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[BattleRaptor]

I am Pro Smoking.
If people want to kill themselves they should be allowed too.

I am Anti-Assistance to people that smoke, drink, take drugs, or are otherwise a burden.

Once they need help they should be refused service at Hospitals.

I like my Real Life much like my MassEffect.

Choices have Consequences.

[WeWant]

Solid Snake was here.

Ah, and the end of ME1 promotes suicide.

[BattleRaptor]

Suicide...
I took it as a Ecological message on how to reduce the effects of
Overpopulation.

Infact almost all of ME1 and 2 was a message in ways to reduce population density problems on Habitable worlds.

[Inutaisho7996]

The traditional health risks associated with smoking were no longer a concern in the twenty-second century; advances in the fields of chemistry and medicinal science had eradicated diseases like emphysema and cancer.

-Mass Effect: Retribution.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 11 mai 2011 - 10:56 .

[didymos1120]

aimlessgun wrote...

How do you know there's tobacco in that cig?

Read Retribution. TIM sees tobacco use as a unique part of human culture. He even insists his smokes use Earth-grown tobacco.

[Homey C-Dawg]

hroughout the entertainment industry bad guys smoke. It's a pretty standard convention. TIM is a bad guy so...

Also maybe the other smokers weren't smoking tobacco. Perhaps it was Batarian chronic, we don't know.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 11 mai 2011 - 11:14 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

dbl post

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 11 mai 2011 - 11:13 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

I actually like that TIM smoked. It was a small thing, but it made him feel more human to me.

Along with the idea of 'promoting smoking', the game is meant for adults. The only risk in influencing behavior would be to children who are playing, and that is up to the parent.

[evmiller]

Clonedzero wrote...

well maybe they cured all the issues with smoking and he does it because he likes it?

its a physical characteristic to show that he has vices. to show he's a sinister character. they show him drinking alot too, is that an issue? often in movies/tvshows and such characters smoke not to promote smoking but to portray a flaw in a visual way.

TIM is a sinister, manipulative dangerous character. him smoking is a visual way to represent that.

This is exactly the case and was covered in the second novel when TIM was introduced. Cancer and liver disease have been arracticated so that's no longer an incentive to not smoke. TIM picked up the vise because becasue he's weathy and can afford this habit which is now VERY expensive. He even forgos the synthetic swill that usually passes for wiskey and has the real stuff imported from Kentuky/Tenn. Can't remember if it was Jim or Jack but it was one of the two. The books and the game definately make TIM sound pretty cool, but keep in mind the game is rated M 17+ so children shouldn't be allowed to play the game if your worried about TIM's bad habits influenceing your kids.

[Hatchetman77]

I want my renegade Shepard to smoke cigars.  After he blows up Harbringer he'll be walking away from the explosion in slow motion with a cigar in his mouth and resting his rifle over his shoulder.

Modifié par Hatchetman77, 12 mai 2011 - 01:50 .

[PsychoWARD23]

Haristo wrote...

Rated M for mature, peoples are moralless, they smoke, have sex and fights for the lulz of fighting... You don't like that ? Here's a Wii and Mario Galaxy 2.

Don't be hatin on SMG2

[theSteeeeeels]

Caralampio wrote...

Smoking isn't "good" or "bad" it's just extremely unhealthy. It negatively affects just about every organ in your body. It's something that needs to be dealt with in society, like pollution or overpopulation. Presenting a chain smoker in a game, even zooming in on his cigarrette, it's a subliminal way of promoting it. Come on this is a well known fact, it's not like I discovered wet water here.

no, youre just a ******

smoking is like pollution over population? smoking is an individuals choice that doesnt effect anyone ( thats more true now the public ban has kicked in). how about we ban alchohol, actually lets just close down all fast food shops while we're at it

it is not a subliminal "this is cool message". just because the tobacco companies have used this technique doesnt mean everything with a close up of someone smoking is subliminally promoting cigerettes.

[Chuvvy]

[nickkcin11]

Caralampio wrote...

I presume I'm not the first to point this out, but I just started playing ME2, and what's with the IIlusive Man smoking? So 20th-Century cliché. One would think such silly vices would be phased out in the distant future. (To be replaced with more sophisticated ones of course...)
 
What springs to mind is: the tobacco industry helped sponsor this game. Really a turn-off. I've seen so many people suffer from the effects of smoking, it bothers me. I know these games are meant for adults and address many controversial real-life issues, but IMHO smoking is something really bad that even adult-oriented games shouldn't promote, no matter what. Like pedophilia. Seeing this guy constantly smoking subliminally induces the vice in younger people, and it may also affect someone who's trying to quit. 

I know I might receive some flame over this, but I had to say it. Just my $0.02. 

He was smoking medi gel or omni gell. You never know, it's the future. And stop with your whole "If an evil smokes and a kid sees it he will think it is good to smoke!!!!" No. No one would think that unless they are the most guillible, easily manipulated, buys crap from TV commercials type person.


And just because its in there doesn't mean BW is funded by Malburo. There are terrorists in the game, does that mean that Osama left BW in his will. Or does the fact that there are aliens in this game prove that the Area 51 inhabitants want media coverage?

Modifié par nickkcin11, 12 mai 2011 - 05:34 .

[AK404]

Ex-smoker here.

Technical explanation: Chance to play around with the lighting and smoke effects.

Character explanation: Give TIM something to do with his hands than just read reports or clench his chair. One thing to notice is that TIM never reads from a datapad in front of Shep: he's memorized all that crap already. In addition, it gives him some much-needed swagger: read his profile under the Shadow Broker: he's been running Cerberus for nearly as long as Shepard's been alive.

It makes him look casual.  Why should he care if he smells like an ashtray?  He's an ashtray that happens to be a multi-billionaire who smokes four times a day, drinks seven shots of whiskey, buys bespoke suits, bangs the hottest women in the galaxy, plays perfect rounds of skyball, leads a terrorist organization, and manipulates one of the most dangerous people in the galaxy to do his bidding.

Suck on THAT while TIM lights up another.

Oh, and read his origin story sometime: he's a baller, and he makes everyone know it, even if they don't know his name.

Smoking is no longer harmful to human health. Considering how good pulling in a smoke feels, this is a good thing. I'm surprised he limits himself to four a day.  Hell, given that it's TIM, I don't think he'd even care if smoking gave him cancer: he's just have his diseased lungs taken out to be carved into a new ashtray while he buys himself a fresh new set.

Modifié par AK404, 12 mai 2011 - 05:48 .

[nickkcin11]

Plus it makes TIM iconic. I remember TIM's voice, habit of smoking or drinking, and the way he sits. That is what makes TIM TIM!

[CroGamer002]

didymos1120 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

How do you know there's tobacco in that cig?

Read Retribution. TIM sees tobacco use as a unique part of human culture. He even insists his smokes use Earth-grown tobacco.

That's the reason why TIM joined the Reapers!

So he can get his smokes.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

I think cigarettes are cool in a film-noire kind of way... but only in my entertainment. In real life, it's just too disgusting to even consider starting. It's one of those vices that should only be enjoyed from a distance (ie. appreciating the imagery, but damning the act).

[Katamariguy]

Maderek wrote...

It would be a boring game if every character was a bunch of goody two shoe pacifists eating salads and participating in non-violent protests againt things like tabacco.

... Too much?

Certain details like smoking, drinking make the characters more human. I don't see how it promotes said things, unless you're a little kid playing the game thinking: "Woah!! Smoking, alcohol, and violence! Cool!"

According to Ascension, health concerns from tobacco are practically nil due to advanced medicine.

[Images]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I think cigarettes are cool in a film-noire kind of way... but only in my entertainment. In real life, it's just too disgusting to even consider starting. It's one of those vices that should only be enjoyed from a distance (ie. appreciating the imagery, but damning the act).

Glad to know I disgust you and that my actions should be damned.

I'm a smoker and though I may give up when I'm having kids I ENJOY it. People aren't just mindless slaves to it, they LIKE doing it.

I agree with the book's statement of the illusive man's opinion that smoking is something ancient and important in the evolvement of human interaction, from peace pipes in the Native American tribes, to hookahs in the middle east, to the cigar at a wedding and a baby's birth, to the late night cigarettes filling a room during an argument in the war room of the white house. It has a connection to how we interact wit the world. Is it a good habit? Hell no. Neither is drinking, which I enjoy too (aren't I disgusting) and is also a major part of socializing for several cultures including my own beloved British pub mentality. People disagree with both these habits but people still enjoy them and feel that they shouldn't be told what to do with themselves.

This is at the core of Illusive Man's character, he cannot and will not be told what to do by anyone. He will enjoy and celebrate what is part of human existence and culture with no limits to the purity of the act, going as far as to get the tobacco and whisky from its original sources.

The fact that they are both now harmless in the ME future also helps. No matter how DISGUSTING we smokers are, I'm pretty sure a hell of a lot more of us would exist if there was no health gamble. If that wasn't true, then non-smokers wouldn't constantly try to bum smokes off me every time alcohol has caused their inhibitions to slide.

Modifié par Images, 12 mai 2011 - 08:09 .

[Nashiktal]

Images wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I think cigarettes are cool in a film-noire kind of way... but only in my entertainment. In real life, it's just too disgusting to even consider starting. It's one of those vices that should only be enjoyed from a distance (ie. appreciating the imagery, but damning the act).

Glad to know I disgust you and that my actions should be damned.

I'm a smoker and though I may give up when I'm having kids I ENJOY it. People aren't just mindless slaves to it, they LIKE doing it.

I agree with the book's statement of the illusive man's opinion that smoking is something ancient and important in the evolvement of human interaction, from peace pipes in the Native American tribes, to hookahs in the middle east, to the cigar at a wedding and a baby's birth, to the late night cigarettes filling a room during an argument in the war room of the white house. It has a connection to how we interact wit the world. Is it a good habit? Hell no. Neither is drinking, which I enjoy too (aren't I disgusting) and is also a major part of socializing for several cultures including my own beloved British pub mentality. People disagree with both these habits but people still enjoy them and feel that they shouldn't be told what to do with themselves.

This is at the core of Illusive Man's character, he cannot and will not be told what to do by anyone. He will enjoy and celebrate what is part of human existence and culture with no limits to the purity of the act, going as far as to get the tobacco and whisky from its original sources.

The fact that they are both now harmless in the ME future also helps. No matter how DISGUSTING we smokers are, I'm pretty sure a hell of a lot more of us would exist if there was no health gamble. If that wasn't true, then non-smokers wouldn't constantly try to bum smokes off me every time alcohol has caused their inhibitions to slide.

If there was no health risk, and they didn't cost so damn much, (they wouldnt if there were less health risks, but off topic there) I would definately smoke. I grew up around smokers, and my dad loved cigars. However losing family to cancer doesn't promote smoking very well. (To me personally I mean)

[AtreiyaN7]

Nicotine and coffee may well have their hooks in us for the next few hundred years, barring more addictive addictions. Even in the future in which ME exists, they have illicit drugs. I suspect that cigarettes are the least of anyone's problems.

[scottelite]

I would say thats the least of his faults.

[Phategod1]

Haristo wrote...

Rated M for mature, peoples are moralless, they smoke, have sex and fights for the lulz of fighting... You don't like that ? Here's a Wii and Mario Galaxy 2.

Exactly welcome to 'merica bub if it bothers you that much Don't play it and send an angry E-mail to Bioware but honestly between Cursing, violence, and sex its a little smoking that offends you? what is this the 80's. Its M rated therefore everythings up for grabs And if you cant handle digital being enjoying a spliff you got bigger problems and need to et back to the patch. 

[HerrRudi]

As far as I remember, TIM (would be awesome if his first name actually was tim!) isn't the only one who's smoking - that batarian mechanic during garrus' recruiting mission smokes a cigar as well - heck, so does Harret/Harrot/forgot his name, the elcor vendor on Omega. To be honest, I wouldn't call having 3 out of all the npc's you can encounter being very...convincing that smoking is a hip thing to do.

On a further note, the game has a rating for a reason - it's rated M. As for being sponsored by the tobacco industry - what is this, the 80s?
And yeah, I probably had more constructive things to say but I forgot, so I'll leave it with this