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hhh89 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well, when Casey said they were aiming for the same length in ME3 as was in ME2...was he counting the Co-op missions?


I hope he isn't counting coop missions. I won't be able to play them. Any online content that requires constant access to the internet is a no go for me.

If the coop missions are what is extending length.. Le sigh.


I hope too, because I'll not play coop mission. I don't like its presence, but I could have tried it. But I'm not going to spend money for the Live Gold fee.



I don't even have a choice. I can go into town and borrow my friends internet connection to download dlc, but I can't play online for any period of time. I'm stuck with slow, capped internet. :blush:

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hhh89 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well, when Casey said they were aiming for the same length in ME3 as was in ME2...was he counting the Co-op missions?


I hope he isn't counting coop missions. I won't be able to play them. Any online content that requires constant access to the internet is a no go for me.

If the coop missions are what is extending length.. Le sigh.


I hope too, because I'll not play coop mission. I don't like its presence, but I could have tried it. But I'm not going to spend money for the Live Gold fee.


Wait. What?

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well, when Casey said they were aiming for the same length in ME3 as was in ME2...was he counting the Co-op missions?


Well this was answered:

twitter.com/#!/gtez/status/123522910693507072
"Forums have gone crazy, unsurprisingly. Quick question: will ME3 be about ME2's length not counting co-op? I hope so..."

"Yeah if not longer - I'm at 30+ hours in my play through"

Also this:
twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/123516934087127040
"I won't say much about MP right now other than it's a ton of fun and doesn't detract from the game in any way, which is the #1 fear I hear"


twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/123517205181767680

"I'm hoping the skeptics will give it a chance and see how much fun it is."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:29 .


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Kasper Finknottle

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Nashiktal wrote...

Well i'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Fingers crossed eh?


Indeedy!

-Kasper

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Mykel54 wrote...



Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/123465882281320449

"Yes, co-op MP missions for #ME3: they're real, and they're spectacular. Rest assured it's nothing of what you've feared. More soon..."


How does Casey know what people "fear" about multiplayer? It´s like he´s saying "don´t worry it won´t require a monthly fee", well what a relief. Some people simply don´t want multiplayer at all, because they are not going to use it. Resources dedicated to multiplayer means resources dedicated to content they´re not gonnna use. I don´t like this sudden turn of events, i started buying the mass effect games as a single player rpg trilogy, if i wanted to play multiplayer i would have bought a game about that in the first place!

Bioware could have made a new game after ME3, based on the engine they just did, all about multiplayer so every player can choose what they want to play. I am quite disappointed and if Origin proves to me mandatory too, it may as well be the last game i buy from bioware.


This argument that resources were wasted on MP when they could have been used on SP is not entirely accurate.  At some point, you have the people, money, processes and materials to finish your SP experience.  Adding more people to that may make it happen sooner, but would increase complexity to a point where mistakes could be made.  For instance, the writing staff being increased puts more hands in the pot, more chances to mistakenly change the story or create plotholes.  Done faster, perhaps, but not neccesarily better.

When additional resources are made available to create another experience, it isn't at the sacrifice of the stuff that's already done?  Will the writing staff be terribly taxed by a multiplayer component after they've written the game?  I work closely with a Half Life modification's Dev Team.  Several members of the team are done, such as the Sound and music crew.  Their contributions could be shifted to another mode without affecting anything.  The animators and coders have at least a year worth of work to hit their next development milestone.  If additional modellers were hired it would help, but additional coders would cause more problems than it would fix. 

The bottom line is, you don't know how work is distributed within Mass Effect's dev team, and there are diminishing returns for throwing sheer numbers at a problem.  If you want another analogy, look at the Battle of Thermoplae where the Spartans made the Persian numbers not count for three days.

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RE: Co-op MP in ME3:

twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/123521870610956288
"Is that the reason ME3 was postponed?"

"Absolutely not"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:39 .


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Nerevar-as wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well, when Casey said they were aiming for the same length in ME3 as was in ME2...was he counting the Co-op missions?


I hope he isn't counting coop missions. I won't be able to play them. Any online content that requires constant access to the internet is a no go for me.

If the coop missions are what is extending length.. Le sigh.


I hope too, because I'll not play coop mission. I don't like its presence, but I could have tried it. But I'm not going to spend money for the Live Gold fee.


Wait. What?


Xbox Live is composed by XBL Silver, where you can buy the dlc and download the demo after one week of their release, and the XBL Gold, where you can play MP and download the demo a week earlier. To use the Gold you have to pay every months.

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well this was answered:

twitter.com/#!/gtez/status/123522910693507072
"Forums have gone crazy, unsurprisingly. Quick question: will ME3 be about ME2's length not counting co-op? I hope so..."

"Yeah if not longer - I'm at 30+ hours in my play through"


Good to hear.

More reasons for me to not even bother with the co-op.

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Psh, I just got the year-long subscription for...what, 40? 50 bucks? I'm paid up 'til February and I can barely remember paying for it in the first place.

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

RE: Co-op MP in ME3:

twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/123521870610956288
"Is that the reason ME3 was postponed?"

"Absolutely not"


Nice ^_^

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Psh, I just got the year-long subscription for...what, 40? 50 bucks? I'm paid up 'til February and I can barely remember paying for it in the first place.


I'm not saying that it's expensive. The fact is that I don't want to pay other money for a game feature of a game I've bought.
Not that I hate MS for that. I'm fine with this, since I generally don't like MP. In the case of ME3 (and only if from the video that they'll show in the next days it seems to be good) I could've tried it.

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Vertigo_1 wrote...

RE: Co-op MP in ME3:

twitter.com/#!/manveerheir/status/123521870610956288
"Is that the reason ME3 was postponed?"

"Absolutely not"


Hmmm... it may not be the only reason, but I'm pretty sure it was a big reason.  Regardless, this pretty much confirms MP has been in the works for a looong time, even before they delayed the game to March. When did they delay it again?

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anyone else pretty damn excited to be able to play mass effect with other people for the first time in the franchise?!

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Doug4130 wrote...

anyone else pretty damn excited to be able to play mass effect with other people for the first time in the franchise?!


Yes.

This might actually make my friend buy the game instead of pirating it, he thinks that if a game doesn't have a MP component in it isn't worth buying.

Modifié par aridor1570, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:03 .


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Vertigo_1

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NVM

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:27 .


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Oh cool, he answered me.

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I'm actually hoping there is more side quests with more depth to them, ME2's side quests were horendous with almost zero decison making and character interaction (not including dlc or loyalty missons as they were part of the main story) So I hope it's longer. ME1 had loads of re-used area's during side quests (like the same bunkers, deserted ships ect) but they did offer good decison making and some interesting characters, there was also a pretty decent amount of them, I liked that more than what little ME2 offered..

Modifié par Funkcase, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:20 .


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Maybe ME3 being a "much bigger game" than ME2, despite similar lengths, means there is significant story branching and different missions depending on playthroughs? :D

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Kings19 wrote...

Maybe ME3 being a "much bigger game" than ME2, despite similar lengths, means there is significant story branching and different missions depending on playthroughs? :D


I'd love that!

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Of course, I'd love for the game to be even longer too.

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JeffZero wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

Maybe ME3 being a "much bigger game" than ME2, despite similar lengths, means there is significant story branching and different missions depending on playthroughs? :D


I'd love that!


I think it means that the size of the different areas in which the games takes action is bigger. Also, a wider variety of different ladscapes and ambients seem to have been added to this iteration, making the game look, in fact, bigger.
If I were to be right it would be a huge improvement over the narrow corridors.

Anyway, guise, the game was delayed because of marketing reasons, it'd have had to challenge CoD, BF, U3, Skyrim, Forza... now on march it has the entire month for itself alone.

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At this point, with how reassuring and attentive the devs are, I expect a Bioware employee to come running up to me next time I stub my toe, tell me it's okay, and dress my little booboo with a bandage and a kiss.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

At this point, with how reassuring and attentive the devs are, I expect a Bioware employee to come running up to me next time I stub my toe, tell me it's okay, and dress my little booboo with a bandage and a kiss.


Now that'd be some customer service. :D

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

At this point, with how reassuring and attentive the devs are, I expect a Bioware employee to come running up to me next time I stub my toe, tell me it's okay, and dress my little booboo with a bandage and a kiss.


:devil:

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"We're still working out the details around Origin. We're releasing a FAQ soon about how we're planning on using it."

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I can see Origin requirement very clear now in my mind. :(

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:26 .