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[BickDutt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...
Then it should have been free.

Yeah, because they totally don't need to earn something on it to make up for the budget.

That's what the game's price is for.

What, they can't get by with just a $60 price tag for a dumbed down, incomplete product that nobody wants to buy?

Poor EA.

[vader da slayer]

Da Mecca wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...

90% of DLC is not high quality stuff, it's stuff that should have already been in the game to begin with that I have to pay extra for.

I really hate when people say that.

The reason those DLCs weren't in the game was because they weren't finished in time. 

Then it should have been free.

all three story DLC's were started AFTER ME2 went gold. now they may have start conceptualization and very early stuff but no developing of it was done till after ME2 was released. now for stuff that they wanted in final release and it just didn't make it should be free (ie started while the main game is in progress) but for stuff thats completely extra I don't mind paying for as long as it good. which the only dlc I've ever bought and later regreted is some Fable 2 dlc (and is why I haven't and wont buy Fable 3 dlc).

I also laugh when I see people say "developers/publishers need to stop being greedy and release all DLC for free" when in a sense these people wanting it to be free are in a way showing greed themselves. and not even 6 years ago there was almost no such thing as DLC (for consoles at least). there might be a map pack here or there but that was it. you didn't get several hours of new gameplay or great new sets of gear to play with. so be happy that we can at least GET new stuff after the game comes out to keep it fresh and keep a new playthrough from seeming just like the last one each time we play the game.

[BickDutt]

you didn't get several hours of new gameplay or great new sets of gear to play with.

No, that's right, we got a full new game that wasn't gimmicky rehashes that took 2 hours to do in a modeling program.

[vader da slayer]

BickDutt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...
Then it should have been free.

Yeah, because they totally don't need to earn something on it to make up for the budget.

That's what the game's price is for.

What, they can't get by with just a $60 price tag for a dumbed down, incomplete product that nobody wants to buy?

Poor EA.

EA doesn't get 60$ for their games, if they did stores wouldn't make any money on a games sell. the store you buy the game from makes 60$ in revenue (don't know what each unit cost the store). you people need to understand that when EA sells a (batch) of games that the revenue from a game has to pay for

1) salaries
2) overhead like
 - electriciy
 - fees to pay for game engines
 - fees to pay for the software they use on their computers
 - advertising
3) Voice Actors
4) and not to mention enough left over to turn a profit.

so no there's not a lot of room left after all that to cover your free dlc....

[vader da slayer]

BickDutt wrote...

you didn't get several hours of new gameplay or great new sets of gear to play with.

No, that's right, we got a full new game that wasn't gimmicky rehashes that took 2 hours to do in a modeling program.

would love to see you create ME2 in two hours when it took a team of 100+ people 2 years to do it.

I got a degree in Aerospace Engineering (airplane/rocket science for those without comprehension skills) and as a senior project me and 5 others had to design an aircraft that could be stored and launched from an Arleigh Burk Aegis Cruiser (can't remember the designation off hand). the overall design that we came to agree on that would meet those and all the other requirements it needed to meet was a tilt rotor aircraft (V-22 basicly). even though we had a ton of info on V-22's it still took all 6 of us working together and 6 months of day after day (weekends too) in order to get the project to a ponit that if it were an actual design that would go into production would have hit the stage of "ok time to build a scale model to test drag/lift in a windtunel" stage. even with all the info we had and it basicly looking like a small V-22 we still didn't get ouf of "initial design" stage of the project had it been an actual design to production project.

just because you have something to build from doesn't mean its still a quick cut/paste hit the enter key and done kind of deal.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 30 mai 2011 - 08:42 .

[Someone With Mass]

Besides, we got like four free DLCs. At least that's something.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 mai 2011 - 08:39 .

[BickDutt]

Well, that's sad.

I do remember a small independent company that goes by the name of "Valve" which continues to put out massive free updates and services and YET continues to make massive profits years after years.

But a multi-billion corporation that owns half the market is having such a hard time paying its own employees that they have to split their games in half to make us buy them twice?

Wowee, just take my wallet, EA, I never knew you were in such hardships! My mind will be at ease that today your CEO will have something to feed his children...

[vader da slayer]

BickDutt wrote...

Well, that's sad.

I do remember a small independent company that goes by the name of "Valve" which continues to put out massive free updates and services and YET continues to make massive profits years after years.

But a multi-billion corporation that owns half the market is having such a hard time paying its own employees that they have to split their games in half to make us buy them twice?

Wowee, just take my wallet, EA, I never knew you were in such hardships! My mind will be at ease that today your CEO will have something to feed his children...

what massive free updates? and the reason that the vast moajority of developers like Valve would release it for free is beacuse they USED to develope only for PC's as PC's USED to be the only platfrom with internet access. and the other reason is that if they charged for those updates they would just be pirated and wouldnt make money anyway. Blizzard is about the only company on earth that puts out "free" updates for games anymore and even then its because its part of the current xpac for WoW and that they just have finished that part yet...

not to mention that the production value (and by value I mean $$) has gone WAAY up. video games are now holding records for day 1 releases that would have only been obtainable by movies just a few years ago. if you go and look at hardware (to take a slight but related deviation) Sony lost TONS of money on the first several hundred thousand PS3's it sold. so whose to even say that EA makes any money on say for first 50k or so games its sells of any of its IPs?

fact is is that these dlcs you want to be free have higher production value than that of games just last console generation. infact some of these xpacs (take Shivering Isles for example) are practically their own game and could stand as such on their own. Leliana's Song (only real story DLC I've played so far in DA:O) is very good and while I don't know the original price for it (got the ultimate edition after it came out to save on $$ and might do the same on TES V) I can say its easily worth that price.

and that brings me to my next point. if you don't think something is worth you $$ don't buy it. it isn't mandatory that you buy ANY dlc to play the game. like I stated earlier I bought some of the DLC for Fable 2 and it wasn't worth anything near what I paid for it so I haven't (and wont) buy any of the Fable 3 DLC. don't want to pay for it then don't pay for it.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 30 mai 2011 - 09:02 .

[Catsith]

BickDutt wrote...

But a multi-billion corporation that owns half the market is having such a hard time paying its own employees that they have to split their games in half to make us buy them twice?

What on earth are you crying about? Mass Effect 2 already had more than double the content of ME1 just from the base game. The added DLCs were just awesome extra missions and characters, and the item packs weren't anything great but apparently they were extremely profitable so why not?

I'm very happy to hear they'll have the same DLC plans, Cerberus network was great imo.

[BickDutt]

what massive free updates?.

ohboyherewego.jpg

All free.

For Half-Life 2 (2004) - Lost Coast (Full demo of Valve's new HDR technology.) Recently updated for better graphics.

For TF2 (2007) - Too many to count. The game has literally doubled in content and is still being updated for free to this day. Countless maps, hundred of items, new game modes all for exactly $0. They recently added a store for hats, though.

Left 4 Dead 1 & 2 (2008-2009) - Likewise, many new maps and campaigns, even had weekly game modes for L4D2, all free.

Portal 2 - Upcoming free mission pack.

Probably missing a bunch. But you get the gist of it.

and the reason that the vast moajority of developers like Valve would release it for free is beacuse they USED to develope only for PC's as PC's USED to be the only platfrom with internet access..

Dreamcast

and the other reason is that if they charged for those updates they would just be pirated and wouldnt make money anyway..

What kind of argument is that? Besides, they're put out from updates that are automatically downloaded through steam. You can't really pirate their additionnal content unless you straight out pirate their games, many of which are multiplayer so it's pretty much moot. 

Blizzard is about the only company on earth that puts out "free" updates for games anymore and even then its because its part of the current xpac for WoW and that they just have finished that part yet...

AHAH WHAT? $20 mounts. Blizzard is with Activision now anyway.

not to mention that the production value (and by value I mean $$) has gone WAAY up. video games are now holding records for day 1 releases that would have only been obtainable by movies just a few years ago. if you go and look at hardware (to take a slight but related deviation) Sony lost TONS of money on the first several hundred thousand PS3's it sold. so whose to even say that EA makes any money on say for first 50k or so games its sells of any of its IPs?

So? EA is one of the biggest publisher, they certainly don't lack for investment capital to make games. Yet, they still come up with Dragon Age 2 and just recently announced DA3. Derp much?

You're just making my argument even stronger, in fact. If games cost so much to make, how come a very much smaller and independant company with no one to back them up like Valve continuously come up with AAA titles and free updates + additional content years after release?

and that brings me to my next point. if you don't think something is worth you $$ don't buy it. it isn't mandatory that you buy ANY dlc to play the game. like I stated earlier I bought some of the DLC for Fable 2 and it wasn't worth anything near what I paid for it so I haven't (and wont) buy any of the Fable 3 DLC. don't want to pay for it then don't pay for it.

And I don't. What I'm seeing, however, is how the industry is slowly falling into the pattern of cutting content from full games and charging for it later. Battlefield 3 is months away from release, yet they've already confirmed weapon and map DLCs. I'm not sure how you're able to do the mental gymnastics required to end up being ok with this.

[Someone With Mass]

BickDutt wrote...

Well, that's sad.

I do remember a small independent company that goes by the name of "Valve" which continues to put out massive free updates and services and YET continues to make massive profits years after years.

But a multi-billion corporation that owns half the market is having such a hard time paying its own employees that they have to split their games in half to make us buy them twice?

Wowee, just take my wallet, EA, I never knew you were in such hardships! My mind will be at ease that today your CEO will have something to feed his children...

Do you know what Valve have that EA don't? Steam. That might have something to do with it.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 mai 2011 - 09:33 .

[Bailey232]

BickDutt wrote...

not to mention that the production value (and by value I mean $$) has gone WAAY up. video games are now holding records for day 1 releases that would have only been obtainable by movies just a few years ago. if you go and look at hardware (to take a slight but related deviation) Sony lost TONS of money on the first several hundred thousand PS3's it sold. so whose to even say that EA makes any money on say for first 50k or so games its sells of any of its IPs?

So? EA is one of the biggest publisher, they certainly don't lack for investment capital to make games. Yet, they still come up with Dragon Age 2 and just recently announced DA3. Derp much?

You're just making my argument even stronger, in fact. If games cost so much to make, how come a very much smaller and independant company with no one to back them up like Valve continuously come up with AAA titles and free updates + additional content years after release?

I wouldn't really call Valve an indie developer, they're one of the biggest pc game developers. Valve also have all those ridiculous TF2 dlcs, those hat things.

[BickDutt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

BickDutt wrote...

Well, that's sad.

I do remember a small independent company that goes by the name of "Valve" which continues to put out massive free updates and services and YET continues to make massive profits years after years.

But a multi-billion corporation that owns half the market is having such a hard time paying its own employees that they have to split their games in half to make us buy them twice?

Wowee, just take my wallet, EA, I never knew you were in such hardships! My mind will be at ease that today your CEO will have something to feed his children...

Do you know what Valve have that EA don't? Steam. That might have soemthing to do with it.

Indeed. Valve could in fact charge for their content updates and no-one could do much about it. Pirating their updates and making them work on multiplayer games is downright impossible to do. Yet they choose to put them out for free anyway.

Edit: Pretty off-topic though, while i started talking about DLC and Valve because of a bioware tweet about DLC, it may be wise to jump back on track.

Modifié par BickDutt, 30 mai 2011 - 09:42 .

[stuboy52]

as far as i can tell if devs work to bring something out like a dlc even if it not long they are entitled to get paid for it if you dont like dont get the dlc and in my opinion ME2 dlc was well worth the money as you get alot more from ME2 dlc then a £10 Black ops map pack serious a map pack with a few new maps that robbery a few pounds for LOTSB now that id pay £10 for which thankfully i didnt.

[SergeySW]

"Like most key characters in the ME universe, Miranda and Jacob will be in ME3, but details beyond that would be story spoilers."
http://twitter.com/#...331508088487936

[Vertigo_1]

^This was already said before by him...

http://twitter.com/#...387623283245056
"Saw the basically final mass effect 3 e3 demo today...wow. No doubt in my mind our best demo, and our best game, ever."


http://twitter.com/#...350449544380416
"Ended my day watching the E3 demo, wow."


http://twitter.com/#...372787753160704
"Kaidan Alenko is back as a full time squad member in ME3, if he survived ME1."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 31 mai 2011 - 03:30 .

[JeffZero]

Alright, I'm getting a bit weak-kneed at last. Bring. On. E3. Argh!

[Vertigo_1]

http://twitter.com/#...388415729864704
"Shepard will have the ability to select a single bonus power, if you already have one it will replace the one you have"


http://twitter.com/#...425497684783104
"Will incendiary ammo be making a comeback? Its always been my favourite power when playing the soldier class!"

"Yep!"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 31 mai 2011 - 07:14 .

[JeffZero]

Haha, my cat starting purring more loudly as I read about incendiary ammo's return.

[Jebel Krong]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...

90% of DLC is not high quality stuff, it's stuff that should have already been in the game to begin with that I have to pay extra for.

I really hate when people say that.

The reason those DLCs weren't in the game was because they weren't finished in time. 

most of the dlc hadn't even been planned before the game came out, oh sure they leave some hooks in the game for the possibility, but game development is never a sure thing.
you're not "owed" anything by the developers, either: you bought the game on its merits - you pay for entertainment whether it's tv, movies, games/whatever why should extra dlc be different? people who say it should be free are the same sort of morons who try and justify piracy - the ones with real entitlement issues.
the thing is dlc supports game developers after the product is released - if the game is popular enough to support it, then economically instead of firing (parts of) the teams after the dev cycle finishes, before ramping on the next product, dlc enables the team to stay together through the process, creating dlc that then brings in revenue to cover the time between periods - everyone benefits and you don't have the same boom-bust cycle for publishers/employees between major releases.

[AlexRmF]

vader da slayer wrote...

I also laugh when I see people say "developers/publishers need to stop being greedy and release all DLC for free" when in a sense these people wanting it to be free are in a way showing greed themselves. and not even 6 years ago there was almost no such thing as DLC (for consoles at least). there might be a map pack here or there but that was it. you didn't get several hours of new gameplay or great new sets of gear to play with. so be happy that we can at least GET new stuff after the game comes out to keep it fresh and keep a new playthrough from seeming just like the last one each time we play the game.

I for one am playing the game almost the same for many months (most of the DLCs installed), and it really doesn't feel any fresher than it was when it first came out... the big problem my first time through it, when there were no DLCs, was that I missed a lot of equipment that had it been in the original game, it would've made my gaming experience way better. So, I agree with many people about the fact that DLCs are just cut out of the normal game for larger profits, and they don't actually add to it's lifespan.
what should happen with Bioware's DLCs at least would be for them to go on sale like the product they're designed for do, and they should all be made into a complete DLC pack for a single lower price than the individual purchases (throwing in weapon DLCs for free in that pack as a bonus)
The DLC pack shouldn't be confused with some type of Ultimate Edition, becase players might just want the DLCs and not to buy the whole game again.

[Fiery Phoenix]

http://twitter.com/#...642254307930112

"I can't get over how good the #ME3 Reapers sound. Prepare to have soul-reverberating nightmares ME fans. #BioWare"

By Reid Buckmaster, whose Twitter Javier should add to the OP.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 31 mai 2011 - 02:26 .

[El Mito]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...642254307930112

"I can't get over how good the #ME3 Reapers sound. Prepare to have soul-reverberating nightmares ME fans. #BioWare"

By Reid Buckmaster, whose Twitter Javier should add to the OP.

That's good news. I really hope they sound more like Sovereign than ol' Harby

[marshalleck]

Kinda funny seeing people get so cheesed by the obvious marketing hype. "Oh so-and-so says it's the best thing ever, omh I can't wait it will be amazing!!"

What are Bioware people going to tweet aside from things of that nature? "Just played E3 ME3 demo, it's awful and I can't wait to be booed off stage!"

[Vez04]

marshalleck wrote...

Kinda funny seeing people get so cheesed by the obvious marketing hype. "Oh so-and-so says it's the best thing ever, omh I can't wait it will be amazing!!"

What are Bioware people going to tweet aside from things of that nature? "Just played E3 ME3 demo, it's awful and I can't wait to be booed off stage!"

Compeltely Off Topic:

Thats the thing.

Once EA Press Conferance starts, then when ME3 Demo (and whatever else casey / co have in stores for us) there will be different reactions/opionions, and thats why i won't be reading the forums from monday-thursday. Not everyone will be pleased, i still have a fearful feeling off. don't wanna read negative comments once ME3 has beeing shown basically is what i mean.

Modifié par Vez04, 31 mai 2011 - 03:42 .