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[SSJ5]

Hmm this is interesting:

[Hazheel_Thorn]

What if sheppard has to go after TIM and cerburus just because the alliance, the flottila, the geth,... and maybe the Rachni ask him to do it in return for their help and the secrets TIM aquired during ME2? And its actually Chepard who has to switch sides. Or maybe you choose to remain loyal and you have to fight the rest of them? Should be a nice paragon/renegade choice from the beginning...

[SkittlesKat96]

I reckon there has to be some just reason for why he is attacking Shepard, he knows that Shepard and the Alliance is important to stopping the Reapers

[Wulfram]

I hope we get to do more significant things than squabbling with a bunch of petty bandits like Cerberus.

[Hazheel_Thorn]

I think cerberus being in the first released screenshots is quite an identication for how important this organization is going to be...

[Lotion Soronarr]

naledgeborn wrote...

If the Reapers are the Blight then TIM is Loghain. At least I hope he is. I don't trust him, but if I could have him in my corner, 9 times out of 10 I'm picking him.

TIM is way more sane and cool than Loghain.
Which is why fighting Cerberus is a giant story FAIL.

[Bill the Illusive man]

Cerberus being under Reaper control is excellent because

1) All the Reaper experiments they tried to do
2) I gave TIM the base. It would be cool, if that led to him being indoctrinated
3) TIM just double crossing you would be very lame, and predictable.

[SSJ5]

2) I gave TIM the base. It would be cool, if that led to him being indoctrinated

I don't think this could ever happen to The Illusive Man. He's far too smart for that.

[BL00D_B0TTLER]

I'd like to think that the writers of ME3 would give us something better than the illusive man turning out to be (knowingly or unknowingly) indoctrinated by the reapers, since this conflicts with his motivations in ME2 and feels like a re-hash of Saren's character arc from ME1. However, unless they ass-pull a complete plot-twist at the 11th hour, this is what all the current evidence is pointing towards:

- TIM, Saren and the reaper husks all have glowing blue eyes (albeit to slightly different extents).
- TIM, Saren and the husks are all affected by reaper tech to some extent (revealed in ME evolution)
- Even though Saren retained free will for awhile he was slowly corrupted by reaper tech (and proxmity of Sovereign).
- TIM is fixated on accessing reaper tech (the collector base) and using it to advance humanity, despite knowing it can lead to indoctrination. Just as Saren wanted to get close to the reapers in order to bargain with them.
- Following bioware's seeming insistence that all renegade actions lead to 'bad' outcomes, it seems likely that saving  the collector base for TIM will only strengthen your enemies (the reapers) against you in ME3
 - In ME3 Cerberus is actively hunting Shepard even if you gave TIM the base as he asked.
- TIM is shown to have control over every aspect of Cerberus in ME2 so it's unlikely that his 'investors' have simply wrested control from his hands in ME3, as some have suggested.
- Therefore TIM is hunting Shepard. The only logical reason for this complete 180 in TIM's behaviour from ME2 to ME3 is that indoctrination has somehow increased with the approach of the reapers.

Hopefully I'm wrong about all this and there'll be a more interesting fate for TIM's character than simply

*ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL*
*two shots to the head*

But I'm not optimistic...

[SupidSeep]

TIM's goal is the advancement of human. So, one of the simplest way to advance human's standing in the galaxy is to pull down everyone else - or let the Reapers stomp on them before kicking them into the nearest black hole (well, that's one guaranteed way to kill a Reaper at least).

So maybe TIM figures that, yes, the Reapers shall be defeated BUT if a Paragon Shepard has his/her way, every (or as many as possible) race will survive the Reapers together. Now that may not be what TIM wants.

TIM wants humans to come out as the only winners after this is over - so he will try to engineer the situation so that all except humans to suffer badly in the process so humans will emerge on top at the end.

And one of the biggest obstacles to this plan is (a Paragon) Shepard.

In this case, a Renegade Shepard out to put humanity at the top of the pile might not conflict with Ceberus ...

[HunterX6]

Clonedzero wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

TIMs been slowly indoctrinated ever since Evolutions. Eye's are proof.

how come no one else that was indoctrinated had funny eyes?

if you have a HD tv look at saren eyes closely in mass effect 1.

[Someone With Mass]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just another rogue cell. Because TIM can't keep those in check even if his life depended on it.

[InHarmsWay]

I thought ME Evolution was basically setting up that TIM is part Husk and therefore will be highly susceptible to Indoctrination, like Saren.

[HunterX6]

Mesina2 wrote...

Mass Effect Wiki wrote...

Many characters outside Cerberus say not to trust the Illusive Man; humorously, his voice actor Martin Sheen says in the Mass Effect 2 Documentary DVD that he would not trust the Illusive Man.

LMAO

lol nice XD well you guys should already know the answer now, CASE CLOSED! just admit it,illusive man cant be trusted.....since he is....well "illusive" after all

Modifié par HunterX6, 22 mai 2011 - 04:57 .

[Gterror]

 Watch and learn...
www.youtube.com/watch

[SupidSeep]

HunterX6 wrote...

lol nice XD well you guys should already know the answer now, CASE CLOSED! just admit it,illusive man cant be trusted.....since he is....well "illusive" after all

Actually, you can trust TIM on one point ...

Captain Jack Sparrow: Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest...  

[Porter98]

If it turns out to be that it is TIM going after Shepard I don't thik it will be because of indoctrination. Those reasons well become known in ME3. As it stands right now with the lore we have in the games and books it doesn't make sense for TIM to want to disrupt Shepard's efforts to save humanity - galaxy. I've speculated some crazy reasons as to why Cerberus is hunting Shepard, but I think that falls more in the realm of a fanfiction. In the end I have faith that BioWare will give us a good story as to what really is going on with TIM and Cerberus.

[Murmillos]

SupidSeep wrote...
...

And one of the biggest obstacles to this plan is (a Paragon) Shepard.

In this case, a Renegade Shepard out to put humanity at the top of the pile might not conflict with Ceberus ...

I think regardless of a Renegade or Paragon Shepard, both want to save the galaxy as much as possible. A Renegade Shepard may allow more to die in the end, but nether to me appear to have a Humans only mentality.

[SSJ5]

BL00D_B0TTLER wrote...

I'd like to think that the writers of ME3 would give us something better than the illusive man turning out to be (knowingly or unknowingly) indoctrinated by the reapers, since this conflicts with his motivations in ME2 and feels like a re-hash of Saren's character arc from ME1. However, unless they ass-pull a complete plot-twist at the 11th hour, this is what all the current evidence is pointing towards:

- TIM, Saren and the reaper husks all have glowing blue eyes (albeit to slightly different extents).
- TIM, Saren and the husks are all affected by reaper tech to some extent (revealed in ME evolution)
- Even though Saren retained free will for awhile he was slowly corrupted by reaper tech (and proxmity of Sovereign).
- TIM is fixated on accessing reaper tech (the collector base) and using it to advance humanity, despite knowing it can lead to indoctrination. Just as Saren wanted to get close to the reapers in order to bargain with them.
- Following bioware's seeming insistence that all renegade actions lead to 'bad' outcomes, it seems likely that saving  the collector base for TIM will only strengthen your enemies (the reapers) against you in ME3
 - In ME3 Cerberus is actively hunting Shepard even if you gave TIM the base as he asked.
- TIM is shown to have control over every aspect of Cerberus in ME2 so it's unlikely that his 'investors' have simply wrested control from his hands in ME3, as some have suggested.
- Therefore TIM is hunting Shepard. The only logical reason for this complete 180 in TIM's behaviour from ME2 to ME3 is that indoctrination has somehow increased with the approach of the reapers.

Hopefully I'm wrong about all this and there'll be a more interesting fate for TIM's character than simply

*ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL*
*two shots to the head*

But I'm not optimistic...

It really doesn't make any sense that he is indoctrinated. Why would he return Sheppard from the dead in the first place, and let him roam free? Secondly, why would he want to destroy an entire race of thralls which Reapers spent aeons perfecting? Why take the base? Why study Reaper technology? Do you see where I'm going with this? Saren had knowledge of the Reapers, and though that they could not be defeated, and thus tried to get on their good side. And Bioware stated outright that they will not be punishing Renegade choices.

Modifié par SSJ5, 22 mai 2011 - 10:41 .

[khordlambert]

I really am shocked that so many people didn't see this coming from a mile away. "A shadowy figure who has shown a highly manipulative streak and hires on xenophobic nutcases, alongside regular nutcases, with no clear goals beyond human dominance has decided to try and kill me now that I have given him what he wants? OMG! Who could've seen it coming!?"

I swear, you guys bought Miranda's "rogue cells" line hook, line, and sinker didn't you?

[Seboist]

khordlambert wrote...

I really am shocked that so many people didn't see this coming from a mile away. "A shadowy figure who has shown a highly manipulative streak and hires on xenophobic nutcases, alongside regular nutcases, with no clear goals beyond human dominance has decided to try and kill me now that I have given him what he wants? OMG! Who could've seen it coming!?"

I swear, you guys bought Miranda's "rogue cells" line hook, line, and sinker didn't you?

TIM saved humanity from the Collectors and greatly admires Shep.

[Dave of Canada]

khordlambert wrote...

I really am shocked that so many people didn't see this coming from a mile away. "A shadowy figure who has shown a highly manipulative streak and hires on xenophobic nutcases, alongside regular nutcases, with no clear goals beyond human dominance has decided to try and kill me now that I have given him what he wants? OMG! Who could've seen it coming!?"

With enough hyperbole, you can make everybody look bad.

[Dave of Canada]

HunterX6 wrote...

if you have a HD tv look at saren eyes closely in mass effect 1.

Does that mean my Renegade, who's eyes are identical to TIM's eyes, is indocrinated?

[khordlambert]

Dave of Canada wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

I really am shocked that so many people didn't see this coming from a mile away. "A shadowy figure who has shown a highly manipulative streak and hires on xenophobic nutcases, alongside regular nutcases, with no clear goals beyond human dominance has decided to try and kill me now that I have given him what he wants? OMG! Who could've seen it coming!?"

With enough hyperbole, you can make everybody look bad.

To bad with TIM there is not much need for hyperbole.