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[didymos1120]

Arcian wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469649889247232

"@macwalterslives Was the Human-Reaper in #ME2 a new Vanguard? Or did the Reapers begin their FTL-return right after #ME1?"

"@GV_Arcian a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Finally a definitive answer to this age old question. Also, be right back - I have a bone to pick with the guys over at the ME Wiki.

Never understood why this was such a controversy.  The game provides more than enough exposition in the dialogue and other clues to figure it out. E.g. Harbinger being awake the entire game (which had to include the attack in the prologue, something that becomes quite clear in Redemption after you know who the Collector General really was) and obviously not in the galaxy.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 août 2011 - 09:37 .

[shepskisaac]

Mesina2 wrote...

^But why would Reapers bother to abduct humans and risk losing their base just so they can start to make Human Reaper few years early?

That's the biggest problem here.
They could have just easily not do that until few years later once they get enough humans.

That's what may be revealed in ME3, why they didn't want to wait. They've made the Collectors start evaluating all the species DNA even before the events of ME1, so it wasn't a rush plan, they must have had a reason.

As for ME2 plot being pointless, well, so was Empire Strikes Back plot pointless in the context of fighting Empire. You could as as well say it was a 'filler' while we were waiting for the second Death Star to get built.

[shepskisaac]

Arcian wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469649889247232

"@macwalterslives Was the Human-Reaper in #ME2 a new Vanguard? Or did the Reapers begin their FTL-return right after #ME1?"

"@GV_Arcian a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Finally a definitive answer to this age old question. Also, be right back - I have a bone to pick with the guys over at the ME Wiki.

So it's FINALLY official. The Reapers began their journey to the Galaxy after Sovereign was destroyed. Human-Reaper was never plan B (a replacement for Sovereign). Glad we have it confirmed!

[Sgt Stryker]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Ah, I forgot about the Mu Relay. And that the 'tunnel' of low mass space is only briefly open. A Relay that they can transport with them makes sense. I still don't understand how the Conduit allowed the Mako to travel through the Citadel and Presidium walls, but thats something for another time.

At the very least, we must conclude that objects traveling via the Conduit do not interact with solid matter for that split-second when they're in transit. I don't know if the same principle applies to ordinary mass relays, but I'm inclined to think so. Otherwise how would collisions be prevented?

[RocketManSR2]

The other Reapers sensed Nazara's destruction. They were conserving power until that happened. I think that is when Harbinger began collecting humans and building a new Reaper to possibly try and open the Citadel relay again. Harby saw Shepard as a very real threat to that plan (for obvious reasons) and contacted the SB to find his location. They did and had a Collector cruiser there waiting for Shepard to show up (cue ME2 opening). I don't understand the ending of 2 if the Reapers were supposed to be in FTL, they looked like they were just cruising. Anyway, now they need to get s*** done because I really think they're running on fumes at this point. They are still powerful, but they power down for a reason while in the space between galaxies.

[didymos1120]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I think that is when Harbinger began collecting humans and building a new Reaper to possibly try and open the Citadel relay again.

Did you not read the tweet?  The HR wasn't a new vanguard. 

[shepskisaac]

didymos1120 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I think that is when Harbinger began collecting humans and building a new Reaper to possibly try and open the Citadel relay again.

Did you not read the tweet?  The HR wasn't a new vanguard. 

Give him a break didy, it's super-new confirmation, he may have not even read the tweet yet

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 août 2011 - 10:02 .

[RocketManSR2]

I did read the tweet. Nowhere did he say that the new Reaper wouldn't have been used to try and open the Citadel relay. He just said it was a new Reaper being built. I guess Harbinger was trying to build another just for s***s & giggles, then, huh?

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

To be perfectly honest, I don't see how anyone would come to the conclusion that the HR was supposed to be a new vanguard or that the outro cinematic of ME2 is the reaper fleeting "awakening." in dark space.

Glad that's finally and officially been put to death though.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 24 août 2011 - 10:08 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I did read the tweet. Nowhere did he say that the new Reaper wouldn't have been used to try and open the Citadel relay. He just said it was a new Reaper being built. I guess Harbinger was trying to build another just for s***s & giggles, then, huh?

And the reapers started travelling from dark space to the milky way for ****'s and giggles? While the HR opens the citadel relay for nothing?

Put two and two together please.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 24 août 2011 - 10:10 .

[RocketManSR2]

You put 2 & 2 together. The Reapers don't appear until the HR plan fails.

[Cancer Puppet]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - ME2's main story should have been more in keeping with Arrival. The Collectors should have been working on a way to bring the reapers back from dark space, with Shepard and company destroying the collectors, but only after they'd brought the reapers to the edge of the galaxy.

Story fix'd

Modifié par Cancer Puppet, 24 août 2011 - 10:12 .

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/106487748424253441

"Ok, so who will be at PAX? I don't like to brag, but I know people and can get you in to play ME3 or watch the Dragon Age panel. #pax"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 août 2011 - 10:14 .

[shepskisaac]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You put 2 & 2 together. The Reapers don't appear until the HR plan fails.

Because it takes time to get from the dark space to the galaxy using FTL. They've started traveling to the Alpha Relay after Sovereign failed = they abandoned the plan to open the Citadel relay. Think about it, why would they even try it? The galactic civilization saw Sovereign & destroyed it. For all the Reapers know, the organics may be all aware of everything by now and may be even setting a trap at the Citadel Relay, not to mention guarding it even heavier than before.

[RocketManSR2]

That's the slowest FTL I've ever seen, then. Harbinger and the others were just cruising.

- They should have been shown hauling ass in that scene at the end of 2.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 24 août 2011 - 10:20 .

[shepskisaac]

So the last question remains why they've started constructing the Human-Reaper before the arrival. Candidate 88766 theory that it was done to test if the Human-Reaper will work (and thus whether to abduct more humans after the arrival or just destroy them all) seems to be perfect, but I want the official confirmation that's indeed the storyline.

[ShepardTheMetalhead]

For the sake of clarity, and to put all the remaining doubtfuls at ease (me not being one of them), can someone tweet Mac asking, "Were the Collectors building the Human Reaper to send to the Citadel and gain control where Sovereign had failed?" Please and thank you!

[didymos1120]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You put 2 & 2 together. The Reapers don't appear until the HR plan fails.

The fact that we the audience don't see them until after the HR is destroyed only means that we don't see them until after the HR is destroyed. Not to mention they're clearly in mid-journey (watch carefully: they are not "powering up" in that cutscene), which Arrival only reinforces. 

[RocketManSR2]

didymos1120 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You put 2 & 2 together. The Reapers don't appear until the HR plan fails.

The fact that we the audience don't see them until after the HR is destroyed only means that we don't see them until after the HR is destroyed. Not to mention they're clearly in mid-journey (watch carefully: they are not "powering up" in that cutscene), which Arrival only reinforces. 

They're also not moving at FTL.

[shepskisaac]

didymos1120 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You put 2 & 2 together. The Reapers don't appear until the HR plan fails.

The fact that we the audience don't see them until after the HR is destroyed only means that we don't see them until after the HR is destroyed. Not to mention they're clearly in mid-journey (watch carefully: they are not "powering up" in that cutscene), which Arrival only reinforces. 

This. They're flying the entire cutscene, it's just the fact that they're being lightened by the Milky Way that may seem like they're waking up, but they don't.

[Iakus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469176373284865
"If the Reapers only needed a couple of years to reach the galaxy without Relays, why did they wait so long to do so?"

"Reapers come back when civilization is "ripe" for reaping. But Shepard stymied them... Twice now."

So. wait.  Sovereign wasn't behind the Rachni Wars?    Or the wars weren't to capture the Citadel?

When did SIovereign realize there was something wrong with the Keepers, anyway?

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/106469649889247232
"Was the Human-Reaper in #ME2 a new Vanguard? Or did the Reapers begin their FTL-return right after #ME1?"

"a) Was a new Reaper, being built. Reapers began #FTL after #ME1."

Is that a suggestion that EDI was wrong about what the Collectors were up to?  That it wasn't in fact a Reaper being built?  Was the larva some mega-husk?  The Reaper equivalent to a battlemech?  I'm so confused now.

Second part makes sense.

[didymos1120]

Arcian wrote...

You know, general consensus says Mass Effect FTL is 4380 times faster than light.

4380 times. 4380.

At this speed, you can do 12 light years per day.

That's based on info about the standard ME cores used by current galactic civilization.  We know the Reapers use extremely large ones relative to that standard, and since max FTL velocity is proportional to ME core size, they're likely capable of significantly greater velocities.