I presume I'm not the first to point this out, but I just started playing ME2, and what's with the IIlusive Man smoking? So 20th-Century cliché. One would think such silly vices would be phased out in the distant future. (To be replaced with more sophisticated ones of course...)
What springs to mind is: the tobacco industry helped sponsor this game. Really a turn-off. I've seen so many people suffer from the effects of smoking, it bothers me. I know these games are meant for adults and address many controversial real-life issues, but IMHO smoking is something really bad that even adult-oriented games shouldn't promote, no matter what. Like pedophilia. Seeing this guy constantly smoking subliminally induces the vice in younger people, and it may also affect someone who's trying to quit.
I know I might receive some flame over this, but I had to say it. Just my $0.02.
Smoke?
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Caralampio
, mai 11 2011 04:13
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:17
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How do you know there's tobacco in that cig?
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:19
SSJ5
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Raging people sponsored the game.CC-Tron wrote...
Do you feel the same way about violence?
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:21
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Mass Effect has had themes of racism, murder, and drug abuse. Acknowledging these things exist is hardly promoting them. Didn't realize the leader of a terrorist organization was supposed to be the role model figure anyway. >>
(so not sure if op's serious)
(so not sure if op's serious)
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:23
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OH my god!You get a new complain every hour in these forums...I'm beggining to think that's unhealthier than smoking....
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:26
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oh yes the same could be said about all the shooting and cursing..... jesus
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:28
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You're also assuming that smoking is bad for your health IN THE FUTURE. For all we know, cloned organs are cheap enough that the Illusive Man can just get a pair of fresh lungs from his HMO after smoking an entire carton of cigs.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:30
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It would be a boring game if every character was a bunch of goody two shoe pacifists eating salads and participating in non-violent protests againt things like tabacco.
... Too much?
Certain details like smoking, drinking make the characters more human. I don't see how it promotes said things, unless you're a little kid playing the game thinking: "Woah!! Smoking, alcohol, and violence! Cool!"
... Too much?
Certain details like smoking, drinking make the characters more human. I don't see how it promotes said things, unless you're a little kid playing the game thinking: "Woah!! Smoking, alcohol, and violence! Cool!"
Modifié par Maderek, 11 mai 2011 - 04:32 .
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:32
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For Christ's sake...
The game is filled and filled with violence (many of it senseless) and you are complaining because someone appears to be smoking a cigarette?
Jesus Christ. Here we go...
Anyway, to answer your **** question, no I don't think smoking will completely disappear in a few hundreds years. It will become rarer and rarer, but it will always exist. Who says he was even smoking tobacco? Who says in the future smoking is still harmful?
The game is filled and filled with violence (many of it senseless) and you are complaining because someone appears to be smoking a cigarette?
Jesus Christ. Here we go...
Anyway, to answer your **** question, no I don't think smoking will completely disappear in a few hundreds years. It will become rarer and rarer, but it will always exist. Who says he was even smoking tobacco? Who says in the future smoking is still harmful?
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 04:33
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aimlessgun wrote...
How do you know there's tobacco in that cig?
This^. But really as much as smoking, drugs, alchohal, etc, are popular vices in our time, I would expect in the future it to be even worse and seeing how mass effect has so many other alien races, they probably have their own forms of drugs and what not. Just being real, its not like the % of people smoking has decreased in the last decade
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 05:24
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Smoking not okay, but Alcohol, Violence and Sex are just fine.
So how is the view of your own prostate from inside your ass?
So how is the view of your own prostate from inside your ass?
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 05:27
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"Where there is Smoke, there is Fire!"
-Smoke (Mortal Kombat)
-Smoke (Mortal Kombat)
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 02:46
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Yeah yeah I saw all this coming. But in case you didn't read my OP, this is not a moral content complaint, it's about subliminally promoting smoking in players in the real world. Same as Hollywood. They cooperated with the world health trend and for a number of years they didn't show actors and actresses smoking in any movie. This didn't mean nobody was smoking in the real world, or the actors themselves behind scenes, it was just a way to help with the world effort to reduce smoking. More recently smoking reappeared in movies, no doubt after a lot of pre$$ure from the tobacco industry.
Smoking isn't "good" or "bad" it's just extremely unhealthy. It negatively affects just about every organ in your body. It's something that needs to be dealt with in society, like pollution or overpopulation. Presenting a chain smoker in a game, even zooming in on his cigarrette, it's a subliminal way of promoting it. Come on this is a well known fact, it's not like I discovered wet water here.
Smoking isn't "good" or "bad" it's just extremely unhealthy. It negatively affects just about every organ in your body. It's something that needs to be dealt with in society, like pollution or overpopulation. Presenting a chain smoker in a game, even zooming in on his cigarrette, it's a subliminal way of promoting it. Come on this is a well known fact, it's not like I discovered wet water here.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 02:54
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well maybe they cured all the issues with smoking and he does it because he likes it?
its a physical characteristic to show that he has vices. to show he's a sinister character. they show him drinking alot too, is that an issue? often in movies/tvshows and such characters smoke not to promote smoking but to portray a flaw in a visual way.
TIM is a sinister, manipulative dangerous character. him smoking is a visual way to represent that.
its a physical characteristic to show that he has vices. to show he's a sinister character. they show him drinking alot too, is that an issue? often in movies/tvshows and such characters smoke not to promote smoking but to portray a flaw in a visual way.
TIM is a sinister, manipulative dangerous character. him smoking is a visual way to represent that.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 02:56
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The tobacco industry sponsored the game? I never heard that one before.
It's a pretty poor promotion for smoking anyway. The whole situation reminds me more of the cancer man in the X-Files than anything else. Seems more like a villain with something to hide than a person who's cool because he smokes.
It's also out of place. I don't remember seeing anyone else smoke in the Mass Effect universe. That part may have been their intention though.
It's a pretty poor promotion for smoking anyway. The whole situation reminds me more of the cancer man in the X-Files than anything else. Seems more like a villain with something to hide than a person who's cool because he smokes.
It's also out of place. I don't remember seeing anyone else smoke in the Mass Effect universe. That part may have been their intention though.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 02:57
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Rated M for mature, peoples are moralless, they smoke, have sex and fights for the lulz of fighting... You don't like that ? Here's a Wii and Mario Galaxy 2.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 02:59
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It's pointed out in the novels that they've removed the hazardous substances from the tobacco, so I see no harm in smoking in Mass Effect.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 03:03
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plus in current society smoking is fairly looked down on.
i know its a huge turnoff for me when i find out a girl smokes.
my ex smoked so she always tasted like an ashtray
i know its a huge turnoff for me when i find out a girl smokes.
my ex smoked so she always tasted like an ashtray
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 03:08
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Clonedzero wrote...
plus in current society smoking is fairly looked down on.
i know its a huge turnoff for me when i find out a girl smokes.
my ex smoked so she always tasted like an ashtray
yeah but we're talking about the leader of a racist terrorist association who have unlimited funds... I think it is fear that he smokes, he's an Anti-hero (until ME3), he do some bad stuff but it's for the greater good.. he's D4rK but he has a heart of gold...
plus, Smoking diminishes stress... If I was the leader of a racist terrorist association who have unlimited funds and who ressurected a war hero because you want to get rid of an ancient specie living passing through an unusable passage because they work for another ancient specie who comes from dark space and wants to destroy the world for the Lulz... well I'd be stressed too...
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 03:45
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Assuming the OP is serious, if someone is dumb enough to let themselves be influenced by fictional smoking then we might as well let them get lung cancer. We'd be doing the human genome a favor.
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Posté 11 mai 2011 - 03:54
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Asking the entertainment industry to police the choices of free-thinking people is just pointless. The activities portrayed in any medium, no matter how terrible, are expressions of what goes on in the real world every day. To try and avoid ever talking, thinking, showing them...you weaken society.
They happen. Therefore they must be expressed, if tactfully.
They happen. Therefore they must be expressed, if tactfully.
