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[alperez]

Is it not actually a sign of how badly planned or poorly planned me3 really was that Tali a character who really should have a plot relevant role (geth/quarians) wasn't planned to be a squadmember until the fans of her character forced her to be.

Yet Garrus who doesn't play a plot relevant role was planned to be a squadmember.

I'm sorry but the more they speak regarding certain things the more it becomes clear that they're making things up on the fly, not imo the best way to plan out a trilogy.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Yeah I said it.

We have already shown screenshots of Tali as a party member, so that wasn't the news. The news was that she may not have been made a party member, but fan demand for her after ME2 definitely swayed the Devs into making it happen.

And people say BioWare doesn't listen to the fans.

Well if you lovely amazing guys listen to us, pretty please with 3 space sugar lumps on top, have some other characters from ME2, such as Jack or Miranda, as "permanent" squad members and not just companions for a mission :whistle:

[MegaBadExample]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

IllusiveMike wrote...

She isn't forced on you, it is super easy to kill her off in the suicide mission...

I'm kinda on the fence about this. It really depends on how cool her replacement is.

She doesn't get a replacement. You fail the suicide mission and get your squad killed, you don't get compensated with someone else. It's called consequences.

Awh. And here I was hoping for kal reegar. Ah well, guess Tali's gonna make it.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

IllusiveMike wrote...

She isn't forced on you, it is super easy to kill her off in the suicide mission...

I'm kinda on the fence about this. It really depends on how cool her replacement is.

She doesn't get a replacement. You fail the suicide mission and get your squad killed, you don't get compensated with someone else. It's called consequences.

No, consequences would be allowing players to side with factions they've been allowed to side with and actively aid before.

This is just spineless fanpandering.

[G0ldmember]

Ugh...I brought the whining from the character forums to this thread.

So Basicly it means Bioware can do no good huh? Please one, insult the other.....

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
No, consequences would be allowing players to side with factions they've been allowed to side with and actively aid before.

This is just spineless fanpandering.

In other words:

"Whaaa, why can't I join Cerberus and slowly destroy humanity myself?"

We all get it. You're mad about it. 

[MisterJB]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Yeah I said it.

We have already shown screenshots of Tali as a party member, so that wasn't the news. The news was that she may not have been made a party member, but fan demand for her after ME2 definitely swayed the Devs into making it happen.

And people say BioWare doesn't listen to the fans.

With all due respect, Mr Priestly, but this is something Bioware should have been deaf to. I believe that the writers who created the universe of Mass Effect are the ones who truly know what's best for Mass Effect and not the fans.

[Chala]

alperez wrote...

Is it not actually a sign of how badly planned or poorly planned me3 really was that Tali a character who really should have a plot relevant role (geth/quarians) wasn't planned to be a squadmember until the fans of her character forced her to be.

Yet Garrus who doesn't play a plot relevant role was planned to be a squadmember.

I'm sorry but the more they speak regarding certain things the more it becomes clear that they're making things up on the fly, not imo the best way to plan out a trilogy.

I don't know... If the plot requires the character to be with his own people and lead them, he has to be there and lead them. Take Wrex as an example, he's in charge of the Krogan and he can't afford to go around with Shep all the time. That's why all the permantent members doesn't have that kind of autority or relevance in the "interplanetary issues"..

[G0ldmember]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

I don't know... If the plot requires the character to be with his own people and lead them, he has to be there and lead them. Take Wrex as an example, he's in charge of the Krogan and he can't afford to go around with Shep all the time. That's why all the permantent members doesn't have that kind of autority or relevance in the "interplanetary issues"..

And you know this how? I assume this is all guess work right? Cause I'd be.....upset if you were spoiling with leaked data.

[Jog0907]

G0ldmember wrote...

Ugh...I brought the whining from the character forums to this thread.

So Basicly it means Bioware can do no good huh? Please one, insult the other.....

pretty much this, if bioware prefers to do things without following what the fans say they get in trouble if they listen to them and want to do something nice for them (or at least the largest number of them) they also get in trouble, its insane

[Chala]

G0ldmember wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

I don't know... If the plot requires the character to be with his own people and lead them, he has to be there and lead them. Take Wrex as an example, he's in charge of the Krogan and he can't afford to go around with Shep all the time. That's why all the permantent members doesn't have that kind of autority or relevance in the "interplanetary issues"..

And you know this how? I assume this is all guess work right? Cause I'd be.....upset if you were spoiling with leaked data.

See my banner...
Don't worry, I don't know almost nothing about what was leaked. So it's just my opinion

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
No, consequences would be allowing players to side with factions they've been allowed to side with and actively aid before.

This is just spineless fanpandering.

In other words:

"Whaaa, why can't I join Cerberus and slowly destroy humanity myself?"

We all get it. You're mad about it.

No, I'm merely disappoined that a supposed role playing game doesn't actually allow you to roleplay, that Bioware apparently has no artistic integrity left.

You're mean to Character X = Character X still adores you, you choose Option B = you get the same result as with Option A.

Choices are supposed to meant something, and the consequences are meaningless if there aren't any: having let Ashley die on Virmire doesn't mean I want to have both her and Kaidan alive in my ME3.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[Clara Shepard]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Yeah I said it.

We have already shown screenshots of Tali as a party member, so that wasn't the news. The news was that she may not have been made a party member, but fan demand for her after ME2 definitely swayed the Devs into making it happen.

And people say BioWare doesn't listen to the fans.

I don't think Bioware does   Bioware utterly hates the VS and always tried to make everyone hate the VS even when the fans would beg for them to stop, I think they just listen to the person with the biggest voice, real fair there. <_< Or maybe recently when everyone begged Bioware to bring Michael Beattie back, and Bioware just went silent. 

I'm bitter at you guys, not only do you take away the original voice actor for Mordin but you guys almost tried to take credit for Sbarge doing the Horizon letter. <_< 

Well here's my feedback, I want Mordin as a main squaddie for ME3, with his original VA, and Legion too, they were both amazing characters with depth, and Kaidan not to be killed around every f***ing corner(if there's anything with another Virmire moment in ME3 and it targets Kaidan I will rage), but I guess that's not going to happen because I don't b**** the loudest.   

I think I'm just jumping the boat now, getting my own spaceship and dancing however I want(no more stupid dances for Shepard)
And I'll keep whoever I want in my crew while I kill sentient machines, See You Next Tuesday s!!



/end rant

Edit: Fixed the picture, someone told me it wasn't what I meant to post  it was supposed to be a guy dancing, instead I changed it to this... 
And if it's still giving some hotlink error thing, that wasn't intentional, I meant to put up a dumb dancing one  arg

Modifié par Clara Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[Jog0907]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
No, consequences would be allowing players to side with factions they've been allowed to side with and actively aid before.

This is just spineless fanpandering.

In other words:

"Whaaa, why can't I join Cerberus and slowly destroy humanity myself?"

We all get it. You're mad about it.

No, I'm merely disappoined that a supposed role playing game doesn't actually allow you to roleplay, that Bioware apparently has no artistic integrity left.

You're mean to Character X = Character X still adores you, you choose Option B = you get the same result as with Option A.

Choices are supposed to meant something, and the consequences are meaningless if there aren't any: having let Ashley die on Virmire doesn't mean I want to have both her and Kaidan in my ME3.

theres all kinds of ways to tackle the roleplaying aspects of a game, and in the case of the mass effect series freedom to join factions of your choice wasnt a part of its rp system (you were always given one, the rp came from your reactions and attitude towards it) so I dont see why you would assume that me3 would introduce a faction system or why you even treat the presence of such a mechanic as a valid, impartial measure of a developer artistic integrity

[Takio]

Clara Shepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Yeah I said it.

We have already shown screenshots of Tali as a party member, so that wasn't the news. The news was that she may not have been made a party member, but fan demand for her after ME2 definitely swayed the Devs into making it happen.

And people say BioWare doesn't listen to the fans.

I don't think Bioware does   Bioware utterly hates the VS and always tried to make everyone hate the VS even when the fans would beg for them to stop, I think they just listen to the person with the biggest voice, real fair there. <_< Or maybe recently when everyone begged Bioware to bring Michael Beattie back, and Bioware just went silent. 

I'm bitter at you guys, not only do you take away the original voice actor for Mordin but you guys almost tried to take credit for Sbarge doing the Horizon letter. <_< 

Well here's my feedback, I want Mordin as a main squaddie for ME3, with his original VA, and Legion too, they were both amazing characters with depth, and Kaidan not to be killed around every f***ing corner(if there's anything with another Virmire moment in ME3 and it targets Kaidan I will rage), but I guess that's not going to happen because I don't b**** the loudest.   

I think I'm just jumping the boat now, getting my own spaceship and dancing however I want(no more stupid dances for Shepard)
And I'll keep whoever I want in my crew while I kill sentient machines, See You Next Tuesday s!!


Rock that dance <3

/end rant

Bit premature, don't you think? 

[Clara Shepard]

Takio wrote...

Bit premature, don't you think? 

Leave me, I want to act like a kid  I'm mourning Mordin right now... why bioware why? ;-;

[Kaiser Shepard]

Jog0907 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
No, consequences would be allowing players to side with factions they've been allowed to side with and actively aid before.

This is just spineless fanpandering.

In other words:

"Whaaa, why can't I join Cerberus and slowly destroy humanity myself?"

We all get it. You're mad about it.

No, I'm merely disappoined that a supposed role playing game doesn't actually allow you to roleplay, that Bioware apparently has no artistic integrity left.

You're mean to Character X = Character X still adores you, you choose Option B = you get the same result as with Option A.

Choices are supposed to meant something, and the consequences are meaningless if there aren't any: having let Ashley die on Virmire doesn't mean I want to have both her and Kaidan in my ME3.

theres all kinds of ways to tackle the roleplaying aspects of a game, and in the case of the mass effect series freedom to join factions of your choice wasnt a part of its rp system (you were always given one, the rp came from your reactions and attitude towards it) so I dont see why you would assume that me3 would introduce a faction system or why you even treat the presence of such a mechanic as a valid, impartial measure of a developer artistic integrity

Ehrm, yes. I'm not asking for a full blown faction system á la New Vegas or Alpha Protocol, but when you give people the option to side with a faction for an entire game, you don't just railroad said faction into the role of antagonist to prevent having to live up to that promise of actual choice/consequence. Same goes for the Shadow Broker favor and the Councilor decision from ME1, as well as many other ones that are just railroaded for the sake of railroading.

If all your "decisions" amount to is choosing what Shepard says right there and then, nothing allowing you to divert from the linear path, why settle for the Gears clone when you could get the real deal?

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Skullheart]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...
Well if you lovely amazing guys listen to us, pretty please with 3 space sugar lumps on top, have some other characters from ME2, such as Jack or Miranda, as "permanent" squad members and not just companions for a mission :whistle:

I like this human! He understands!

[CARL_DF90]

Being with Cerberus was never really an option in ME2. You basically had no other choice because the galaxy at large thought you were dead, and even when you came back you had little to no support from anyone with resources. Whether Shep loved or hated Cerberus you were stuck with them because regardless of what your feelings about them were you had the support you needed to stop the Reaper's pawns, the Collectors. No one else was really going to help, PERIOD. At once it was a plot device, and the simple reality of Shep's craptastic situation. The old saying,"rock and hard place" comes to mind, or "D*mned if you do d*mned if you don't".

Btw Skullheart, love the pic.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Quole]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Quole wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

G0ldmember wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

That's severely uncool. The rest of us have Tali forced upon us because of a vocal sub-group of the community.

...wth? You're trolling...right?

I'm certainly not a troll. Just not a fan of Tali & blatant favouritism of a certain section of the community has gotten.

Miranda could survive getting shot while unloyal but Garrus cant.. and you complain about favouritisim. cry more please. And what do you mean by `subgroup`? Tali si one of the most popular characters ( if not, the most popular character). I am surprised you are not complaining about Garrus too. Or Liara. Technically we had them forced on us too. Oh wait, you are just a butthurt Tali-fan hater. What a surprise.

Really? I thought it was Garrus because he is the most used squad mate according to the ME2 stats

I said ``If not, the most`` indicating that she MIGHT be.

[Skullheart]

Actually, the most used suaddies in ME2 are Miranda and Garrus.

[Chala]

Quole wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Quole wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

G0ldmember wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

That's severely uncool. The rest of us have Tali forced upon us because of a vocal sub-group of the community.

...wth? You're trolling...right?

I'm certainly not a troll. Just not a fan of Tali & blatant favouritism of a certain section of the community has gotten.

Miranda could survive getting shot while unloyal but Garrus cant.. and you complain about favouritisim. cry more please. And what do you mean by `subgroup`? Tali si one of the most popular characters ( if not, the most popular character). I am surprised you are not complaining about Garrus too. Or Liara. Technically we had them forced on us too. Oh wait, you are just a butthurt Tali-fan hater. What a surprise.

Really? I thought it was Garrus because he is the most used squad mate according to the ME2 stats

I said ``If not, the most`` indicating that she MIGHT be.

Oops sorry, then I misunderstood your sentence. Well, I guess that this happens when you read lightly a foreing language

[Quole]

Skullheart wrote...

Actually, the most used suaddies in ME2 are Miranda and Garrus.

That does not make them the most popular (although they obviously are popular). That just makes them the most used.

Modifié par Quole, 26 novembre 2011 - 04:07 .