142 réponses à ce sujet

[marshalleck]

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

How come a metallic human skeleton automatically = terminator?

Because it looks incredibly derivative of a fairly recognizable and iconic design? There's a reason so many people have that reaction

Please tell me.

I really want to see any connection between those 2 but metal human skeleton.

If you can't see it you're blind or willfully ignorant. There's nothing to tell, just look at the human-reaper hybrid and then google a picture of the T-800 terminator. 

[Iakus]

InvaderErl wrote...

I think if it hadn't looked like a skeleton it would have been fine, that was really my only issue with it. They dealt with it by confirming the Reaper-squid is a shell constructed around THAT which helps I suppose but I think it would have gone over MUCH better had it actually just been a squid-like shape.

Likely, this.

I mean, I would never have guessed it was a Reaper if it wasn't referred to in-game as such.  At best, I'd have figured it was some sort of super-husk being built for the coming invasion or something.  The appearance as a Reaper makes zero sense to me and I'm actually hoping that the reasoning will be explained in ME3.

As to why it's being referred to as "Space Terminator?"  Well, "Giant Three-Eyed Space Terminator" just doesn't roll off the tongue as easily

[darknoon5]

marshalleck wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

How come a metallic human skeleton automatically = terminator?

Because it looks incredibly derivative of a fairly recognizable and iconic design? There's a reason so many people have that reaction

Please tell me.

I really want to see any connection between those 2 but metal human skeleton.

If you can't see it you're blind or willfully ignorant. There's nothing to tell, just look at the human-reaper hybrid and then google a picture of the T-800 terminator. 

My point is the design isn't original at all, it's literally a metal skeleton underneath a outer human body, which I'm pretty sure is used in other sci-fi's.

[Phaedon]

iakus wrote...
I mean, I would never have guessed it was a Reaper if it wasn't referred to in-game as such.  At best, I'd have figured it was some sort of super-husk being built for the coming invasion or something.  The appearance as a Reaper makes zero sense to me and I'm actually hoping that the reasoning will be explained in ME3.

Well:
a) EDI says that the lavra is placed inside the exoskeleton.
Harbinger says "We'll find another way" and starts moving from dark space.

The plot doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

[marshalleck]

darknoon5 wrote...
My point is the design isn't original at all, it's literally a metal skeleton underneath a outer human body, which I'm pretty sure is used in other sci-fi's. 

Ah, I see. Well I would say people probably default to Terminator references specifically because the films were huge, especially the second.

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 mai 2011 - 08:43 .

[TrumpetzGuy55]

I swear to god. If the Reapers are here to "Save our planets from us" as some Global Warming pull....I will never play the series again. "The reapers know the humans will inevitably kill all the trees! we need to kill everyone before they use too much gasoline!"

[Phaedon]

TrumpetzGuy55 wrote...

I swear to god. If the Reapers are here to "Save our planets from us" as some Global Warming pull....I will never play the series again. "The reapers know the humans will inevitably kill all the trees! we need to kill everyone before they use too much gasoline!"

Well they do seem to have something about organic evolution.

Am I the only one who noticed that? Sovereign seems to center his speech around it, hmm.

Modifié par Phaedon, 13 mai 2011 - 08:52 .

[Haventh]

 Fair enough. I have a different opinion though, i would prefer it if they made the Reapers motivations clear. 

[InvaderErl]

Phaedon wrote...

TrumpetzGuy55 wrote...

I
swear to god. If the Reapers are here to "Save our planets from us" as
some Global Warming pull....I will never play the series again. "The
reapers know the humans will inevitably kill all the trees! we need to
kill everyone before they use too much gasoline!"

Well they do seem to have something about organic evolution.

Am I the only one who noticed that? Sovereign seems to center his speech around it, hmm.

The Reaper's don't seem to strike me as environmentally conscious. It seems that they busted up some planets pretty badly during previous cycles.That and the ME galaxy doesn't really strike me as the kind of urban dystopia that would provoke that kind of reaction.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 13 mai 2011 - 08:59 .

[TrumpetzGuy55]

InvaderErl wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

TrumpetzGuy55 wrote...

I
swear to god. If the Reapers are here to "Save our planets from us" as
some Global Warming pull....I will never play the series again. "The
reapers know the humans will inevitably kill all the trees! we need to
kill everyone before they use too much gasoline!"

Well they do seem to have something about organic evolution.

Am I the only one who noticed that? Sovereign seems to center his speech around it, hmm.

The Reaper's don't seem to strike me as environmentally conscious. It seems that they busted up some planets pretty badly during previous cycles.That and the ME galaxy doesn't really strike me as the kind of urban dystopia that would provoke that kind of reaction.

True. Just something that ran through my mind at one point. It would cheapen the entire game IMO.

[Nohvarr]

I disagree with the OP. The Reapers have survived this long by hiding in shadow, cloaking themselves in mysteries and lies until it's far to late to stop them. Now the light of truth is shining, their cloak is being stripped away, and soon the lies they have spun shall be proven to all. They are (and soon to be 'were') villains with an excellent PR/advertising machine and one good (perhaps 2) plan(s).

In ME 1 we halted their first and best plan, in ME 2 we ended their attempt to craft a new Reaper as well as ended their attempt to strike a serious blow against humanity. Now it's time to show them for the lying cowards they really are, before they are swept aside.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 13 mai 2011 - 09:09 .

[darknoon5]

marshalleck wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
My point
is the design isn't original at all, it's literally a metal skeleton
underneath a outer human body, which I'm pretty sure is used in other
sci-fi's. 

Ah, I see. Well I would say people probably
default to Terminator references specifically because the films were
huge, especially the second.

Fair enough. My main problem is
people speak as if Bioware stole the appearance from the terminator
films, which really isn't fair.

[Barackus2]

I disagree with the OP. I think a major theme in the game is trying to stop the cycle of extinction, if this is left unanswered I'll be kind of peeved lol. Besides I always figured this story is being told from the perspective of someone way after these events arguing "no no he was a badass" or "no he was a peacemaker" "a perfect soldier" "strong biotic" lol. Which would explain why there are such varying interpretations of the character.

[Giantdeathrobot]

 I understand what you mean OP. But I do not want this to go the Half-Life or Lost route when, even after 4 or five games/seasons, the player/viewer still has no idea of what is going on. That's lazy writing, and a bit of an insult to the user in that he is supposed to just hold his suspension of disbelief through all the wacky stuff that happens and go along with it without asking questions so that the writers don't need to give answers.

Also, what Sovereign says is nowhere near the truth. He proclaims we are insignificant, and yet we puny humans blow up his ass a few hours later. What he or Harbinger say are just boasts and vain taunts. It works very well for the first confrontation, but after we have ascertained they can be defeated (and, let's face it, almost certainly will be in ME3), trying to portray them as oh so mysterious and powerful doesn't work nearly as well. We don't need a detailed timeline of their origin, but I want to know how they came into being, or failing that what the hell motivates this whole cycle of extermination thingie.

[Iakus]

Phaedon wrote...

iakus wrote...
I mean, I would never have guessed it was a Reaper if it wasn't referred to in-game as such.  At best, I'd have figured it was some sort of super-husk being built for the coming invasion or something.  The appearance as a Reaper makes zero sense to me and I'm actually hoping that the reasoning will be explained in ME3.

Well:
a) EDI says that the lavra is placed inside the exoskeleton.
Harbinger says "We'll find another way" and starts moving from dark space.

The plot doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

A) I don't recall EDI ever saying that.  Only that it was an embryonic Reaper.  Granted I have not done as many playthroughs as some have.

  Another way to...?  But this probably isn't the thread for that discusion

At any rate, I'm willing to accept them as techno-organic constructs.  I'm just saying that their 'true" appearance makes no sense ATM, and that's one secret I hope gets revealed in ME3.

Similarly the fact that they are partly based on the genetic material of other creatures, and are in part synthetic makes it pretty clear that they were made by something else, something "not-Reaper".  That tells me that their story is not based entrely on the periodic cycle of destruction, that's just the current chapter.  There was more to the Shadows and the Vorlons than periodically kicking over anthills, I hope we get told more about the Reapers as well.

[AlanC9]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Death is beyond our comprehension, non-existence.

What's hard to comprehend? Same universe as it was a minute ago, just no you in it.

Do you know how it feels to not exist?

Don't be silly. When you don't exist, there's no you to feel anything. Unless you're talking about some sort of afterlife, but surely that's a kind of existence

Please, you surely can't claim to be able to comprehend everything in the universe, that science is the only barrier. Tell me how it feels like to be omniscient. Science is but a tool we made to understand the world better, to understand the world fro OUR perspective, with OUR tools life and evolution gave us. There's things that will always be out of reach because our existence doesn't allow us to experience particular things. It's like, try to explain what's sight to someone who never saw anything. You won't succeed. Even some of the brighest minds admit there's things we'll never know, that's because we are a product of luck and evolution, a specific assembly of atoms that allows us specific things. Some animals know how to react to ultrasounds, others can see in colour. Our understanding is limited by our physical boundaries.

Well, I've got a certain sympathy for that old Wittgenstein argument. 

I think we're using "comprehend" differently. I can't know what it feels like to be a dolphin, sure. But I certainly can know the capabilities and limitations of dolphin sonar. Throush, you know, science.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Maybe the death thing wasn't the best of examples, but it's still something hard to grasp, else we wouldn't have all these religions to give it a meaning or continuation. I don't believe in an afterlife, but that's still something hard to get your head around.

Even if you know the capabilities and limitations of dolphin sonar, you still can't understand how it feels to use it. A blind men can't comprehend what is sight. When the Reapers say there's things we can't comprehend, I always thought it was about their existence. It's very possible that the Reapers don't exist on the same level as us, that their existence is almost totally incomprehensible to us, as you wouldn't understand the existence of a god. You can't put words to try to describe things, like omnipotent and omniscient, but you can't do much with that, it doesn't explain all that much since you have no idea how it works and how it feels like.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by comprehend then.

[Zamnil Blackaxe]

BattleRaptor wrote...

BREAKDANCING!!!

Its Breakdancing!!!

The Reapers Masters Conducted time portal experiments and they saw a time in which humans invented BREAKDANCING.

This footage was uploaded into the SHIP for processing.. which was what we call reapers...
It tried to determine the point of breakdancing.. and failed.. it linked up with mutiple other reapers.. and they failed....

As the madness spread they ultimately started killing all life... in an attempt to stop the invention of breakdancing.

You think I joke?

What is the point of BreakDancing? hmmm?

Sick moves, Addidas shelltoes, tracksuites and fly honies marveling at your sick moves?

****, that's why I got into it at least.