17599 réponses à ce sujet

[Biotic Sage]

Dave of Canada wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

I just played a game which showed how stupid and pointless deaths are such a weak plot tool.

Then don't make the death stupid and pointless, you've got an emotional scene which might "scar" the player and leaves a more lasting impact than the player simply "winning" the game.

What leaves a more lasting impact, everything going right or consequences of your choices? How many people were horrified when Alistair kissed their Warden before doing the Ultimate Sacrifice? That it traumatized them to forever do the Dark Ritual only serves to rub it in how effective of a death it was, some people I know still cry if they think about it.

Such a death being introduced into Mass Effect 3 or offering choices similar to Vimire (Friend is caught in heavy Reaper territory, do you let your emotions take over and risk your fleet to try and save them? Do the sacrifices of the fleet cost you more later on when you'd need them? Ect) creates more tension, emotion and lasting impact.

A weak plot tool (to me) is the protagonist capable of doing everything by virtue of being the protagonist, where the universe opens up to his/her whims and what they desire occurs without consequence or sacrifice.

That enough people remember Virmire fondly (or not so fondly) somewhat proves my point.

I completely agree with you about emotional impact and crafting an emotionally authentic narrative. Virmires and Alistair sacrifices are the sort of things necessary to achieve this. Mass Effect is too good at the realistic-leaning sci-fi genre; it would be a disservice to the franchise if ME3's story didn't come with cost, sacrifice, and loss (of varying degrees depending on choices you make, but still present nonetheless).

A god-like Shepard that can save everyone and do everything would not be appropriate for such an authentically moving series that aspires to be, at its most elemental level, this: "Many decisions lie ahead...none of them easy."

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 07 octobre 2011 - 09:57 .

[Someone With Mass]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Mass Effects characters are much better then it's narrative, especially in Mass Effect 2. Sacrificing those characters to enhance the narrative is, frankly, not worth it. Especially since it is only enhancing it for some players, and degrading it for others.

Yep. 

Crippling my combat capabilities and possibly remove a character I like via mandatory deaths would just annoy me through the rest of the playthrough.

Make it so it will only happen if the player screws up or made the right/wrong choice instead. 

That would help giving people the choices and consequences they're constantly babbling about.

[Kasai666]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/122191309606887424
"The best is that you can "help" a friend who's playing by yelling commands to his squadmates!"

Might this mean no multiplyer?

[shepskisaac]

Kasai666 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/122191309606887424
"The best is that you can "help" a friend who's playing by yelling commands to his squadmates!"

Might this mean no multiplyer?

One could argue it's a form of 'multiplayer' because well, it is

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/122330193334517760

"Back to playing. Seriously, with these new class changes, they should call it the UNFiltrator. #okaynotheyshouldnt"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 07 octobre 2011 - 03:46 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

So, just to give my input: I'm all for Virmire situations, multiple in fact, but not entirely with squadmates. Choosing between non-squaddies would be fun and possibly game-changing. And honestly? Kaidan's role was covered by either Tali for tech or Liara for biotics. Ashley's was covered by Wrex, who got biotics and extra regeneration as a bonus. Honestly, losing either Kaidan or Ash didn't suck that much when it came to your squad's strength. It sucked because I thought both were pretty good characters. Not my favorite, but deep and relatively real.

The point is: people die in war. And I'm okay with that. I'm in for the story. A Game of Thrones is critically praised (okay, and criticized) for having important character die. No one lives forever, so for the story to impact me, I need to see sacrifices made. Doesn't necessarily have to be squaddies, as I said. But people will die. And I don't see why you guys want a fluffy bunnies version of one of the best stories in gaming.

Wow, that turned out more rambly than I anticipated. Anyway, the basic tl;dr is:

ITS WAR. PEOPLE DIE.

Modifié par Jonathan Shepard, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:00 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

So, just to give my input: I'm all for Virmire situations, multiple in fact, but not entirely with squadmates. Choosing between non-squaddies would be fun and possibly game-changing. And honestly? Kaidan's role was covered by either Tali for tech or Liara for biotics. Ashley's was covered by Wrex, who got biotics and extra regeneration as a bonus. Honestly, losing either Kaidan or Ash didn't suck that much when it came to your squad's strength. It sucked because I thought both were pretty good characters. Not my favorite, but deep and relatively real.

The point is: people die in war. And I'm okay with that. I'm in for the story. A Game of Thrones is critically praised (okay, and criticized) for having important character die. No one lives forever, so for the story to impact me, I need to see sacrifices made. Doesn't necessarily have to be squaddies, as I said. But people will die. And I don't see why you guys want a fluffy bunnies version of one of the best stories in gaming.

Wow, that turned out more rambly than I anticipated. Anyway, the basic tl;dr is:

ITS WAR. PEOPLE DIE.

Agree, people should die no matter what. If ME3 realy will be the darkest and hopeless make it like one. We are fighting agianst Mech - Cthulhus in the end. And yes i support scripted deaths... shocking right?
P.S Game of Thrones for the win

[ZenJestr]

If there IS a fluffy bunny rainbow ending...it better be extremely difficult to achieve.....and even with the rainbow ending, people need to die...

[MELTOR13]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/122330193334517760

"Back to playing. Seriously, with these new class changes, they should call it the UNFiltrator. #okaynotheyshouldnt"

UNFiltrator? I dont get it...

[lazuli]

MELTOR13 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/122330193334517760

"Back to playing. Seriously, with these new class changes, they should call it the UNFiltrator. #okaynotheyshouldnt"

UNFiltrator? I dont get it...

UNF

[Kasai666]

lightsnow13 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

MELTOR13 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/122330193334517760

"Back to playing. Seriously, with these new class changes, they should call it the UNFiltrator. #okaynotheyshouldnt"

UNFiltrator? I dont get it...

UNF

What? I still don't get it...sex noises? I was thinking unfair cuz it might be an OP class, but if he meant your definition...then idk what's going on.

Yea, I don't get it either. 

[ZenJestr]

as in the Infiltrator is very sexy as in the Infiltrator is very good...

kind of like how some people jest when something is really awesome by saying that they came in their pants or w/e

Modifié par ZenJestr, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:41 .

[Kasai666]

ZenJestr wrote...

as in the Infiltrator is very sexy as in the Infiltrator is very good...

kind of like how some people jest when something is really awesome by saying that they ****ed their pants or w/e

Ok, that makes much more sense. 

[lazuli]

Yes, like ZenJestr said. Say a particularly delicious member of the sex to which you are attracted walks into the room. You might think or say "UNF," perhaps while biting your lip lustfully as you appraise this fine specimen.

Sometimes gameplay is hot enough to warrant the same reaction. When I finally got the hang of Insanity Charging in ME2, I might have emitted a few UNF's myself.

[DaringMoosejaw]

lazuli wrote...

Yes, like ZenJestr said. Say a particularly delicious member of the sex to which you are attracted walks into the room. You might think or say "UNF," perhaps while biting your lip lustfully as you appraise this fine specimen.

Sometimes gameplay is hot enough to warrant the same reaction. When I finally got the hang of Insanity Charging in ME2, I might have emitted a few UNF's myself.

For once, I am looking forward to not being in my twenties anymore.

[mineralica]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/122190282358923264
The Kotobukiya Liara statue is nice but not my cup of tea. Will you be making any of her in a realistic style?”

"Yes!"

New promo materials with Liara? Why am I not surprised<_<

[Candidate 88766]

mineralica wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/122190282358923264
The Kotobukiya Liara statue is nice but not my cup of tea. Will you be making any of her in a realistic style?”

"Yes!"

New promo materials with Liara? Why am I not surprised<_<

She's one the main characters of the ME story - why shouldn't they make promo stuff for her? Regardless of how you feel about her in comparison to other characters, you cannot deny that Liara has so far been an important fairly central character in ME, so they have every reason to use base promo stuff on her.

[Iakus]

lightsnow13 wrote...

What? I still don't get it...sex noises? I was thinking unfair cuz it might be an OP class, but if he meant your definition...then idk what's going on.

Suddenly I'm really really curious about the Infiltrator powers in ME3...

[lazuli]

lightsnow13 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

Yes, like ZenJestr said. Say a particularly delicious member of the sex to which you are attracted walks into the room. You might think or say "UNF," perhaps while biting your lip lustfully as you appraise this fine specimen.

Sometimes gameplay is hot enough to warrant the same reaction. When I finally got the hang of Insanity Charging in ME2, I might have emitted a few UNF's myself.

How do you charge on insanity? I'm always worried I'll die so I've only played Vanguard on normal. Is there a good video somehwere? Maybe one that's done by AverageGatsby? lol.

Sinosleep has some useful videos for beginning Vanguards.

Honestly, don't be afraid to pause right after a Charge.  Line up your shot, find an escape route, fire off squadmate powers if need be, and unpause.  It's not glamorous and wouldn't look nice in a video, but it's a great way to learn.

[Nero Narmeril]

I'm already playing on Insanity with Infiltrator and I have to say, that is much easier than playing Vanguard. I couldn't finish Mordin's recruiment mission, while now I finished it (tactical cloak + headshot = ftw). Vanguard requires ability to make quick decisions. Still, Vanguard is my favourite class.

Modifié par Nero Narmeril, 07 octobre 2011 - 08:31 .

[JeffZero]

I'm doing Vanguard on Hardcore and it's actually my first Vanguard run ever. It's hard as hell but it's gotten a lot easier. I love it.

[lazuli]

lightsnow13 wrote...

I've played vanguard on normal and..wow it felt super easy and ridiculous. But then again playing adept and soldier on insanity and getting use to insanity would make playing any class on normal difficulty seem easy. You start to just walk forward shooting everything and thinking you're invincible lol.

But the vanguard was super fun. Constant charging. I actually also liked shockwave with the vanguard (still a sup-par ability, but considering it's the first one a vanguard can get and it's a nice AOE, pretty useful I'd say). I'm wanting to play all the classes on insanity. Infiltrator, Adept, Sentinel, and Soldier are pretty fun. But I'm worried about vanguard and definitely engineer. Guess I'll have to see how it'll go.

Engineer is one of the easier classes on Insanity.  You can remain at a comfortable distance and use your drone to take pressure off of you.  For maximum ease, try Reave or Stasis as a bonus power.

Vanguard has a steeper learning curve than other classes on Insanity, but is an absolute blast once you get the hang of it.