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[CroGamer002]

^But that makes ME2 main plot pointless.

We learn nothing how to stop them, we didn't slow their invasion by any way and Reapers were just wasting their time and done unnecessary risk for doing something just few years later.

And that would be out of Reaper character since from Sovy( it took centuries to prepare for Citadel attack) we find out they're patient.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

It is also possible that they were making the Human Reaper so that way when they arrived in the galaxy they a powerful weapon to utilize at their disposal. The actions of ME2 matter. Think about it the Reapers were coming either way. The Collectors were doing the Reapers dirty work because Sovereign is dead. Which means the Reapers realize that humanity is a great threat to their plans to destroy the galaxy. So while they are heading to the Galaxy by flight they had the Collectors kidnap Humans and tried to create a Human Reaper to utilize their genetic potential. As Shepard you can't just ignore these attacks on human colonies. To do so and say they don't matter is idiotic.

It's likely no matter what we did in ME1 and ME2 the Reapers were going to be here no matter what so you could argue that nothing we did mattered. But then that is just plain idiocy.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 24 août 2011 - 07:35 .

[Darkelefantos1]

Fredvdp wrote...

iakus wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/106119317522882560

"Will we be taking the fight directly to the Reapers?”

"It will get toe-to-toe. And Reapers have very big toes."

I don't want Reapers to step on me. That's scary.

I'm telling you. the final boss fight will be a Shepard vs Harbringer  omniblade knife-fight!

And not "Assuming direct control" Harbringer, but 2-kilometer long space squid Harbringer!

The final boss will be EDI. She was unshackled by Joker and is now a sentient starship with a Reaper IFF. She's the first of a new Reaper race. Even after the war is over: SURPRISE BOSS FIGHT!!!!

[CroGamer002]

^But why would Reapers bother to abduct humans and risk losing their base just so they can start to make Human Reaper few years early?

That's the biggest problem here.
They could have just easily not do that until few years later once they get enough humans.

[morrie23]

Mesina2 wrote...

^But why would Reapers bother to abduct humans and risk losing their base just so they can start to make Human Reaper few years early?

That's the biggest problem here.
They could have just easily not do that until few years later once they get enough humans.

And now you realise why people say ME2's plot is weak.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Mesina2 wrote...

^But why would Reapers bother to abduct humans and risk losing their base just so they can start to make Human Reaper few years early?

That's the biggest problem here.
They could have just easily not do that until few years later once they get enough humans.

The Reapers are interested in Shepard. They saw Shepard as a threat. The Collectors killed him/her. Also think about it Shepard was the only one that was doing anything about the Reapers. It's completely logical that they would only try to kill him/her. When Shepard's dead the Council right away starts dissmising the Reapers as a myth. Also the Reapers had no way of knowing anybody's intention by trying to get Shepard's body. So the Reapers get the Collectors to attack Human colonies and start collecting their genetic material to create an an uber weapon that could prob exterminate the galaxy within a few short years. They didn't know Shepard was gonna magically rise from the dead and stop them.

Edit: I understand that the plot of ME2 wasn't as strong as ME1 but saying it was pointless is a little extreme.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 24 août 2011 - 07:45 .

[Vertigo_1]

Well not to interject in this discussion (that would be best in another thread) but

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/106452002925584384
"New Mass Effect items in the BIoWare Store! www.biowarestore.com #masseffect"

Before you reply with WTF NOTHING TO DO WITH ME3
Well included is a Vega T-Shirt with this insignia:

http://biowarestore....21134b826bff59c

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 août 2011 - 07:49 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well not to interject in this discussion (that would be best in another thread) but

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/106452002925584384
"New Mass Effect items in the BIoWare Store! www.biowarestore.com #masseffect"

Before you reply with WTF NOTHING TO DO WITH ME3
Well included is a Vega T-Shirt with this insignia:

http://biowarestore....21134b826bff59c

Looks like Space-SAS.

Arcian wrote...

SF-03.

Special Forces?

Wouldn't that be contradicting to the whole N7 thing?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 24 août 2011 - 07:51 .

[Candidate 88766]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106371078473003008
"I thought they were too far out in dark space to just fly into the galaxy. Or should I wait and see when #ME3 releases? :)"

"#ME3 That one I can answer. Shepard's actions in #me1 stopped them from using relays. By time of arrival they had come via FTL."

I always assumed they'd been travelling for thousands of years - ever since the Keepers failed to respond to Sovereign's signal. That would make sense - it would explain why they have to use relays, as they are thousands of years away from the galaxy at even FTL speeds. If they could get to the galaxy in a couple of years anyway then why bother at all waiting for Sovereign to activate the Citadel by other means when he originally failed? Fly to the Alpha Relay, go straight to the Citadel and their original plan has worked perfectly.

The phrase 'plothole' is overused to the point of meaninglessness on this forum, but this does sniff of a plothole to me.

The only reasons I can think of are:
-The Reapers weren't actually awake until Sovereign actually reached the Citadel in ME1.
-Desperation - the Reapers may have very little fuel (they do have to hibernate for most of the 50,000 year gap between cycles) and so can't afford to delay any longer - they've already had to wait a few thousand years longer than normal.
-The Reapers feel that any delay gives organic species a chance to use Sovereign's technology, or discover some secret about them or the Relays that could lead to the Reapers' downfall. This seems the most likely - the Reapers may not now that the Council has dismissed their existence, so the Reapers may feel that the galaxy is preparing itself to fight them.
-The Reapers genuinely don't consider Shepard or anyone else in the galaxy to be a threat and feel that there is no point delaying their arrival.

So actually, the fact that I've come up with some reasons explaining this makes it less of a plothole and more of an example of less than stellar writing, but still.

Unless I actually hear otherwise during the game, I'm going to assume the Reapers have been travelling towards the galaxy ever since the Keepers failed to respond. There is no reason why this can't be the case - if the Citadel Relay was activated whilst the Reapers were travelling, there is no reason why they couldn't enter the tunnel of low mass space created from somewhere along the middle rather than at the ends where the Relays are - and everything makes a bit more sense.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 août 2011 - 07:54 .

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106452661318066176
"So just how fast do Reapers fly anyways at top speed?"

"For that answer, you will have to wait... Sorry."

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twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106453334801661952
"Is Harbinger still in the game? No screenshot, video nor mention of him at all. Is Keith Szarabajka returning as the Voice?"

"Yes. Harbinger will be there with all his Reaper homies. As to KS, we always try keep the same VO actors whenever possible."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 août 2011 - 07:55 .

[R3MUS]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106452661318066176
"So just how fast do Reapers fly anyways at top speed?"

"For that answer, you will have to wait... Sorry."

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twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106453334801661952
"Is Harbinger still in the game? No screenshot, video nor mention of him at all. Is Keith Szarabajka returning as the Voice?"

"Yes. Harbinger will be there with all his Reaper homies. As to KS, we always try keep the same VO actors whenever possible."

He answered my Twitter! Awesome! Thanks Mac Walters!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Arcian wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Arcian wrote...

SF-03.

Special Forces?

Wouldn't that be contradicting to the whole N7 thing?

That's what I thought too. Can't figure out what else it would be an abbreviation of.

There is only one thing left to do then.

Nerdrage on Twitter until Bioware changes it to N7.

[Candidate 88766]

Arcian wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Unless I actually hear otherwise during the game, I'm going to assume the Reapers have been travelling towards the galaxy ever since the Keepers failed to respond. There is no reason why this can't be the case - if the Citadel Relay was activated whilst the Reapers were travelling, there is no reason why they couldn't enter the tunnel of low mass space created from somewhere along the middle rather than at the ends where the Relays are - and everything makes a bit more sense.

Or, you know, the Dark Citadel Relay could be mobile and travel WITH the fleet.

I thought that if Relays moved then the link with their opposite end was broken? Although that would render the Conduit impossible (it was pretty unlikely anyway - I mean, what are the chances that it was pointed directly at the Citadel? And on that subject, how did the Mako manage to phase through the Citadel Ward arms and through the outer wall of the Presidium? Oh, well, thats a bit off-topic), so I guess it is feasible.

However, I think it makes more sense that the Dark Relay is stationary, and that when the link between it and the Citadel is activated the Reapers essentially just 'hop on' to the tunnel of low mass space created. The Reapers invented Mass Relay travel, so they may have been able to use it in ways that other civilizations have yet to discover. Which may be why they're in a hurry to get back to the galaxy.

As I said though, unless I hear otherwise in-game I'm going to assume they've been travelling for thousands of years. It just makes more sense.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 août 2011 - 08:08 .

[Candidate 88766]

Arcian wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Arcian wrote...

SF-03.

Special Forces?

Wouldn't that be contradicting to the whole N7 thing?

That's what I thought too. Can't figure out what else it would be an abbreviation of.

Could mean security force. Otherwise I can't think of anything else, unless N7 is a different branch of the military to whatever Vega is in.

Actually, security force makes sense - Vega may be a member of the military police sent to keep an eye on Shepard.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 août 2011 - 08:10 .

[Someone With Mass]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Could mean security force. Otherwise I can't think of anything else, unless N7 is a different branch of the military to whatever Vega is in.

Actually, security force makes sense - Vega may be a member of the military police sent to keep an eye on Shepard.

Could very well be. I haven't heard anyone mention that Vega is N7, anyway.

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."

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twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469649889247232
"Was the Human-Reaper in #ME2 a new Vanguard? Or did the Reapers begin their FTL-return right after #ME1?"

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 août 2011 - 08:57 .

[Candidate 88766]

Arcian wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Unless I actually hear otherwise during the game, I'm going to assume the Reapers have been travelling towards the galaxy ever since the Keepers failed to respond. There is no reason why this can't be the case - if the Citadel Relay was activated whilst the Reapers were travelling, there is no reason why they couldn't enter the tunnel of low mass space created from somewhere along the middle rather than at the ends where the Relays are - and everything makes a bit more sense.

Or, you know, the Dark Citadel Relay could be mobile and travel WITH the fleet.

I thought that if Relays moved then the link with their opposite end was broken?

Mu Relay.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

However, I think it makes more sense that the Dark Relay is stationary, and that when the link between it and the Citadel is activated the Reapers essentially just 'hop on' to the tunnel of low mass space created.

That "tunnel" only exists for a split second. I don't find the process of "hopping on" feasible, to tell you the truth. It would make so much more sense for them to bring the Dark Citadel with them - not INTO the galaxy, mind you, but close enough. That way, they can both protect and utilize it without having to worry about going back out.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The Reapers invented Mass Relay travel, so they may have been able to use it in ways that other civilizations have yet to discover. Which may be why they're in a hurry to get back to the galaxy.

I think their hurry is more a consequence of the fact that the galactic species have full control of the Citadel, which allows them to develop their technology with impunity + reverse engineer the wreckage of Sovereign, which gives them a rather unwanted advantage in a standing fight.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

As I said though, unless I hear otherwise in-game I'm going to assume they've been travelling for thousands of years. It just makes more sense.

Hey, I'm not busting your chops here. I'm all for this idea - either that or that they woke up after ME1.

Ah, I forgot about the Mu Relay. And that the 'tunnel' of low mass space is only briefly open. A Relay that they can transport with them makes sense. I still don't understand how the Conduit allowed the Mako to travel through the Citadel and Presidium walls, but thats something for another time.

I suspect you're right that the Reapers are afraid about weapons being reversed-engineered from Sovereign, and that the longer they leave it the more chance that the galaxy will be prepared to fight them. And they may have been in hibernation until Sovereign reached the Citadel - perhaps he was able to send a signal to wake them, but didn't actually have enough time to open the Relay. As soon as the Reapers realised that Sovereign was destroyed and that they were already thousands of years behind schedule, they make a beeline for the Alpha Relay where they hope to reach the Citadel before the galaxy is too prepared. 

The Collectors also make sense in this context - the Reapers want some of humanity harvested to find out if a Human-Reaper is viable. That way, when they arrive they know straight away whether humanity is a species worth harvesting or whether they should just destroy them.

This is beginning to make more sense. The Reapers wake up, realise straight away that: 1, they're thousands of years late; 2, Sovereign is destroyed and that even now the galaxy may be using its technology; and 3, they need to make their own way to the galaxy. In this context, there'd be no need for a portable Relay - they can only reach the Citadel through their back door, the Alpha Relay. They use the Collectors to assess whether the species that destroyed Sovereign is worth harvesting so they know when they arrive whether to kill humanity or not.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Arcian wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469649889247232

"@macwalterslives Was the Human-Reaper in #ME2 a new Vanguard? Or did the Reapers begin their FTL-return right after #ME1?"

"@GV_Arcian a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Finally some clarification.

[Candidate 88766]

The new tweets make everything much clearer. The Reapers awoke to find Sovereign defeated and so had to begin travelling at FTL speeds to the galaxy, trying to reach the galaxy's back door - the Alpha Relay - before the galaxy can use Sovereign's remains to make themselves too strong. The Collector's were presumably used to assess humanity's potential as a Reaper - if it works, then there is a new Reaper and the current reapers know to try and preserve humanity when they reach the galaxy. If it had failed, then they know that they can destroy humanity along with all other species. We know it worked, hence why the Reapers didn't outright destroy Earth - with the Larvae gone they need all the humans they can get if they want a new Reaper.

It would also have been impractical and shortsighted if the Reapers had hidden so far from the galaxy that it would take them thousands of years to return if their plan failed.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 août 2011 - 09:05 .