't worry, we won't.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our opinion and try to improve the state of things.  Everybody here wants to see the game expanded and additional content added, but some of us are not convinced that the DLC model being used is the best way to achieve that (in terms of value to the consumer).

[ozenglish]

and so it the argument resumes it's intensity. Have we not covered this upteenth time? Really? Can some mod smite this argument somehow. LOKI Demands it.

[Wild Maiden]

I see, it's ok for you to post your comments on the matter, but the moderators need to silence anybody who doesn't share your opinion. That's nice.

[ozenglish]

I am not wanting silenced issues, it is just that this is getting hashed around so many times, in so many different ways. It is like asking why the sky is blue, and not liking the answer, so you ask again in the vain hope that you are going to get an answer more to your liking.

[Bryy_Miller]

Axis Swordarm wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Some people actually do believe that companies make games just for fun. It's mainly used in the Nintendo vs. Sony vs. Microsoft ring, and rose in popularity due to Wii Fit.

People assume that the passion people have for their work must also mean they're willing to live in a box.  Perfectly feasible if you're an artist or a writer

Funny you mention that. During the 2008 WGA Strike, people were saying things like "but I thought artists did not do it for money" and "it's not art if you are getting paid".
I was in the room for some of these. They were serious comments.

[Wild Maiden]

ozenglish wrote...

I am not wanting silenced issues, it is just that this is getting hashed around so many times, in so many different ways. It is like asking why the sky is blue, and not liking the answer, so you ask again in the vain hope that you are going to get an answer more to your liking.

Yeah, it is getting stale, I'll agree with you there.  They should hurry up and release Return to Ostagar so we'll have something new to complain about 

[ozenglish]

Wild Maiden wrote...

ozenglish wrote...

I am not wanting silenced issues, it is just that this is getting hashed around so many times, in so many different ways. It is like asking why the sky is blue, and not liking the answer, so you ask again in the vain hope that you are going to get an answer more to your liking.

Yeah, it is getting stale, I'll agree with you there.  They should hurry up and release Return to Ostagar so we'll have something new to complain about 

What is a gamer, who has nothing to complain about?? Probably not a gamer. I rarely have any complaints with Bioware products, heck even DLC really. My main concerns are it nevers seems to be available when I want it lol.

[TastyLaksa]

Is it out yet?

[Dieover]

i saw that starving prison turn into a walking dead with red burning flesh in the ss, what happen to him?

and oh do we get to slay all the darkspawn that slaughter the king and his men and maybe chasing them down as well? and we might fallen into an ambush and have to defend ours elf from endless horde rush until reinforcements arrive : DD

and i agree with Wild Maiden, we need a big DLC that draw us in and the content would last us for other 10-20 hours with puzzles involved :  )

Modifié par Dieover, 10 décembre 2009 - 09:55 .

[Tonya777]

Oh **** , I'm playing a lvl 18 Dwarf paladin right now , by the time this is actually out he will get the fancy beautiful armor and then have nothing to do with it

[RetrOldSchool]

Wild Maiden wrote...

spiderfarmer wrote...
What I don't understand is all the "this sux, we wants our contents for free! Capitalism suxors!" nonsense.  If you don't want to buy new content, cool...don't buy new content.  It's not like Bioware shows up and threatens your grandma if you don't buy DLC.  Nobody is holding your kitten at gunpoint.  Don't think it's worth it?  Groovy.  Don't get it. 

I don't think the main argument against the business model being implemented here is "capitalism suxors", nor are people demanding "free" content.  The argument is that the amount of content added is not worth the additional cost, but by selling us lots of little things it appears to be cheaper than it is.  The Nickle-and-dime strategy is effective, but it's certainly not in the consumers best interest.  We end up paying more and getting less.  As I've said before, there has been $27 "worth" of DLC released or announced so far.  If they bundled it all together and sold Warden's Keep, The Stone Prisoner, and Return to Ostagar at retail for $27 would it still feel like a good value?  Additionally, read the description for Warden's Keep.  Is that what you actually feel you got after buying it?  Add it all up and it starts to paint a picture of a somewhat deceptive business practice where low prices mask the even lower amount of content (which is even lower than what is was marketed as).  

We've only seen one true DLC pack so far in Warden's Keep, which was far from stellar, but there is room to improve.  Hopefully they take this opportunity to sell the DLC/Micro-transaction model to those of us who are less than impressed with it so far.

As for the argument "If you don't like it don't buy it", don't worry, we won't.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our opinion and try to improve the state of things.  Everybody here wants to see the game expanded and additional content added, but some of us are not convinced that the DLC model being used is the best way to achieve that (in terms of value to the consumer).

I don't think it's fair to consider Stone Prisoner a 1200 point DLC since it's free with all new purchases. So it's only if you buy DA:O used or if you download the game illegally that you would have to pay for it.

I would guess that the pricing for Stone Prisoner is higher than usual as a bit of an extra reason for gamers to buy DA:O new (and really buy it and not DL it).

Personally that's how I look at the pricing of Stone Prisoner. If that's the case or not I really can't tell, but I think it would be a pretty good way to fight piracy, to create more reasons not to download an illegal copy.

I think that one thing that a lot of people does is compare the $/hour for DLC to the real game which isn't very realistic either, since WK should only be ~50 cents in that comparisson (that is if DA:O is 120 hours of gameplay).

And Bioware has stated that the future DLC will be of different size etc (and RtO isn't even out) so I think the debate is a little off until we have more DLC to reference.

[ILLuminated1]

I don't mind paying for the updates. Bioware has a masterpiece with DragonAge and it's worth every penny. Having fine actors and especially Claudia Black (Farscape) in this game makes it well worth it. I can only wish they could be faster with the updates ! Great game to play with all this winter weather this year in the states.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Dreogan wrote...

This is me flailing my arms in frustration after buying the (second) soundtrack on iTunes.

Why? A track is named "Ruins of Ostagar."

Erm, you are aware that they were ruins when we were there originally right?

http://dragonage.bio...m/world/ostagar

The only real thing still standing in proper condition (other than the bridge we crossed) was that tower we lit the beacon in, everything else was ruins of a fortress long since abandoned.

I am hoping in a future DLC we get to see its northern counterpart "Aeonar", as I imagine that would be like going to somewhere like what Ostagar used to be like before it fell into ruin.