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[The Elder King]

We know after the article on the Xbox World Magazine that we'll have a smaller group of squad members in ME3. Since Liara, VS, Garrus, Tali and James Vega are confirmed as squad members, I'm thinking about which squad members of ME2 could return in ME3 as permanent squad members.
In my opinion Samara/Morinth, Thane, Zaeed, Kasumi, Legion and Mordin will not be permanent squad members . Tali and Garrus are already confirmed, so Miranda, Jacob, Jack, and Grunt remain. I don't think that all this four will return because we'll have 9 squad member with them, and it seems to me not much different to having 12 squad members, though I hope that they'll return. Jack seems the more plausible returning for the info we had in the past weeks about her.
So I create this thread to speculate about the other members of the ME2 team. I didn't see another thread about this. If there is already another, close it.

Modifié par hhh89, 11 mai 2011 - 10:56 .

[Lancelot Albion]

I really wish Mordin, Kasumi, Jack, and Thane got to be full time members out of all the new ME2 squad members I've enjoyed talking to them the most.

[JukeFrog]

I agree that Kasumi and Zaeed won't be permanent squad members (b/c of their DLC status). I also agree that  Mordin won't be a permanent squad member, however, I think that he'll still be on the Normandy. I remember one of the magazines stating that "...the plot dictates that Mordin stay close to Shepard..." (but considering how speculative some of the info from the mags have been I'll take it with a grain of salt). Legion will likely be a squad member for only a particular arc (Quarian-Geth conflict), so no permanent status for him. Grunt/Samara/Morinth are wild cards for me. Not entirely sure where I would place them.

Miranda, Jacob, Thane and Jack are the most likely candidates for permanent status because of their positions as LIs. Some may argue that Thane can't be a squad member because he's going to die soon, but they need to keep in mind that ME3 takes place 2-3 months after Arrival. So, unless ME2 is 9 months long, Thane's not dying anytime soon (relatively speaking). Now, this leaves me at the same dilemma as the OP - 9 squad members is hardly any different from 10 (I say 10 instead of 12 because there wasn't much character development to work with with Kasumi/Zaeed)

Modifié par JukeFrog, 11 mai 2011 - 07:14 .

[Leonia]

I like the idea of having some temporary squad-mates for certain arcs.. we saw this in execution with LotSB and having Liara around for one lengthy mission. Perhaps the ME2 LIs will be around but not necessarily selectable for all missions.

The "sweet" spot for overall party size seems to be some where between 6 and 10.. so 8 seems like a happy medium. Not everyone has a full cast of 13 to import and there's every chance that we'll lose more party members along the way in ME3. It seems safe to assume that all LIs have some form of plot armour or plot relevance that makes them important to have around but it's still an assumption based on wishful thinking.

Between temporary squad-mates, non-selectable squad-mates, and potential Virmire situations where you can only have one of a pair (Tali or Legion? Jack or Miranda? Mordin or Grunt? Just throwing guesses around here..) it might be possible to stick to 8 or less squad-mates, occassionally going up to 10 or 12 in certain situations. Or there could be the possibility of two squads forming, we have a few characters with leadership abilities (Miranda, VS, Garrus) and the numbers could split up that way.

Anyway, it's fun to think about but the latest news indicates we'll at least see everyone who is still alive at this point so that's promising.

Modifié par leonia42, 11 mai 2011 - 07:48 .

[M4N0FF4I7H]

I'm guessing it's an 8 man squad with Ashley/Kaidan,Liara,Garrus,Tali,Jack,Miranda and two new squadmates.

[Vez04]

(SPECULATION ONLY! DONT TAKE THIS AS A CONFIRMED FACT!)

From XWM thread on the forums http://social.biowar...7352856#7352856


" 'Twelve was a big number in Mass Effect 2 - almost too big", Hudson concedes. "We're focused on a smaller squad with deeper relationships and more interesting interplay in Mass Effect 3' he explains. "We're not going to have twelve again but we are going to do more with the characters on your squad including Liara, and Kaidan or Ashley. And we're bringing everyone back - every main character is in Mass Effect 3 somewhere' "

[KainrycKarr]

A direct quote from Casey Hudson is not speculation, fyi.

[KainrycKarr]

Miranda is almost definately in, and from all the attention they've given on Jack's revamp, I'd say she's a good bet too.

So, Liara, VS, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, Vega, and probably one more.

[Darkstar Aurora]

What defines a 'squad member' and a 'non-squad member' here? I mean in context of this thread and in the context of the article mentioning we will have fewer of them.

By 'squad member' do we mean character on the Normandy for most of the game who can be selected for any given mission, or are we also including characters who would be selectable for combat on specific missions?

I think Jack, Miranda, and Jacob should be squad members. Because they are criminals/terrorists in the eyes of the Alliance, they would likely be taken into custody on earth along with Shepard. Likewise, they are at risk from Cerberus, either for capture or assasination. These two points would make it easier for them to be recruited early on, and justification for them joining the mission. At the very least they should be encountered and recruitable during a series of missions against Cerberus itself.

Samara, Legion, Mordin, and Grunt could all have appearances on the conflicts on their homeworld, likely being sent back there after your arrest, and be temporary squad members recruited for those specific missions. If they died in the suicide mission or were not recruited then you simply would not encounter them on that mission, but still play the mission out to earn species loyalty.
-Grunt is part of Clan Urdnot, and therefore he (like Wrex) would return to defend the planet.
-Samara is a Matriarch and a Justicar, therefore she (or her doppelgänger-daughter) would be a key leader in any invasion of Thessia.
-Mordin and Legion clearly have key roles to play in the Genophage and Quarian Homeworld missions, therefore it would seem their roles might be best suited to those, however I do think they should have a passive/passenger presence on the Normandy overall.

Modifié par Darkstar Aurora, 11 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[aimlessgun]

The option of being a temp squadmate creates a lot of possible permutations.

A big question is whether an LI must be a fulltime squadmate, or if it is possible to satisfyingly continue the romance if they are not.

[Leonia]

Another thing to consider is new squad-mates. Will there be "replacements" for characters that died during the SM? Or will players who lost team-mates on the SM be forced to have a more challenging experience in ME3?

What about folks who lost Tali? Unlike other "alien representatives", she is the only connection Shepard has to the Migrant Fleet. The quarians, unlike other species, are a lot more insular and harder for outsiders to approach. How would Shepard even find the Fleet's location without her? Will they even want to help if (somehow) Shepard does find them and they learn that Tali died?

The other species seem far more approachable, regardless if you have a team-mate that can act as some sort of representative/liason.

As for the vast majority of the ME2 cast, some of them don't have any where else to go post-SM (Jack, Thane, Miranda and Jacob possibly if the Collector base was destroyed) so it's likely they'll still be around in some capacity. I could see Samara returning to Thessia and Grunt maybe joining up with Wrex on Tuchanka. Legion is our only connection to the geth (similar to the Tali and quarian situation) so I'm sure he has an important part. Mordin will more than likely be involved in the genophage conflict that will (again) erupt between the salarians and krogan and is said to be sticking close to Shepard. Wrex's involvement probably depends on the outcome of the same conflict though we can assume he won't be a permanent squad-mate.

A lot of characters can still be around (on the Normandy or elsewhere) without actually holding squad-mate status.

Modifié par leonia42, 11 mai 2011 - 08:16 .

[Edrick1976]

I am guessing (and hopping) Liara, Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Jack, Grunt, Ash/kaiden and the FNG (Freaking New Guy) James something will be the full time squad members, however I could still see Tali being heavly in valved in the game but NOT be a full time member...

Modifié par Edington, 11 mai 2011 - 08:16 .

[Apollo Starflare]

I'm very curious as to how they will deal with those who lost a lot of squaddies in the SM. Will there be new potential replacement party members like some think, or will these players just have a limited pool to choose from (afterall they will already be bolstered by the returning Liara and VS, as well as Vega). It could lead to a scenario where Shepard ONLY has those three squadmates though, which seems a bit odd, but who knows.

I'm going with the 7-9 prediction for squad size. With 9 being unlikely. I'm also not sure they would leave it with such a big swing towards female teammates. Some of the predictions here would have Garrus as the only returning male in some save games for instance. And he's optional!

Predicted 8:
Confirmed: Virmire Survivor, Liara, Garrus, Tali, Vega (unless... He's the new Jenkins. )
Leaving 3: Jack, Mira- Wait, now IM weighting it towards a female crew. Okay I'm just going to give up on speculating right here.

Zaeed and Kasumi are bound to be temporary or cameos, and my gut feeling is that Thane and Mordin will end up as temporary as well. Conversely I could see Grunt making the cut, he could have matured somewhat and developed as a character since ME2. I really -want- Legion to be perma, but it just screams for him to be a temporary squaddie for the Geth section unless...

How was Tali confirmed? Could we end up with Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion choices in the game? Or similar? Leaving us with a smaller squad but more options than that suggests?

Whooo speculation!

[Alienmorph]

I think at this poin that the team will be something like: Liara, VS, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Miranda and James Sanders/Vega and another pair of new dudes (for covering who lost too many of the previous guys in the SM), with everyone else as temporary squadmate/major NpC. Eventually, considered that there's already a "pick one of two" choice rapresentend by the VS it could be done the same giving us the chance to choose between one of two characters like Tali or Legion and Miranda and Jack, if all of them are alive off course.

[QuiQui]

(Spoiler Warning)



In ME2, during the suicide mission ("SM"), Jack was fist in line to get bumped off if certain upgrades weren't made on the Normandy and/or as a result of certain choices being made during the SM. As such, I highly doubt that she will be a permanent squaddie in ME3. At the most, maybe a temporary one.

Be that as it may, I'm of the view that depending on the "status" of her popularity (if high enough), that in itself may warrant her being made a permanent squaddie by Bioware.

[The Elder King]

Darkstar Aurora wrote...

What defines a 'squad member' and a 'non-squad member' here? I mean in context of this thread and in the context of the article mentioning we will have fewer of them.

By 'squad member' do we mean character on the Normandy for most of the game who can be selected for any given mission, or are we also including characters who would be selectable for combat on specific missions?

I think Jack, Miranda, and Jacob should be squad members. Because they are criminals/terrorists in the eyes of the Alliance, they would likely be taken into custody on earth along with Shepard. Likewise, they are at risk from Cerberus, either for capture or assasination. These two points would make it easier for them to be recruited early on, and justification for them joining the mission. At the very least they should be encountered and recruitable during a series of missions against Cerberus itself.

Samara, Legion, Mordin, and Grunt could all have appearances on the conflicts on their homeworld, likely being sent back there after your arrest, and be temporary squad members recruited for those specific missions. If they died in the suicide mission or were not recruited then you simply would not encounter them on that mission, but still play the mission out to earn species loyalty.
-Grunt is part of Clan Urdnot, and therefore he (like Wrex) would return to defend the planet.
-Samara is a Matriarch and a Justicar, therefore she (or her doppelgänger-daughter) would be a key leader in any invasion of Thessia.
-Mordin and Legion clearly have key roles to play in the Genophage and Quarian Homeworld missions, therefore it would seem their roles might be best suited to those, however I do think they should have a passive/passenger presence on the Normandy overall.

As squad member I intend full-time SM. I should have mentioned in my first post.
I mostly agree with you. Another reason forme for having Miranda, Jack and Jacob permanent squad members is because they are LI. I will be a bit disappointed if I can't pursue in ME3 some ME2 romances.

@JukeFrog: it's true that Thane should be alive in ME3, but if I remember his ilness will slowly degrady his body. I don't know if, after few month he can fight properly.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I don't think I've read anything about Tali yet. Any source of the confirmation?

[morrie23]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I don't think I've read anything about Tali yet. Any source of the confirmation?

Casey Hudson said she is coming back [link].

[Apollo Starflare]

morrie23 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I don't think I've read anything about Tali yet. Any source of the confirmation?

Casey Hudson said she is coming back [link].

Pretty sure it was also confirmed in an article, but I can't remember which one.

[Leonia]

There was loose confirmation that she was back with a few articles but none of them really confirmed her squad-mate status until Casey made that one tweet.

[iNixiRir]

leonia42 wrote...

There was loose confirmation that she was back with a few articles but none of them really confirmed her squad-mate status until Casey made that one tweet.

Actually, that tweet doesn't really confirm it. Casey doesn't mention that she's a permante squadmate - he only says that she'll be back in ME3 (like every other character who didn't die).

Modifié par iNixiRir, 11 mai 2011 - 12:18 .

[Apollo Starflare]

iNixiRir wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

There was loose confirmation that she was back with a few articles but none of them really confirmed her squad-mate status until Casey made that one tweet.

Actually, that tweet does quite the opposite. Casey doesn't mention that she's a permante squadmate - he only says that she'll be back in ME3 (like every other character who didn't die).

Having gone and checked the confirmed features thread it was in PC Gamer mag that we first got confirmation Tali was returning as a FULL squadmate. To quote PCG:

Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley and (newly confirmed) Tali are full time members of your team if they survived the previous games.

Emphasis mine.

So unless they were taking big liberties with wording that settles it. I don't think there was ever really any doubt though, if they brought back Garrus it was always going to be likely that Tali would return in the same fashion. Let's face it, it was always going to be certain ME2 characters that were most worth worrying about whether they would return in a full time capacity.

Modifié par Apollo Starflare, 11 mai 2011 - 12:19 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

morrie23 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I don't think I've read anything about Tali yet. Any source of the confirmation?

Casey Hudson said she is coming back [link].

Cool. Thanks for looking this up. Appreciated.

[iNixiRir]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

iNixiRir wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

There was loose confirmation that she was back with a few articles but none of them really confirmed her squad-mate status until Casey made that one tweet.

Actually, that tweet does quite the opposite. Casey doesn't mention that she's a permante squadmate - he only says that she'll be back in ME3 (like every other character who didn't die).

Having gone and checked the confirmed features thread it was in PC Gamer mag that we first got confirmation Tali was returning as a FULL squadmate. To quote PCG:

Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley and (newly confirmed) Tali are full time members of your team if they survived the previous games.

Emphasis mine.

So unless they were taking big liberties with wording that settles it. I don't think there was ever really any doubt though, if they brought back Garrus it was always going to be likely that Tali would return in the same fashion. Let's face it, it was always going to be certain ME2 characters that were most worth worrying about whether they would return in a full time capacity.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I expect Tali to be a squadmate in ME3, it's just that his tweet hardly confirms it.

Modifié par iNixiRir, 11 mai 2011 - 12:24 .

[Leonia]

But I wonder more about the rest of the ME2 cast.. so far it seems the announcements are focused on the ME1 team.