I thought the antagonists were the Reapers and the Illusive Man was just a mid-boss.
The Illusive Man is not the antagonist.
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#52
Posté 11 mai 2011 - 08:20
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The fact that you get to attack Cerberus in ME3 doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, we don't know if you have a choice. We don't know the reasons, or the point in the story where it happens. We don't know if you can rejoin them later. We don't know if you can side with them in one of the endings.
It's really too early to start freaking out about it.
It's really too early to start freaking out about it.
#53
Posté 11 mai 2011 - 08:21
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TIM could be replaced without anybody noticing... Just like with the shadow broker. I really hope TIM isn't the enemy, I really like him
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 09:35
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Mathy 16 wrote...
TIM could be replaced without anybody noticing... Just like with the shadow broker. I really hope TIM isn't the enemy, I really like him
Yeah i like him too. Not really Cerberus, but TiM himself is an interesting character. I hope he doesn't just become another Saren or Dr. Kenson.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 09:39
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Renegade Shep has TIM eyes, therefore he's indocrinated too!!!11
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#56
Posté 11 mai 2011 - 09:41
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Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
The fact that you get to attack Cerberus in ME3 doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, we don't know if you have a choice.
You don't, magazines have covered it. They are antagonists and giving the Base to them was the "bad" decision. It's why all the paragons are calling renegades stupid.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 10:05
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Dave of Canada wrote...
Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
The fact that you get to attack Cerberus in ME3 doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, we don't know if you have a choice.
You don't, magazines have covered it. They are antagonists and giving the Base to them was the "bad" decision. It's why all the paragons are calling renegades stupid.
And you consider their info official because.....?
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 01:10
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Yeah, I think that The Illusive Man has a fanbase large enough to avoid that.ohbobsagetpiss wrote...
Mathy 16 wrote...
TIM could be replaced without anybody noticing... Just like with the shadow broker. I really hope TIM isn't the enemy, I really like him
Yeah i like him too. Not really Cerberus, but TiM himself is an interesting character. I hope he doesn't just become another Saren or Dr. Kenson.
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#59
Posté 12 mai 2011 - 01:26
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THIS, this so much. Exactly how I feel.Nyoka wrote...
Indoctrination is a cheap way to provide motivation. Through indoctrination, you can make any character do and say whatever you want, and you don't have to bother making sense.
I really hope they don't say the reapers indoctrinated TIM. He deserves his own independent development.
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 01:26
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Dave of Canada wrote...
Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
The fact that you get to attack Cerberus in ME3 doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, we don't know if you have a choice.
You don't, magazines have covered it. They are antagonists and giving the Base to them was the "bad" decision. It's why all the paragons are calling renegades stupid.
You can call us stupid if you want but us renegade players frankly don't give a sh*t anymore we know Bioware is F**king us over with our choice at the end of 2 .
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 01:36
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ExtremeOne wrote...
Dave of Canada wrote...
Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
The fact that you get to attack Cerberus in ME3 doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, we don't know if you have a choice.
You don't, magazines have covered it. They are antagonists and giving the Base to them was the "bad" decision. It's why all the paragons are calling renegades stupid.
You can call us stupid if you want but us renegade players frankly don't give a sh*t anymore we know Bioware is F**king us over with our choice at the end of 2 .
Can't you say something ëlse? It's always "BioWare is screwing with us", "The Alliance are a bunch of asses" or "I will kill every alliance squadmate". Seriously don't you get bored.
How do you even know that the renegade choice in ME2 won't affect ME3 positively? I'm sure if they give positive outcomes to Paragons they'd do the same with Renegades.
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 02:04
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I'm still going through the stages of grief over the news. It's pathetic, really. My Shepard is taking it far better than I do. He doesn't understand what all the handwringing on my part is all about. He says, "Oh, come on! It's not like it's a LI - it's just Cerberus! And it's hardly the first time our allies turn on us. Can anything really surprise us after Horizon? After the meeting with the saved Council? After learning that Alliance is silencing those who publicly defend my name and my words? We can only trust ourselves - no one else in the galaxy."
But it's worse than just a trust betrayed. I'm NOT looking forward to being forced to fight Cerberus, whatever their motivations. Just think of it, killing human soldiers when we're at war with the Reapers. Possibly killing a lot of humans who could've been holding the line on Earth. What a pointless waste of resources!
We humans don't even have much of us left, after the attacks on the colonies and on Earth, and they're not even civilians - they're soldiers! I'll be taking out the strongest and fittest of our kind. It takes decades to properly train a soldier. It takes my Shepard seconds to kill one. And I bet we'd have to kill a lot of those. Each bullet I waste on a human when I could've saved it for the Reapers is like a betrayal to humankind. We should be fighting together, not against each other. How much more depressing could it be?
For the love of everything, I hope that Cerberus has the sense to "recruit" (read - indoctrinate) aliens to fight Shepard.
Ohh, and don't tell me that I'm giving Renegades a bad name by whining. I've got emotions, and I'm going to feel them whenever I feel like it. I'll fight when the Reapers are here. I'll whine between the battles.
But it's worse than just a trust betrayed. I'm NOT looking forward to being forced to fight Cerberus, whatever their motivations. Just think of it, killing human soldiers when we're at war with the Reapers. Possibly killing a lot of humans who could've been holding the line on Earth. What a pointless waste of resources!
We humans don't even have much of us left, after the attacks on the colonies and on Earth, and they're not even civilians - they're soldiers! I'll be taking out the strongest and fittest of our kind. It takes decades to properly train a soldier. It takes my Shepard seconds to kill one. And I bet we'd have to kill a lot of those. Each bullet I waste on a human when I could've saved it for the Reapers is like a betrayal to humankind. We should be fighting together, not against each other. How much more depressing could it be?
For the love of everything, I hope that Cerberus has the sense to "recruit" (read - indoctrinate) aliens to fight Shepard.
Ohh, and don't tell me that I'm giving Renegades a bad name by whining. I've got emotions, and I'm going to feel them whenever I feel like it. I'll fight when the Reapers are here. I'll whine between the battles.
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 03:39
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I agree which is why I'm waiting till the new book to see if it reveals anything
you might be right. Just got an email from amazon and the new mass effect book got pushed back to Jan 31, 2012. Must contain spoilers.
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 06:20
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Sorry double post.. I'm new here can you delete a post?? xD
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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 06:22
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I just hope TIM is hiding in a cave somewhere hiding for Cerberus.. Then he will explain what happened and he will join you on your ship helping Calibrating
#67
Posté 12 mai 2011 - 10:10
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Sweet cheese on rice!
It all makes sense now. TIM is indoctrinated and the reapers used the collectors to kill shep so that TIM could implant her with Reaper tech! That's why your eyes glow
Shep is a trojan horse.
.....or not.
It all makes sense now. TIM is indoctrinated and the reapers used the collectors to kill shep so that TIM could implant her with Reaper tech! That's why your eyes glow
Shep is a trojan horse......or not.
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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 09:01
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If the collectors we're really after Shepard why the hell didn't they just scoop him up after the SR1 got destroyed? Same thing with the SR1-crew, they we're all in lifepods so they weren't going anywhere, but instead of scooping them up they waited 2 years to do it from a brand new SR2.
I really don't want to think to much about the story in ME. On the surface it looks cool and leads to great things, but if you think about it too much it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I really don't want to think to much about the story in ME. On the surface it looks cool and leads to great things, but if you think about it too much it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 09:05
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Btw is there anyone we know of who would be in a position to take over Cerberus as front man, other than TIM?
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Posté 15 mai 2011 - 01:46
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Well, should really be a number of people. If multiple people can do Shadow Broker's job, that i guess the same is true for TIM.Tripedius wrote...
Btw is there anyone we know of who would be in a position to take over Cerberus as front man, other than TIM?
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Posté 15 mai 2011 - 02:15
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A few things:
- Bioware didn't "screw" renegades. You can see through-out the series, and it is mentioned numerous times in interviews- that Bioware tried their best to give positive feedback on decisions that you've made. You do not really get punished for doing things "wrong". Unless Bioware does a 180 on this (though interviews suggest they won't), results of these decisions will be "different", not 'better/worse'.
- In GameInformer it states below one of the pictures "Why is the Illusive Man using Cerberus to hunt down Shepard?"
This is page 57 of Game Informer, bottom right.
- Bioware didn't "screw" renegades. You can see through-out the series, and it is mentioned numerous times in interviews- that Bioware tried their best to give positive feedback on decisions that you've made. You do not really get punished for doing things "wrong". Unless Bioware does a 180 on this (though interviews suggest they won't), results of these decisions will be "different", not 'better/worse'.
- In GameInformer it states below one of the pictures "Why is the Illusive Man using Cerberus to hunt down Shepard?"
This is page 57 of Game Informer, bottom right.
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Posté 15 mai 2011 - 04:02
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Casey Hudson said not to believe everything we read unless it is said it was outright stated by Bioware. A lot of info is just speculation on the part of magazines.Warlocomotf wrote...
- In GameInformer it states below one of the pictures "Why is the Illusive Man using Cerberus to hunt down Shepard?"
This is page 57 of Game Informer, bottom right.
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Posté 15 mai 2011 - 04:25
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No question that TIM is evil, if you don't save the collector base he goes nuts, if you do, just look at his evil smile after you stop talking to him (this guy is bad news)
As for why he is actually after shepherd, I'm not sure, I like the idea of him being indoctrinated but without realising it. I always wondered about the eyes and made a connection to saren, i think they are important (just not sure how.)
Either way, I can't wait for the game I just hope they have a good reason for ceberus being against you (Even though i am alliance i still thought cerberus were cool)
As for why he is actually after shepherd, I'm not sure, I like the idea of him being indoctrinated but without realising it. I always wondered about the eyes and made a connection to saren, i think they are important (just not sure how.)
Either way, I can't wait for the game I just hope they have a good reason for ceberus being against you (Even though i am alliance i still thought cerberus were cool)
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Posté 15 mai 2011 - 04:34
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I don't think TIM is evil per se. He is just ruthless in his goals. But in the end he might actually have humanity's best interest in mind.joe2by4 wrote...
No question that TIM is evil, if you don't save the collector base he goes nuts, if you do, just look at his evil smile after you stop talking to him (this guy is bad news)
As for why he is actually after shepherd, I'm not sure, I like the idea of him being indoctrinated but without realising it. I always wondered about the eyes and made a connection to saren, i think they are important (just not sure how.)
Either way, I can't wait for the game I just hope they have a good reason for ceberus being against you (Even though i am alliance i still thought cerberus were cool)
#75
Posté 15 mai 2011 - 05:57
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SSJ5 wrote...
Casey Hudson said not to believe everything we read unless it is said it was outright stated by Bioware. A lot of info is just speculation on the part of magazines.Warlocomotf wrote...
- In GameInformer it states below one of the pictures "Why is the Illusive Man using Cerberus to hunt down Shepard?"
This is page 57 of Game Informer, bottom right.
I read that as well, and frankly was aware of it before he said it (Though some magazines do better in separating their speculation from their facts). I just felt it was worthwhile pointing this out, since it hadn't been mentioned yet (atleast not in this thread).
Also while he obviously did say this, that doesn't mean "Cherrypick your facts", it means that some information *could be* wrong- while most of it will likely be true.
I however do agree that this is a very good candidate for "that may not be true" (probably the most likely candidate of the GameInformer article, aside from the name "Sanders" anyway).
