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[CerberusWarrior]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/141985776400470016
"A lot of fans think stopping the Collectors was pointless compared to the bigger picture. Will ME3 say otherwise?"

"If Shepard had failed, humanity would now be a reaper. Seems fairly critical, no?"

   



thats nice but its bull sh*t because if thats all they are taking from ME 2 then yeah it was one huge side quest

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

thats nice but its bull sh*t because if thats all they are taking from ME 2 then yeah it was one huge side quest

Oh, then ME1 was a side quest by the same logic.

[spirosz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

thats nice but its bull sh*t because if thats all they are taking from ME 2 then yeah it was one huge side quest

Oh, then ME1 was a side quest by the same logic.

rofl. 

[Vapaa]

Someone With Mass wrote...

*intelligent squadmate AI*

Looks like it.

It's also interesting to note, that while walking back into cover, Liara actually aim to the Guardian's weak spot, and also empties her pistol.

Does...does this mean.....that the squadmates have learn to aim and can fire more than 3 rounds before stopping ?

Modifié par Vapaä, 30 novembre 2011 - 10:42 .

[shepskisaac]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/141985776400470016
"A lot of fans think stopping the Collectors was pointless compared to the bigger picture. Will ME3 say otherwise?"

"If Shepard had failed, humanity would now be a reaper. Seems fairly critical, no?"

Asked on Twitter if it means that the Reapers would transform the majority/all of humanity into a Reaper. EDI said that it would probably take millions of people to finish the Reaper so it didn't seem THAT significant considering there are tens of billions people on Earth and the Galaxy. But if the Reapers actually want/need billions of people to be turned into the new Reaper, than that changes things.

Though the question is, would the Human-Reaper be completed before the arrival/attack?

[Razagon]

Probably not. But don't see the importance of that question. The importance was why not how fast. This is why they do it. When they come to Earth it's not nuclear sterilization exactly. They harvest humans. This is why and for what.

[Someone With Mass]

IsaacShep wrote...
Asked on Twitter if it means that the Reapers would transform the majority/all of humanity into a Reaper. EDI said that it would probably take millions of people to finish the Reaper so it didn't seem THAT significant considering there are tens of billions people on Earth and the Galaxy. But if the Reapers actually want/need billions of people to be turned into the new Reaper, than that changes things.

Though the question is, would the Human-Reaper be completed before the arrival/attack?

I think it depends on if you want a smart or dumb Reaper. The more people you cram into that thing, the smarter it gets.

[Iakus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/141985776400470016
"A lot of fans think stopping the Collectors was pointless compared to the bigger picture. Will ME3 say otherwise?"

"If Shepard had failed, humanity would now be a reaper. Seems fairly critical, no?"

Asked on Twitter if it means that the Reapers would transform the majority/all of humanity into a Reaper. EDI said that it would probably take millions of people to finish the Reaper so it didn't seem THAT significant considering there are tens of billions people on Earth and the Galaxy. But if the Reapers actually want/need billions of people to be turned into the new Reaper, than that changes things.

Though the question is, would the Human-Reaper be completed before the arrival/attack?

Was just gonna post asking someone to follow up on that, as I can hardly see one cruiser snatching some 10-12 billion people or so all by their lonesome.

[Pride Demon]

IsaacShep wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/141985776400470016
"A lot of fans think stopping the Collectors was pointless compared to the bigger picture. Will ME3 say otherwise?"

"If Shepard had failed, humanity would now be a reaper. Seems fairly critical, no?"

Asked on Twitter if it means that the Reapers would transform the majority/all of humanity into a Reaper. EDI said that it would probably take millions of people to finish the Reaper so it didn't seem THAT significant considering there are tens of billions people on Earth and the Galaxy. But if the Reapers actually want/need billions of people to be turned into the new Reaper, than that changes things.

Though the question is, would the Human-Reaper be completed before the arrival/attack?

Probably not... But a better question is: Was it even intended to actually be completed before the arrival?

[shepskisaac]

Razagon wrote...

Probably not. But don't see the importance of that question. The importance was why not how fast. This is why they do it. When they come to Earth it's not nuclear sterilization exactly. They harvest humans. This is why and for what.

But it's quite an important question why the Reapers started the construction of the Human-Reaper before arriving in the Galaxy & attacking. There are many good reasons I can think of, like wanting to test first if the Reaper will 'work' at all so they know whether they should be harvesting or just destroying the selected species after arriving. But so far we haven't heard anything official. It's just all fan speculation. What's the canon, actual reason for the Reapers to start the construction before arriving? Because as many advantages it has, there are also many advantages of creating the Reaper already AFTER arriving. As effective the Collectors are, the Reapers are 100000 times more powerful and effective and could just do the entire job themselves, mass-abducting a couple of big Earth cities and be done with collecting the entire necessary material in a day, compared to Collectors who would need months to do that with their one ship. Basically, I want canon explanation.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 novembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[Razagon]

What are you people talking about? Why this obsession with every man must die so it would be a tragedy? EDI said probably millions more would be needed. Now when the Reapers would arrive they would either make multiple Human-Reapers or if they use only one to represent the species, exterminate the rest of humanity. They don't need every single human. Because then there wouldn't be 2 million dead first day, 7 by the end of week. How do you think they increase their numbers?

Edit: Interesting question Isaac, I've would've tried to answer but I haven't slept in 3 days. So I am out of here. Maybe tomorrow.

Edit 2: Maybe they were just laying foundations because Reapers should have arrived "in 2 days". Get an early start. And humans seemed nice because of close friendship of Shepard and Sovereign.

Modifié par Razagon, 30 novembre 2011 - 11:53 .

[DiebytheSword]

IsaacShep wrote...

Razagon wrote...

Probably not. But don't see the importance of that question. The importance was why not how fast. This is why they do it. When they come to Earth it's not nuclear sterilization exactly. They harvest humans. This is why and for what.

But it's quite an important question why the Reapers started the construction of the Human-Reaper before arriving in the Galaxy & attacking. There are many good reasons I can think of, like wanting to test first if the Reaper will 'work' at all so they know whether they should be harvesting or just destroying the selected species after arriving. But so far we haven't heard anything official. It's just all fan speculation. What's the canon, actual reason for the Reapers to start the construction before arriving? Because as many advantages it has, there are also many advantages of creating the Reaper already AFTER arriving. As effective the Collectors are, the Reapers are 100000 times more powerful and effective and could just do the entire job themselves, mass-abducting a couple of big Earth cities and be done with collecting the entire necessary material in a day, compared to Collectors who would need months to do that with their one ship. Basically, I want canon explanation.

For me, the essence of the Collector/Reaper debate is that the Reapers rely on the element of surprise to win every time.  The citadel trap failed, the back up alpha relay trap failed, and attempting to cull the humans slowly by stealth failed.  The reapers are on plan D by my count, and it is not the approach they prefer.

Think of it this way, if they don't truly reproduce without inducting new member species into their count, then they can ill afford to lose whole civilzations and people from their "archival" work.  Similarly, they can expect losses because this cycle already has hands on technology that it should not.  Reaper advanced IFF, Thanix Cannons and more.  The Reapers are headed into crunch time as they have left the tools for a technological singularity to occur, and cannot afford to let species make the leap.  If they had made a single human reaper before beinging the confrontation in earnest, then they will have achieved their goals of assimilating humanity, minimizing their losses doing so, and eliminating a race that could damage their numbers (IE attack earth without holding back).

[shepskisaac]

Razagon wrote...

Edit 2: Maybe they were just laying
foundations because Reapers should have arrived "in 2 days". Get an
early start. And humans seemed nice because of close friendship of
Shepard and Sovereign.

DiebytheSword wrote...

For me, the essence of the Collector/Reaper debate is that the Reapers rely on the element of surprise to win every time.  The citadel trap failed, the back up alpha relay trap failed, and attempting to cull the humans slowly by stealth failed.  The reapers are on plan D by my count, and it is not the approach they prefer.

Think of it this way, if they don't truly reproduce without inducting new member species into their count, then they can ill afford to lose whole civilzations and people from their "archival" work.  Similarly, they can expect losses because this cycle already has hands on technology that it should not.  Reaper advanced IFF, Thanix Cannons and more.  The Reapers are headed into crunch time as they have left the tools for a technological singularity to occur, and cannot afford to let species make the leap.  If they had made a single human reaper before beinging the confrontation in earnest, then they will have achieved their goals of assimilating humanity, minimizing their losses doing so, and eliminating a race that could damage their numbers (IE attack earth without holding back).

These are absolutely valid and logical explanations and may very well be true. But I want to hear it from BioWare, or in the plot, want it canon. As great as these explanations are, they're still fan theories. Are we suppoused to fill out the reasoning behind starting the construction of Human-Reaper early all by ourselves? that's a bit too much to expect from the audience of the story. Hinting and leaving some stuff to interpretation is one. Leaving the entire thing up to the audience's imagination is another and it's too much.

[AdmiralCheez]

DiebytheSword wrote...

For me, the essence of the Collector/Reaper debate is that the Reapers rely on the element of surprise to win every time.  The citadel trap failed, the back up alpha relay trap failed, and attempting to cull the humans slowly by stealth failed.  The reapers are on plan D by my count, and it is not the approach they prefer.

Think of it this way, if they don't truly reproduce without inducting new member species into their count, then they can ill afford to lose whole civilzations and people from their "archival" work.  Similarly, they can expect losses because this cycle already has hands on technology that it should not.  Reaper advanced IFF, Thanix Cannons and more.  The Reapers are headed into crunch time as they have left the tools for a technological singularity to occur, and cannot afford to let species make the leap.  If they had made a single human reaper before beinging the confrontation in earnest, then they will have achieved their goals of assimilating humanity, minimizing their losses doing so, and eliminating a race that could damage their numbers (IE attack earth without holding back).

This is exactly how I see it.

[DiebytheSword]

IsaacShep wrote...

Razagon wrote...

Edit 2: Maybe they were just laying
foundations because Reapers should have arrived "in 2 days". Get an
early start. And humans seemed nice because of close friendship of
Shepard and Sovereign.

DiebytheSword wrote...

For me, the essence of the Collector/Reaper debate is that the Reapers rely on the element of surprise to win every time.  The citadel trap failed, the back up alpha relay trap failed, and attempting to cull the humans slowly by stealth failed.  The reapers are on plan D by my count, and it is not the approach they prefer.

Think of it this way, if they don't truly reproduce without inducting new member species into their count, then they can ill afford to lose whole civilzations and people from their "archival" work.  Similarly, they can expect losses because this cycle already has hands on technology that it should not.  Reaper advanced IFF, Thanix Cannons and more.  The Reapers are headed into crunch time as they have left the tools for a technological singularity to occur, and cannot afford to let species make the leap.  If they had made a single human reaper before beinging the confrontation in earnest, then they will have achieved their goals of assimilating humanity, minimizing their losses doing so, and eliminating a race that could damage their numbers (IE attack earth without holding back).

These are absolutely valid and logical explanations and may very well be true. But I want to hear it from BioWare, or in the plot, want it canon. As great as these explanations are, they're still fan theories. Are we suppoused to fill out the reasoning behind starting the construction of Human-Reaper early all by ourselves? that's a bit too much to expect from the audience of the story. Hinting and leaving some stuff to interpretation is one. Leaving the entire thing up to the audience's imagination is another and it's too much.

The Reaper's want of stealth is not a fan theory.  It's stated by Vigil.  They win by surprise, the access to greater technology is something said by Soveriegn.  If you allow civilization to develop along a path you desire, you best be sure it doesn't develop past your roadblock.  Sovereign's corpse was never supposed to fall into organic hands.

I will agree with the Human Reaper theory though, that one has only extrapolation supporting it at best.  I assume we will learn more in the third game.

[shepskisaac]

DiebytheSword wrote...

The Reaper's want of stealth is not a fan theory.  It's stated by Vigil.  They win by surprise, the access to greater technology is something said by Soveriegn.  If you allow civilization to develop along a path you desire, you best be sure it doesn't develop past your roadblock.  Sovereign's corpse was never supposed to fall into organic hands.

I will agree with the Human Reaper theory though, that one has only extrapolation supporting it at best.  I assume we will learn more in the third game.

I know that the Reapers love stealth & surprise, but my point is that I ain't sure if stealth/surprise was the reason to start Human Reaper construction before arriving ,just not enough evidence or even hints it was the reason. Agree, I really hope there'll be more about it in ME3.

[DiebytheSword]

IsaacShep wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

The Reaper's want of stealth is not a fan theory.  It's stated by Vigil.  They win by surprise, the access to greater technology is something said by Soveriegn.  If you allow civilization to develop along a path you desire, you best be sure it doesn't develop past your roadblock.  Sovereign's corpse was never supposed to fall into organic hands.

I will agree with the Human Reaper theory though, that one has only extrapolation supporting it at best.  I assume we will learn more in the third game.

I know that the Reapers love stealth & surprise, but my point is that I ain't sure if stealth/surprise was the reason to start Human Reaper construction before arriving ,just not enough evidence or even hints it was the reason. Agree, I really hope there'll be more about it in ME3.

It would be nice to have offical confirmation, but I'd be satisfied without.  As TIM says, the patterns are there, buried in the data.

[CARL_DF90]

Finally! Logic being introduced into the forum. I like it! Now, my question to Bioware is how much depth we are going to get from Shepard's trial sequence? That's one thing I am REALLY excited about and want to see in ME3. VERY much looking forward to it and what choice I can make during said proceedings.

[DiebytheSword]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Finally! Logic being introduced into the forum. I like it! Now, my question to Bioware is how much depth we are going to get from Shepard's trial sequence? That's one thing I am REALLY excited about and want to see in ME3. VERY much looking forward to it and what choice I can make during said proceedings.

It has been stated multiple times that it is more a fact finding session than it is a trial.  We'll see where it goes.

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/VectorWarrior/status/142086114776334336
"It's getting better and better every day... very exciting time. Great new music coming in hourly and big steps being made in sound design."

I'm hoping we get to hear more new sounds in tomorrows Pulse Episode

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/142077229076201473
"Staying after work to play parts of ME3. Chills. Also, a lot of me yelling at the screen. I now fully understand the allure of Kinect ;)"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 01 décembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[Someone With Mass]

I hope we'll see/hear a little more than just the sounds tomorrow.

[Quole]

ME2 WAS one huge side quest.

[kidbd15]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/VectorWarrior/status/142086114776334336
"It's getting better and better every day... very exciting time. Great new music coming in hourly and big steps being made in sound design."

I'm hoping we get to hear more new sounds in tomorrows Pulse Episode

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/142077229076201473
"Staying after work to play parts of ME3. Chills. Also, a lot of me yelling at the screen. I now fully understand the allure of Kinect ;)"

Looking forward to using kinect on ME3 every now and then. Not all the time, but for those moments when I feel like yelling at my squad and not using the D-pad to issue commands.