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[Aurvan]

I understand that the biggest problem with multiplayer games, is the people. This should be something to have in mind for future games. For (Need for Speed) Shift 2, which is a simulation racing game (to some degree), there are (supposedly) mechanics that team you up with people that race similar to you - race clean online, and you meet other people that race clean (or crash a lot and meet other people that do). I think this could be done with other games as well, where there is a system that put people with similar interests together.

Most of my friends are casual gamers, so I usually find like-minded people that I don't really know to play with online. I am basically a co-op player, where you play as a small group against the AI online. Apart from RPGs, I prefer team based tactical games like Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, SWAT, ArmA, etc. (which basically companies have stopped making nowadays). But the game I've played the most online, is NWN on a PW-server. I've played several MMOs, but usually stopped after the free month. But maybe The Old Republic will last longer, if it is more of a game you play at your own pace and sometimes form small groups to take on harder missions. We'll see.

I think that instead of making servers that are filtered based on PVP-settings and such, focus on getting the "elite" crowd together on one server (the people that only care about the best loot, finishing the end raid the fastest, levelling up the quickest) and let the rest of us play on the server where we can play at our own pace and have a good time together. The most fun with NWN online was that people actually stopped up on quests and reacted to what was happening, and commented on it, instead of just typing "lol" and hack on through.

Modifié par Aurvan, 12 mai 2011 - 10:49 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

I agree that a half arsed multiplayer mode should not be tacked on to a single player game just for the sake of having a multiplayer feature and while I dont really care if future Bioware games have or dont have a multiplayer feature in the future, but if a game developer can add a multiplayer mode that is both fun and interesting and doesnt compromise the quality of the single player portion of a game then why not? Take a look at AC: Brotherhood and tell me how its multiplayer mode (which was both fun and interesting as well as being quite unique) compromised the quality of the single player game?

Now I understand that most of you are anti social basement dwellers who prefer simulated friendship over real friendship however if Bioware were to add a multiplayer mode onto their future games how would this effect you? Its not like Bioware are putting a gun to your head and forcing you out of your dark corner to socialize with what you consider to be the inferior diseased maggots that populate the majority of game servers, if you dont want to play multiplayer then just play the single player, I really dont see what the problem is, and dont tell me it is about resources because that is a bunch of crap. Sure a multiplayer mode is going to use a few resources but I highly doubt that it would be anywhere near how much you guys make it out to be, besides spending more resources than what is required on certain aspects of a game wont necessarily make them better, sure they can take the resources they were going to spend on the multiplayer portion of the game and hire more writers or something however contrary to popular belief 100 monkeys at 100 typewriters wont produce the best story ever writen (though perhaps 1 monkey could do a better job than the Dragon Age writing team) and hiring more writers wont necessarily make for a better story.

Now I dont hold a grudge against you for not wanting to participate in multiplayer games, that is your choice and everyone has different tastes, however statements such as "Multiplayer will be the death of Single player games" or "Multiplayer will ruin <Insert game here>" are just ****ing stupid.

[MistySun]

You means Sabrina strangles people with that mrcrusty? 

Modifié par MistySun, 12 mai 2011 - 11:28 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

... mass effect mmo makes sense according to biowares casey hudson While it's not going to be in ME3 it looks like might come after. Dragon Age will probably head down the same route sooner or later after all we are talking about EA with the (full or partial) purse strings.

But isn't DA2 already an MMO?(uninteresting and incoherent plot, bosses have ungodly amounts of HP, a crapload of Fed-Ex quests, a lot of grinding and trash mobs. Lots and lots of trash mobs...)

[Icinix]

It always amuses me when the "Multiplayer is the death of single player" argument gets rolled out...or "Single Player will always triumph..because multiplayer is dumb."<--Spaceballs.

The thing is... the market has always had, does currently and always will have the need for both.

The have different purposes and despite some cross over, generally different audiences as well. Can't we all..just...get along?

[Skilled Seeker]

Village Idiot wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I eagerly anticipate the end of single player only games. Every game should have a multiplayer portion to extend it's life IMO. Don't shoot me nerds.

*BANG*

If I ever have to interact with people in order to play a game, I will not play that game.

My sentiments exactly.  I really, really don't want to HAVE to play online with other people.

Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't say you HAVE to. I said it should be there as an option in all games for those of us that WANT to.

Also I have to say I've very rarely encountered douchbaggery in online games but then again I've never played WoW. Of course the biggest most mainstream game will have the most douchbags. And seriously, douchbags on the internet can't ruin my fun no matter what they do. Grow some thick skin. Do you guys get offended when an NPC bothers you in a single player game? Lots of sensitive drama queens on this board. If someone bothers you, block them, don't group with them etc. The vast majority of people that play online games are well meaning and just want to have fun in a friendly environment like you. There is something magical about working together as a team and achieving things with other humans that a single player game can never come close to.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 12 mai 2011 - 11:34 .

[xkg]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Now I understand that most of you are anti social basement dwellers who prefer simulated friendship over real friendship 

Well, i have that in RL (read : i have enough of real friends in real life) - dont need to look for more in multiplayer games.

and because you are dismising arguments like here :

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
and dont tell me it is about resources because that is a bunch of crap
 ...
are just ****ing stupid.

I'll say it short and clear
I don't want any kind of multiplayer in single player games i'am playing. This is my opinion - you can like it or not.

Modifié par xkg, 12 mai 2011 - 11:30 .

[Chromie]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

steelfire_dragon wrote...

I'll stay with the single player.

rpgs dont exactly make good co-op games.

simulaters and 1rst person shooters do.

Fable 3:>

Well Fable 3 is bad and so is Fable 2. The first is the best.

But really Night Prowler? Have you not heard of Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights?

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

xkg wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

xkg wrote...
"I really dont understand what the problem is with game developers adding some sort of multiplayer portion in their games"
Problem is - resources they have are limited. I rather see them focusing on single player part.

Show me a game where the single player part of the game suffers because of an added multiplayer feature and then I might take such statements seriously however until then I will just treat such posts as pointless whinging.

I was talking about "limited resources" and how they can affect any game.

You don't need to look far - DA2 is the best example of what limited resources (be it time or money) can do. I dont even want to think how would this game look like if they spend part of their already limited development time to implement multiplayer into DA2. Maybe there would be only 1 cave instead of 3.

And if there is a whiner here it must be you - whining that people dont want multiplayer in their singleplayer games.
Tears on your pillow

DA2 is an example of what limited resources coupled with a half arsed development effort can do, that much is true however it is not an example of how a multiplayer mode can ruin the single player experience since there was no actual multiplayer mode in any shape or form to be found within DA2. So really your example is completely invalid and in no way does it actually resemble an intelligent argument at all.

Also I really dont care what you want, calling you out for being a moron isnt the same as whinging. 

xkg wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

xkg wrote...
"I mean its not like they are getting rid of the single player portion of the game"
But they did that already with KOTOR serie. Thats why i wont even look at this new online TOR abomination.

Thats the stupidest thing I have heard today, are Bioware not allowed to branch off and make different types of games? Yes Bioware is making an MMO but I dont know how you got from that that Bioware are now ditching single player games and content and focusing soley on the MMO market. As far as I know Bioware are still making games with a heavy single player focus so your fear that Bioware now plans to turn every new game they make into an MMO seems unfounded.

Lol is my response stupid ?. Look at yours.
Yes Bioware is alowed to make different types of their games and i guess i am allowed to ignore these games just as i said, dont you think ? Does it sound stupid to you ?

Then ignore it and stop your whinging, Bioware isnt going to scrap development of TOR and make a new single player only KOTOR just because you flood them with a river of tears, deal with it kid.

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 12 mai 2011 - 11:41 .

[xkg]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

xkg wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

xkg wrote...
"I really dont understand what the problem is with game developers adding some sort of multiplayer portion in their games"
Problem is - resources they have are limited. I rather see them focusing on single player part.

Show me a game where the single player part of the game suffers because of an added multiplayer feature and then I might take such statements seriously however until then I will just treat such posts as pointless whinging.

I was talking about "limited resources" and how they can affect any game.

You don't need to look far - DA2 is the best example of what limited resources (be it time or money) can do. I dont even want to think how would this game look like if they spend part of their already limited development time to implement multiplayer into DA2. Maybe there would be only 1 cave instead of 3.

And if there is a whiner here it must be you - whining that people dont want multiplayer in their singleplayer games.
Tears on your pillow

DA2 is an example of what limited resources coupled with a half arsed development effort can do, that much is true however it is not an example of how a multiplayer mode can ruin the single player experience since there was no actual multiplayer mode in any shape or form to be found within DA2. So really your example is completely invalid and in no way does it actually resemble an intelligent argument at all.

Also I really dont care what you want, calling you out for being a moron isnt the same as whinging. 

xkg wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

xkg wrote...
"I mean its not like they are getting rid of the single player portion of the game"
But they did that already with KOTOR serie. Thats why i wont even look at this new online TOR abomination.

Thats the stupidest thing I have heard today, are Bioware not allowed to branch off and make different types of games? Yes Bioware is making an MMO but I dont know how you got from that that Bioware are now ditching single player games and content and focusing soley on the MMO market. As far as I know Bioware are still making games with a heavy single player focus so your fear that Bioware now plans to turn every new game they make into an MMO seems unfounded.

Lol is my response stupid ?. Look at yours.
Yes Bioware is alowed to make different types of their games and i guess i am allowed to ignore these games just as i said, dont you think ? Does it sound stupid to you ?

Then ignore it and stop your whinging, Bioware isnt going to scrap development of TOR and make a new single player only KOTOR just because you flood them with a river of tears, deal with it kid.

i'am not used to arguing with an idiots so have a nice day.

Modifié par xkg, 12 mai 2011 - 03:22 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I'm still puzzled as to why Multiplayer is considered breaking new ground or is the "wave of the future". In Bioware's case, it was the opposite. They had multiplayer in the BG games, then NWN.

They removed it in KotOR and all games barring TOR.

So really, adding Multiplayer back in Bioware games would be going back to Baldur's Gate.

Lol.

That said, I don't mind Multiplayer depending on how it's done. The obvious problems lying in the fact that development on Mulitplayer may negatively impact single player. Which is something I definitely don't want.

Guild Wars 2 (when it comes out), CoD, Total War on PC, not to mention the stack of Wii or PS3 games I've got when friends come over.

I play cRPGs as a single player experience. I'd like to keep it that way.

I don't mind so much a hack n slash or Action RPG lootfest though. But not in my cRPGs.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 12 mai 2011 - 11:51 .

[abaris]

Losing the whole single player community?

I think not.

I'm not sure about the figures, but I guess that only a younger demographic really is into multiplayer. I wouldn't have the time on my hands to commit myself to several hours of going online. And I haven't got any mates being into playing games, so that's about it.

[JoHnDoE14]

BioWare alrady has turned a single player game to a MMO (KotOR). I really hope that this won't happen again.

[Addai]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Now I understand that most of you are anti social basement dwellers who prefer simulated friendship over real friendship however if Bioware were to add a multiplayer mode onto their future games how would this effect you?

LOL Because sitting in your basement playing a multiplayer is so much more "real."

[Superarash]

oohhhfff.. I just had an exam today.

Anyway, if every single game is going to have a multiplayer option. I am forced to live my life in this boring world forever

[Gotholhorakh]

Multiplayer isn't really some kind of futuristic Buck Rogers thing. Nor is it a natural evolution for the single player experience.

Multiplayer is the past, present and future of many games, exists with and without SP experiences, is often fun, and often an afterthought.

There's no reason people can't have a great time with multiplayer games, I'm fairly excited about TOR myself (apart from anything else it will help me set aside the DA2 debacle  )


I'm more interested in single player cRPG games from BioWare as far as their fantasy stuff is concerned, I see them as the prestigious better SP experience than what WoW achieves online - call it a chance to have champagne truffles at home once in a while instead of a cheeseburger/kebab after the pub.


Re: those subscription services though: I think I'm like most people, I'm not going to be interested in paying for more than one per-month game, so almost no matter how good it is, it won't be lining up alongside WoW in times when people are cancelling their cable TV to pay their heating bills

If they made anything multiplayer I'd rather see a setup like NWN, or maybe something dumb and fun of the Hexen<->Oblivion mould that would amount to mage quake, than an attempt at WoW's crown.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 12 mai 2011 - 04:14 .

[Skilled Seeker]

TOR is probably my most anticipated game ever. I cannot wait!

[Sylvius the Mad]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

I understand where you are coming from, but gaming in general has become more social,

I'll agree that gaming is no longer limited just to anti-social people, but the whole point of CRPGs was to recreate an RPG experience without the need for other people.  If you have other people, why are you bothering with the computers at all?

even when im playing DA or TES games, im usually in a party with friends, and we are chatting about the games, we dont have to play the same games at the same time, in fact, we all play a bunch of games that are different from each other as well as playing games with each other:>

I guess I just like being more sociable than some on here.

Having other people involved diminishes my enjoyment of pretty much everything.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TOR is probably my most anticipated game ever. I cannot wait!

I was excited about TOR until DA2 came out, but now I question whether BioWare still has any idea how  roleplaying works.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 12 mai 2011 - 05:53 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Even sexual intercourse?

Involving other people in that takes a lot more time, and it's more work.

I think there's a strong argument to be made there.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 12 mai 2011 - 05:58 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TOR is probably my most anticipated game ever. I cannot wait!

I was
excited about TOR until DA2 came out, but now I question whether
BioWare still has any idea how  roleplaying works.

Well on a positive note they've set the bar a bit lower now, you couldn't have
lower expectations going into TOR, not without a degree in limbo
dancing.

I think TOR will probably save BioWare a little for me - after all, it's not going to be worse now, is it?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 12 mai 2011 - 06:06 .