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[HerrRudi]

Phategod1 wrote...

Exactly welcome to 'merica bub if it bothers you that much Don't play it and send an angry E-mail to Bioware but honestly between Cursing, violence, and sex its a little smoking that offends you? what is this the 80's. Its M rated therefore everythings up for grabs And if you cant handle digital being enjoying a spliff you got bigger problems and need to et back to the patch. 

Yeah, should have read this first before replying myself

[M-Sinistrari]

Images wrote...

Glad to know I disgust you and that my actions should be damned.

I'm a smoker and though I may give up when I'm having kids I ENJOY it. People aren't just mindless slaves to it, they LIKE doing it.

I agree with the book's statement of the illusive man's opinion that smoking is something ancient and important in the evolvement of human interaction, from peace pipes in the Native American tribes, to hookahs in the middle east, to the cigar at a wedding and a baby's birth, to the late night cigarettes filling a room during an argument in the war room of the white house. It has a connection to how we interact wit the world. Is it a good habit? Hell no. Neither is drinking, which I enjoy too (aren't I disgusting) and is also a major part of socializing for several cultures including my own beloved British pub mentality. People disagree with both these habits but people still enjoy them and feel that they shouldn't be told what to do with themselves.

This is at the core of Illusive Man's character, he cannot and will not be told what to do by anyone. He will enjoy and celebrate what is part of human existence and culture with no limits to the purity of the act, going as far as to get the tobacco and whisky from its original sources.

The fact that they are both now harmless in the ME future also helps. No matter how DISGUSTING we smokers are, I'm pretty sure a hell of a lot more of us would exist if there was no health gamble. If that wasn't true, then non-smokers wouldn't constantly try to bum smokes off me every time alcohol has caused their inhibitions to slide.

You must be a seasoned veteran of the assorted smoking debates.  I'm impressed.

You did hit on some key points that easily get overlooked.  Me, I'm a smoker, and I grew up around family with easy 2 pack a day habits with some having started when they were 10.  Yet despite being around all these smokers, I didn't start until I was in my late 30s, and it's about 5 cigs a day tops.  You'd think I would've started sooner in light of the misconception of being around it so much somehow imparts the mental compulsion.  Hell, I'm even surprised no one's died from cancer or got emphysema yet.

But that misconception abounds even in other things.  Listen to heavy metal music and it turns you into a Satanist.  Watch too many fast food commercials and you're almost hypnotized to immediately run out to the nearest crappy burger joint.  Play violent video games and they you into a homicidal maniac ready to kill at the blink of an eye...etc...

Really, listening to heavy metal just lead to the start of hearing loss, fast food commercials at the most just have me turning the channel much less getting out of my chair, and working retail for as long as I did probably contributed to any violent urges I've had more than any videogame beyond kvetching at  a difficult part.

I swear, it's like some can't comprehend that free will thing and that it's going to mean some doing something they can't stand.  They'll kick up thier fusses, push through enough bans and legislations, demand all portrayals be stricken from the public eye, but it still boils down to if people want to do something, they will until they decide on thier own to stop.

[MrGone]

You know what's weird though? You'd think that maybe in the future some new method of smoking would have been devised. Like in Watchmen. Where they smoked those weird ball-pipe things.

[M-Sinistrari]

MrGone wrote...

You know what's weird though? You'd think that maybe in the future some new method of smoking would have been devised. Like in Watchmen. Where they smoked those weird ball-pipe things.

Currently there are e-cigs.  The nicotine's in a water solution that's loaded into the cig device.  No need for a lighter, no dangers of second hand smoke or additives, and studies so far have shown those who use the e-cig actually smoke less and often are able to quit easier than with the patch or gum methods.

[wangan]

To be honest I started smoking because I saw how cool TIM looks when he smokes.

Modifié par wangan, 12 mai 2011 - 09:55 .

[lawp79]

As others have said there are no risks to smoking in the mass effect universe, however there is still no known cure for passive boredom.

[XyleJKH]

Really? There is a thead about this? The tobacco industry sponsored mass effect? F off

[Nimrodell]

Caralampio wrote...

Yeah yeah I saw all this coming. But in case you didn't read my OP, this is not a moral content complaint, it's about subliminally promoting smoking in players in the real world. Same as Hollywood. They cooperated with the world health trend and for a number of years they didn't show actors and actresses smoking in any movie. This didn't mean nobody was smoking in the real world, or the actors themselves behind scenes, it was just a way to help with the world effort to reduce smoking. More recently smoking reappeared in movies, no doubt after a lot of pre$$ure from the tobacco industry.

Smoking isn't "good" or "bad" it's just extremely unhealthy. It negatively affects just about every organ in your body. It's something that needs to be dealt with in society, like pollution or overpopulation. Presenting a chain smoker in a game, even zooming in on his cigarrette, it's a subliminal way of promoting it. Come on this is a well known fact, it's not like I discovered wet water here.

Read the Retribution, there's whole passage on TIM's smoking and how he's still able to smoke good old tobacco. There's even more information on Earth's society stand on smokers and how can one still have that habit without negative things. And, no, there are no subliminal promotions or messages behind that, or we could say that about anything that happens in ME universe. You don't like TIM smoking, well, just imagine he's hoding huge healty carrot in his mouth and everything will be just fine... Oh, or maybe you felt an urge to light a cigarette just 'cause you so him smoking? Yes, that was BWs intent, to send hidden messages about somking. What's next - if you look at asari scalp under certain angle you'll see three sixes or something?  

[Wulfram]

It's how you can tell TIM is evil.

[rogermacarios]

I think that in one of the books, Retribuition if I remember correct, they say that smoke isn't that unhealthy anymore in those days, actually it has almost any bad effect.

Modifié par rogermacarios, 12 mai 2011 - 06:45 .

[Chuvvy]

rogermacarios wrote...

I think that in one of the books, Retribuition if I remember correct, they say that smoke isn't that unhealthy anymore in those days, actually it has almost any bad effect.

Yeah, because they took out the 599 (not kidding) chemicals that are in cigarettes. Nicotine and Tobbaco aren't that bad for it's the cyanide (again, not kidding) and everything else they put in that ****s with you.

Course the smoke isn't that great for you either.

Modifié par Slidell505, 12 mai 2011 - 07:28 .