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[jakal66]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

I'm
guessing some charachters will get the ME 2 wrex system, where you see
them a bit,talk a little and then that's it...it's gonna suck if that is
one of your fav charchters....I get the feeling we'll get to see a
lotta blood in the forums once the game is out due to this reason...but
hell if they're gonna cut the list to let's say half (6) that is gonna
leave some angry fans...but hey you can't satisty everyone right....I
justhope some of my favs are actually playable...

Yeah
I agree, probably won't hang around the ME forums much post-release I
don't think it'll be pleasant! With that said I'm fine with that
approach. In fact I actually prefer that they are cutting the number of
perma squadmates down somewhat in order to allow greater chemistry
between them and whatnot. Plus there is not telling yet whether there
will be more than one either/or slot in the party, not sure how it would
work but it's not unfeasible. I would hope we still get 8 or 9 party
members, although I suspect it'll be more like 7 or 8.

True,
the problem is which character are gonna be permanent
squaddies...specially if we're getting a couple of new ones...it would
be cool that they don't get the wrex treatment and you can at least play
with them for a while ala LOTSB...that would be awsome but far fetched

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...
That's very telling, even Miranda tells you it was a bad idea.

Come on now.

And Mordin + Legion (arguably both smarter than Miranda) opt to keep it.

Teams reactions:

Garrus: I don't know, Shepard. What happened here was horrible, but we have to stop the Reapers. If we destroy this base then all these people died for nothing.

Grunt: He's right. When your enemy gives you a weapon, you use it. You might not get another chance.

Jack: Seriously? Shepard, he's a user, just like Collectors.

Jacob: It's better because we'll do it? Shepard, this is way over the line.

Kasumi: Shep, he's talking about doing it all again. How will that help anything?

Legion: Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

Miranda: I'm not so sure. Seeing it first hand--using anything from this base seems like a betrayal.

Mordin: Agreed. Collector base horrific. Vile experiments, but should use what's here. Risks galaxy to ignore opportunity.

Samara: You have not really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods.

Tali: Shepard, we fought to stop it. Us using it doesn't make it right.

Thane: Shepard/Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate.

Zaeed: Someone gives you a weapon, you don't complain that it's dirty--you use it

Bolded = Supports keeping it

It's good to see my boys Zaeed and Legion being on the side of reason.

[Yakko77]

I hope E3 will reveal more details on changes being made to the classes. Some worked very well but otehrs needed a bit of tuning IMO. The Engineer needs a more powerful or capable drone/mech IMO. It's still my favorite class but I'd like to see that class given something really special that'll hopefully get more players to use that it as I believe it's the least used.

Modifié par Yakko77, 11 mai 2011 - 04:53 .

[Dave of Canada]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

My guess as I stated earlier is that it will have some sort of negative effect early on (perhaps making Cerberus a tougher enemy) but end up giving you an extra option or tool when it comes to saving civilisations and gaining allies to deal with the Reapers. I just have a feeling it'll tie into that dynamic somehow.

My first playthrough will be on Insanity and I kept the Base.

*cries*

[jakal66]

Too bad they all retract back at the Normandy

[Apollo Starflare]

I find it interesting that most who speak against keeping it seem to presume it will only be used for further vile experiments. It seems to be an emotional response not considering the fact that those in charge would not have the same goals as the Collectors. Why would the base ever be used to make another Reaper? And even with the base Cerberus wouldn't have the power to start strip mining aliens for the slaughter. It was a tool, data as Legion puts it, and I can see that data coming in useful down the road. Whether it has negative consequences beforehand is something I think most Renegade/base keeping players accepted and knew they would have to overcome when it occurs, but with the hope of a payoff at the end.

[Da Mecca]

Seboist wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...
That's very telling, even Miranda tells you it was a bad idea.

Come on now.

And Mordin + Legion (arguably both smarter than Miranda) opt to keep it.

Teams reactions:

Garrus: I don't know, Shepard. What happened here was horrible, but we have to stop the Reapers. If we destroy this base then all these people died for nothing.

Grunt: He's right. When your enemy gives you a weapon, you use it. You might not get another chance.

Jack: Seriously? Shepard, he's a user, just like Collectors.

Jacob: It's better because we'll do it? Shepard, this is way over the line.

Kasumi: Shep, he's talking about doing it all again. How will that help anything?

Legion: Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

Miranda: I'm not so sure. Seeing it first hand--using anything from this base seems like a betrayal.

Mordin: Agreed. Collector base horrific. Vile experiments, but should use what's here. Risks galaxy to ignore opportunity.

Samara: You have not really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods.

Tali: Shepard, we fought to stop it. Us using it doesn't make it right.

Thane: Shepard/Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate.

Zaeed: Someone gives you a weapon, you don't complain that it's dirty--you use it

Bolded = Supports keeping it

It's good to see my boys Zaeed and Legion being on the side of reason.

Then you go on the Normandy and it's a completely different story.

Everyone will say it was a bad idea.

Everyone will be right too.

[Dave of Canada]

Da Mecca wrote...

Then you go on the Normandy and it's a completely different story.

Because of poor writing that even most Paragon players admit is weird.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 mai 2011 - 04:56 .

[jakal66]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I find it interesting that most who speak against keeping it seem to presume it will only be used for further vile experiments. It seems to be an emotional response not considering the fact that those in charge would not have the same goals as the Collectors. Why would the base ever be used to make another Reaper? And even with the base Cerberus wouldn't have the power to start strip mining aliens for the slaughter. It was a tool, data as Legion puts it, and I can see that data coming in useful down the road. Whether it has negative consequences beforehand is something I think most Renegade/base keeping players accepted and knew they would have to overcome when it occurs, but with the hope of a payoff at the end.

Probably because they thinl that ceberus isn't a trustworthy faction and it will do something bad eventually with it even after destroying the reaper...come on we have seen what cerberus could do in ME1 and to a point in ME2...I duon't suddenly see them as the saviours of the galaxy...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...

Then you go on the Normandy and it's a completely different story.

Because of poor writing that even most Paragon players admit is weird.

I'm guessing more in the lines of the fact that they already had an idea of how ME3 was going to play out in that aspect.., giving a cerberus a weapon of mass destruction didn't seem like a great idea even to my renegade shep

Modifié par jakal66, 11 mai 2011 - 04:59 .

[Yakko77]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I find it interesting that most who speak against keeping it seem to presume it will only be used for further vile experiments.

Name one Cerberus experiement that didn't cross reasonable moral and ethical boundries and/or didn't result in countless deaths.  ME1 and 2 is full of Cerberus experiments gone bad or atrocities that require Shepard to fix or make right.  Even bringing Shepard back to life went bad as the entire staff other than Miranda and Jacob  died.

But THIS  time will be different...... Riiiight.

The definition of insanity is making the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result. 

The only way I could see saving the Collector base as justifiable is IF you didn't hand it over to Cerberus.

Modifié par Yakko77, 11 mai 2011 - 05:03 .

[Dave of Canada]

jakal66 wrote...

I'm guessing more in the lines of the fact that they already had an idea of how ME3 was going to play out in that aspect..,

And that's supposed to make it better? O.o

giving a cerberus a weapon of mass destruction didn't seem like a great idea even to my renegade shep

And not every Shepard is your Shepard.

[Dave of Canada]

Yakko77 wrote...

ME1 and 2 is full of Cerberus experiments gone bad or atrocities that require Chepard to fix or make right.

Because they wouldn't invite Shepard for a successful experiement?

"We just cured [insert disease], want to come to the celebration?"

I was sent to clean Alliance / Council messes but nobody yells that the Alliance / Council is incompetent.

Even bringing Shepard back to life went bad as the entire staff other than Miranda and Jacob  died.

And it saved the galaxy by bringing Shepard back, the staff died for the greater good. Like most of their "failed" experiments.

The definition of insanity is making the same mistake over and ove and expecting a different result.

Except they do get results?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...

Then you go on the Normandy and it's a completely different story.

Because of poor writing that even most Paragon players admit is weird.

It's almost as if they're trying to trick Renegade players into making the "wrong" decision. It makes no sense how these same characters have a complete mind crush over the whole thing back on the ship.

[jakal66]

Dave of Canada wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

I'm guessing more in the lines of the fact that they already had an idea of how ME3 was going to play out in that aspect..,

And that's supposed to make it better? O.o

MMmhhkey, I was just saying what they wanted to transmit...not that it was a masterpice

giving a cerberus a weapon of mass destruction didn't seem like a great idea even to my renegade shep

And not every Shepard is your Shepard.

yeah that's the whole point man, I was expressing MY opinion, hence what MY sheppard thinks.I think that by this time this would be obvious since everyone's shep is supossed to be THEIR own and therefore have their own decisions and results...
But you know what...it's silly to argue because bio already pit Cerberus against you and you'll have to accept it eventually...

Modifié par jakal66, 11 mai 2011 - 05:13 .

[Chromie]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I find it interesting that most who speak against keeping it seem to presume it will only be used for further vile experiments.

I find it odd that no one has thought that maybe just maybe somehow Illusive man doesn't get to keep the base? W have Miranda and Jacob. One was trusted by Cerberus she spoke to the Illusive Man in person we know that maybe she passed information a long to the Alliance to help secure the base? Also there's jacob and Cerberes Solider and ex-Alliance solider. He could help prepare the Alliance for an attack on Cerberus.

Though that's just me making up stuff.

[Yakko77]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

ME1 and 2 is full of Cerberus experiments gone bad or atrocities that require Chepard to fix or make right.

Because they wouldn't invite Shepard for a successful experiement?

"We just cured [insert disease], want to come to the celebration?"

I was sent to clean Alliance / Council messes but nobody yells that the Alliance / Council is incompetent.

Even bringing Shepard back to life went bad as the entire staff other than Miranda and Jacob  died.

And it saved the galaxy by bringing Shepard back, the staff died for the greater good. Like most of their "failed" experiments.

The definition of insanity is making the same mistake over and ove and expecting a different result.

Except they do get results?

Ever considered a run for politics?

[Dave of Canada]

Yakko77 wrote...


Ever considered a run for politics?

Canada has politics? *looks around igloo*

[Yakko77]

jakal66 wrote...

But you know what...it's silly to argue because bio already pit Cerberus against you and you'll have to accept it eventually...

You win.  Everyone else, go pout!

[Yakko77]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...


Ever considered a run for politics?

Canada has politics? *looks around igloo*

Politicians or igloos?

I think the igloo sounds preferable.

[Dave of Canada]

jakal66 wrote...

But you know what...it's silly to argue because bio already pit Cerberus against you and you'll have to accept it eventually...

Doesn't mean I'll sit back and let people call me and others stupid because of their metagame.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 mai 2011 - 05:19 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I was sent to clean Alliance / Council messes but nobody yells that the Alliance / Council is incompetent.

I do. Cerberus is unethically incompetent, the council is ethically incompetent, and the Alliance is greyarea Incompetent.

Just like actual government all of them are incompetent.

[Yakko77]

Dave of Canada wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

But you know what...it's silly to argue because bio already pit Cerberus against you and you'll have to accept it eventually...

Doesn't mean I'll sit back and let people call me and others stupid because of their metagame.

I'm not sure if anyone has called you stupid.  I simply think handing over the Collector base to TIM/Cerberus is less than ethical which could and should bite you in the butt.  To me, it seems you and others who defend that choice are trying to justify the unjustifable.... sort of like a politician, hence my quip earlier.  In short, saving the base is a total Udina move IMO. 

Agree to disagree.

Overall, we're all gamers and I  just hope this extra time being put into the game will make it even better as I'm sure it will as I'm pretty excited about all the details mentioned in the OP>

[100k]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

I am disappointed that Shepard "chooses" to leave Cerberus no matter what. It is just so.... railroady. What was the point of making us work with them in ME2? I thought that we could choose to have them as allies if we were renegade, but guess not. My Shep, hate Aliens (colonist) and is still pissed at the Alliance for hanging him out to dry in ME2 so it makes NO sense for him to run back to Alliance. sigh I used to love Bioware but now if this is true, combined with somethings from DA2, I just don't know anymore.

   


I agree with you its bull sh*t  

How about this, you two:

-You haven't played Mass Effect 3
-You don't know what Bioware has planned to justify a Shepard/Cerberus split
-You don't have any reason to complain until you actually play the game

Jes*s.

Can someone please PM me a link to the scans?

[Seboist]

Yakko77 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

But you know what...it's silly to argue because bio already pit Cerberus against you and you'll have to accept it eventually...

Doesn't mean I'll sit back and let people call me and others stupid because of their metagame.

I'm not sure if anyone has called you stupid.  I simply think handing over the Collector base to TIM/Cerberus is less than ethical which could and should bite you in the butt.  To me, it seems you and others who defend that choice are trying to justify the unjustifable.... sort of like a politician, hence my quip earlier.  In short, saving the base is a total Udina move IMO. 

Agree to disagree.

Overall, we're all gamers and I  just hope this extra time being put into the game will make it even better as I'm sure it will as I'm pretty excited about all the details mentioned in the OP>

Cerberus lead Shepard to victory against the Collectors. They have every right to keep it.