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[Sylvius the Mad]

lobi wrote...

Controlling 2 Player chars? bad for immersion.

I completely disagree.  Party-based RPGs have traditionally given the player control over more than one character.  Only in the last decade or so has that disappeared.

[Skilled Seeker]

For all the people moaning about playing with jackasses, this is not an inherent fault of online games. If you play with good people, you will have tons of fun.

[Haexpane]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

 

If other players can talk to me, then eventually they will talk to me, and as soon as they do talk to me the game is no longer playable..

Odd way to be but I guess you take your "role playing" very seriously in games?

[Skilled Seeker]

He's insane, just like his username suggests.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 16 mai 2011 - 06:22 .

[Cowboy_christo]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

For all the people moaning about playing with jackasses, this is not an inherent fault of online games. If you play with good people, you will have tons of fun.

Where are those good ppl? Im sorry but i played enough online gaming to know that majority of ppl are ****ing tools and that w/e good ppl there is on the internet dont always have the same life schedules or priorities as me. Same for IRL friend.

If you can find good people to play exactly when you want to play, as long as you want to play and play what you likes, then good for you. Ill keep my singleplayer game that i can enjoy when i want and as much as i want.

[the_one_54321]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
If other players can talk to me, then eventually they will talk to me, and as soon as they do talk to me the game is no longer playable..

If the other players are also seriuosly role playing their characters, I cannot see how their interactions with you could be a bad thing.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

lobi wrote...

Controlling 2 Player chars? bad for immersion.

I completely disagree.  Party-based RPGs have traditionally given the player control over more than one character.  Only in the last decade or so has that disappeared.

Personal preference notwithstanding, that doesn't really speak to the question of immersion, though, does it?

[xkg]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
If other players can talk to me, then eventually they will talk to me, and as soon as they do talk to me the game is no longer playable..

If the other players are also seriuosly role playing their characters, I cannot see how their interactions with you could be a bad thing.

Because he doeasn't like MP games and prefer to play SP ? Seems that some of you guys here just cant get it.
I too had my share of MP (from simple MP over LAN to big MMO games) and i know now that it is not my cup of tea. Nothing you will say is going to really change that.

[the_one_54321]

xkg wrote...
Because he doeasn't like MP games and prefer to play SP ? Seems that some of you guys here just cant get it.
I too had my share of MP (from simple MP over LAN to big MMO games) and i know now that it is not my cup of tea. Nothing you will say is going to really change that.

You don't need to inform me of that. I'd wager I'm much more familiar with Sylvius than you are. I was asking because I was curious about how it relates to his other preferences.

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

If the other players are also seriuosly role playing their characters, I cannot see how their interactions with you could be a bad thing.

Mostly I think it unlikely that they will always do that.

But also, even if they do they're not always there.  Characters with whom my characters have a relationship shouldn't wink in and out of existence from my character's perspective without some sort of in-game explanation for what's happening.

edit: Oh, and people make me nervous.  I can't relax and roleplay with people watching me.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 16 mai 2011 - 08:03 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Personal preference notwithstanding, that doesn't really speak to the question of immersion, though, does it?

Unless the presupposition was that the older games that allowed full party control were necessarily less immersive, yes it does.

[Skilled Seeker]

So many antisocial nerds here. I feel embarrassed to be interacting with you all

[the_one_54321]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
But also, even if they do they're not always there.  Characters with whom my characters have a relationship shouldn't wink in and out of existence from my character's perspective without some sort of in-game explanation for what's happening.

Depending on the setting, like in NWN player servers, you can work around this. And also having actual people behind the characters makes the interactions much more believable. That is to say that the interactions are actually real and dynamic.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
edit: Oh, and people make me nervous.  I can't relax and roleplay with people watching me.

And that's an entirely different problem with the situation.

Skilled Seeker wrote...
So many antisocial nerds here. I feel embarrassed to be interacting with you all

Then go away.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 16 mai 2011 - 09:16 .

[Skilled Seeker]

I can't or else Bioware may get the wrong idea of what their fans want. Gotta provide the pro multiplayer view unless you're willing to do it for me

[xkg]

Skilled Seeker - looking at this thread it seems that you are in minority about MP.
So yes - "what their fans want" - is a SP game.
And if that doesn't convince you we can always make a poll about that matter.

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Depending on the setting, like in NWN player servers, you can work around this. And also having actual people behind the characters makes the interactions much more believable. That is to say that the interactions are actually real and dynamic.

Assuming interaction is a thing, sure.

It's the actions and reactions that matter, I think, and for my characters those are real regardless of who is behind the curtain controlling the other characters.

I don't really understand what you mean by dynamic, except perhaps if you're talking about the ability of a human player to behave in more ways than a pre-scripted character is.  From an in-character perspective, I don't really see how that matters.  My character behaves as I choose, and then he need to react to whatever the NPCs do in response.  He can't know whether other options were available to them.

And that's an entirely different problem with the situation.

But it's a reason having other people in the game inevitably makes it unplayable.  That was the question asked.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I can't or else Bioware may get the wrong idea of what their fans want. Gotta provide the pro multiplayer view unless you're willing to do it for me

And while I applaud that sentiment, you can't well lament the presence of those who disagree with you if their presence is the very reason why you need to stay.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 16 mai 2011 - 09:31 .

[Skilled Seeker]

xkg, I realise I'm the minorty on this forum. Of all ME owners though, I'd reckon the majority would like multiplayer since the majority will be casual gamers and casual gamers like multiplayer games that they can play with their friends.

[addiction21]

[quote]xkg wrote...

Skilled Seeker - looking at this thread it seems that you are in minority about MP.
So yes - "what their fans want" - is a SP game.
And if that doesn't convince you we can always make a poll about that matter.[/quote]

Just like the majority hate DA2... even tho that majority comes from the same 10 people spamming the forums, up and down, every day, all day, and in as many threads as they can.

Lol @ Internet poll. Thats as bad as an internet petition.Just on the polls I have seen about DA2 (its not my only experiance with this sort of blatent bias confirmation) that you can see the majority are just spam acconts to push their own personal agenda. There is nothing objective about them.

quote]Sylvius the Mad wrote...

[quote]Skilled Seeker wrote...

I can't or else Bioware may get the wrong idea of what their fans want. Gotta provide the pro multiplayer view unless you're willing to do it for me [/quote]
And while I applaud that sentiment, you can't well lament the presence of those who disagree with you if their presence is the very reason why you need to stay.[/quote]

I see it as providing the left hands view to the right,.

As much can be said about you Sylvius. You each provide arguments of different mindsets. Neither is wrong... but neirth is right in the whole.
What are your reasons for being here?To just speak your mind or  is part of it to show the other side? You have made clear that BioWare has steadily moved away from what you want/enjoy since BG2 so why is it you stay?

[the_one_54321]

simfamSP wrote...
I do not see the problem if it's an optional choice. Do you think multi-player can effect the single player if it's a choice?

It can almost be guaranteed to have an effect. Division of resources and such. How large the effect will be is a different matter.

[addiction21]

simfamSP wrote...

I do not see the problem if it's an optional choice. Do you think multi-player can effect the single player if it's a choice?

It is dependent on how it is handled.

And even then there will be those that like it and those that hate it.

[haberman13]

The fans want muliplayer, as a whole. So its going to happen.

It will ruin the series however (or change it into something else at least)

There is NO WAY my friends would wait for me during a cutscene and all the other putzing around I do in ME.

Basically, it would be Borderlands, run and shoot til the end.  No stopping (or minimal), just run run run shoot shoot shoot.  skip cutscene, repeat.

Modifié par haberman13, 16 mai 2011 - 09:59 .

[Elhanan]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

So many antisocial nerds here. I feel embarrassed to be interacting with you all

Allow me immunity to griefers and the ability to Gibbs' slap others, I might be more willing to wander into bigger communities.

Currently, I am anti-social, and see Facebook as a Pandora's Box of personal privacy, cellphones as electronic collars, and House and JD's Walter as avengers of elder justice.