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[AK404]

Yeah, that's a retcon I have a hard time wrapping my head around. One of the issues I have with Cerberus is its scale and its strength (and conversely, the strength of the Alliance). According to EDI, Cerberus is run in cells, each cell knowing next-to-nothing about the others.

That being said, I have to wonder just how Cerberus can recruit an entire crew for a freighter, steal the Alliance's best pilot and some of their best engineers out from underneath their noses, run the Lazarus project to achieve the impossible while remaining hidden for two years, and still somehow dock a copy of a state-of-the-art warship in Citadel space without getting themselves detained.

And the thing that really boggles my mind is that this is all being overseen by one guy.  (Cue in totalitarianism against democracy, anyone?)

I also have to wonder just how fragile the Alliance really is, even after the events of ME1. As Laecraft has pointed out, it has a lot of foot soldiers. Not mercenaries, but true believers. While not all of them are Alliance defectors, many are.  WHY are they defecting?

As for technology developed by Cerberus, I doubt they're looking for the perfect coffee brewing omni tool. If one of TIM's goals was to fight the Reapers, most of the technology would be military in nature. I believe it was Cerberus who advised the Alliance to co-develop the original Normandy with the turians.

Modifié par AK404, 12 mai 2011 - 06:03 .

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AK404 wrote...

Yeah, that's a retcon I have a hard time wrapping my head around. One of the issues I have with Cerberus is its scale and its strength (and conversely, the strength of the Alliance). According to EDI, Cerberus is run in cells, each cell knowing next-to-nothing about the others.

That being said, I have to wonder just how Cerberus can recruit an entire crew for a freighter, steal the Alliance's best pilot and some of their best engineers out from underneath their noses, run the Lazarus project to achieve the impossible while remaining hidden for two years, and still somehow dock a copy of a state-of-the-art warship in Citadel space without getting themselves detained.

While do not think it is true, I think that Zulu's theory about Cerberus and its relationship with the Alliance is the best explanation.

Zulu's "they never went rogue" theory is the only one that makes sense at this point. The whole point of Cerberus in the first place was that they represented the dark side of the Alliance after all.

Modifié par Seboist, 12 mai 2011 - 06:10 .

[Elite Midget]

What was the point in saving and recruiting anyone but Tali and Garrus in ME2?

[lolwut666]

@AK404

Cerberus has operatives infiltrated everywhere. I'm sure there are a lot of people within the Alliance who would rather live in a galaxy ran by humans.

And you overestimate Cerberus' size. It's not like they have an army capable to rival the Alliance's.

Humanity has yet to benefit from anything Cerberus develops because the Alliance is not willing to endorse that kind of sick technology.

The Normandy was developed before Cerberus cut loose.

[Someone With Mass]

Elite Midget wrote...

What was the point in saving and recruiting anyone but Tali and Garrus in ME2?

Your butthurt is showing...

[Elite Midget]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

What was the point in saving and recruiting anyone but Tali and Garrus in ME2?

There wasn't any point to any of it. The entire game was just filler.

So we should all pretend that ME2 never happened and that only the ME1 Squaddies are all that matters in ME3?

[Seboist]

In retrospect it looks like TIM's whole issue with the Collectors was that they were Harbinger's preferred personal army and his Cerberus group wasn't.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh god, what if that turns out to be true?

I half-expect TIM to be smoking Marlboros and drinking bud light with Harbinger in ME3.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh god, what if that turns out to be true?

I'll laugh my ass off for starters.

[Savber100]

With the logic that ME2 is unneeded is like saying TT is unneeded for LOTR.

Seriously, take out TT in LOTR and have the story skip to Return, and in terms of plot, nothing really drastic would have changed except for perhaps Rohan's survival and finding Gollum just as you keep or destroy the Collector's Base, prevent a war between quarian and geth, find a cure for the genophage, and building the relationship between your crew in ME2. The second part in a FREAKING trilogy is always mostly there to set up and develop characters for the final act.

Also, just because Cerberus turns against you no matter what doesn't prove that the ending will therefore not diverge.

Who knows? Maybe you'll get to kill TIM in ME3 and take control of Cerberus. Then, you'll get your human-dominating galaxy after defeat of Reapers ending.

Modifié par Savber100, 12 mai 2011 - 06:38 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Cerberus was in ME2 so you could get to know them before you destroyed them. They thought that would be interesting.

But it also shows that the galaxy's salvation wouldn't just come from the percieved righteous groups.

Cerberus single-handedly kept the galaxy's chances for survival alive.

[Halo Quea]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...


So we should all pretend that ME2 never happened and that only the ME1 Squaddies are all that matters in ME3?

It looks that way, though I'm sure we'll have a sidequest that has to do with Miranda's sister.

Deal with the Miranda's sister and father.......................in the middle of a damned Reaper invasion?   Your guess is probably correct, but I don't think that's right.  I don't think that's right at all.  

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh god, what if that turns out to be true?

I half-expect TIM to be smoking Marlboros and drinking bud light with Harbinger in ME3.

Anything that chills "Mr Control" out is good.    Harbinger is a Reaper with serious personal issues.  

[Seboist]

A part of me wishes they made TIM into Miranda's father. I can totally picture him trying to have a bio-engineered clone daughter with strong biotic ability.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That he lets his daughter **** around in that outfit is disgusting.

Well, TIM is pretty amoral.

[Halo Quea]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Deal with the Miranda's sister and father.......................in the middle of a damned Reaper invasion?   Your guess is probably correct, but I don't think that's right.  I don't think that's right at all. 

Miranda's dad is an important person. So is Miranda, actually, especially considering the situation with Cerberus. So I don't think it is farfetched at all.

If confronting Miranda's father is actually connected to the main plot then I won't have a problem with it, like her father having some vital intel or technology against the Reapers.  But if it's something like what happened with Orianna in ME2 where they played "move the family" then no.  It just won't be right and it's not worth Shepard's time to play Dr Phil with his squad mates while Earth burns.  

[aimlessgun]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AK404 wrote...

Yeah, that's a retcon I have a hard time wrapping my head around. One of the issues I have with Cerberus is its scale and its strength (and conversely, the strength of the Alliance). According to EDI, Cerberus is run in cells, each cell knowing next-to-nothing about the others.

That being said, I have to wonder just how Cerberus can recruit an entire crew for a freighter, steal the Alliance's best pilot and some of their best engineers out from underneath their noses, run the Lazarus project to achieve the impossible while remaining hidden for two years, and still somehow dock a copy of a state-of-the-art warship in Citadel space without getting themselves detained.

While do not think it is true, I think that Zulu's theory about Cerberus and its relationship with the Alliance is the best explanation.

So does that mean that parts of the Alliance are coming after Shep in ME3?

[Ausstig]

Elite Midget wrote...

What was the point in saving and recruiting anyone but Tali and Garrus in ME2?

Cause Mordin is funny and Grunt is awesome, Also Zaeed and Kasumi are cool and Morinth was underused