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[Drone223]

Terror_K wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

and "waste money adding Kinect support and MP" is just your opinion... kinect support may end up being just as great as the devs who tweet about it say it is, same as MP

While I'd be willing to concede that depending on how things turn out that MP may be okay, Kinect is just a massive waste of time in every respect. Not just with Mass Effect, but with any hardcore, AAA title. Kinect is one of many things from Microsoft that should just rot and die alone in a corner and be forgotten about forever. BioWare are either stupid or complete tools to have even considered it for ME2, let alone actuall put it in and wasted time on it.

Kinect requires very little resources and effort to add into ME3 and MP is being done be different team with its own budget,

[Terror_K]

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

[TobyHasEyes]

Terror_K wrote...

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

 Or that the budget came from EA who allocated that funding to be used on MP; new money not from the original budget

 When you have to include 'magical leprechauns' to make something sound unbelievable, that does suggest the original statement was believable

[Biotic Sage]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

 Or that the budget came from EA who allocated that funding to be used on MP; new money not from the original budget

 When you have to include 'magical leprechauns' to make something sound unbelievable, that does suggest the original statement was believable

The point still stands yo.  EA had a certain amount of money they were willing to spend on ME3 development.  That figure does not change.  Without multiplayer/kinect, the full amount of that figure goes to ME3 single player.

[kidbd15]

Terror_K wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

and "waste money adding Kinect support and MP" is just your opinion... kinect support may end up being just as great as the devs who tweet about it say it is, same as MP

While I'd be willing to concede that depending on how things turn out that MP may be okay, Kinect is just a massive waste of time in every respect. Not just with Mass Effect, but with any hardcore, AAA title. Kinect is one of many things from Microsoft that should just rot and die alone in a corner and be forgotten about forever. BioWare are either stupid or complete tools to have even considered it for ME2, let alone actuall put it in and wasted time on it.

Respect your opinion, but do not agree.  We can't say one way or another that Kinect is completely pointless until we ourselves try it.  That's fact. I can see the potential of Kinect, it could make the game more immersive... again, can't say until we try it.  To flat out say it's a waste of money in every respect without trying it first is ridiculous.  I can say however,  that if given the choice of implementing Kinect voice control or signing Beattie to reprise his role as Mordin, I would choose Beattie, but again, I cannot say Kinect was a complete waste of resources because it may be as great as the devs say it is.  Give it a chance, don't be so pessimistic about it... unless of course you don't have Kinect, then your stance makes much more sense as a person who doesn't want resources put in to something they don't have.

[TobyHasEyes]

Biotic Sage wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

 Or that the budget came from EA who allocated that funding to be used on MP; new money not from the original budget

 When you have to include 'magical leprechauns' to make something sound unbelievable, that does suggest the original statement was believable

The point still stands yo.  EA had a certain amount of money they were willing to spend on ME3 development.  That figure does not change.  Without multiplayer/kinect, the full amount of that figure goes to ME3 single player.

 And you know this how?

 EA gave Bioware a budget for ME2. They figure that if they include MP in ME3, they will sell more copies, so they are willing to invest dedicated funds to adding a MP component, judging that the increased sales will cover that new money. Which would mean that they had the same SP budget they were ever going to get, and a seperately funded MP development

 I am not saying I know this is the case, but it very easily could be, and is not either a dismissable theory nor equivalent to 'magical leprechauns'

[Biotic Sage]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

 Or that the budget came from EA who allocated that funding to be used on MP; new money not from the original budget

 When you have to include 'magical leprechauns' to make something sound unbelievable, that does suggest the original statement was believable

The point still stands yo.  EA had a certain amount of money they were willing to spend on ME3 development.  That figure does not change.  Without multiplayer/kinect, the full amount of that figure goes to ME3 single player.

 And you know this how?

 EA gave Bioware a budget for ME2. They figure that if they include MP in ME3, they will sell more copies, so they are willing to invest dedicated funds to adding a MP component, judging that the increased sales will cover that new money. Which would mean that they had the same SP budget they were ever going to get, and a seperately funded MP development

 I am not saying I know this is the case, but it very easily could be, and is not either a dismissable theory nor equivalent to 'magical leprechauns'

I guess I don't know this, but from what I understand about business, the entertainment industry, and budgets, I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption.  I would be far more surprised if it was something other than this, let's put it that way. 

Anyway, Terror_K's "magical leprechauns" rhetoric was just making the same point that I was, just in a more extravegant manner.  Wasn't actually saying that it was magical leprechauns who would have to be responsible.  Hyperbole for persuasive purposes.

[Vapaa]

Biotic Sage wrote...

The point still stands yo.  EA had a certain amount of money they were willing to spend on ME3 development.  That figure does not change.  Without multiplayer/kinect, the full amount of that figure goes to ME3 single player.

Not necessarly, we don't know how EA allocate their ressources, would the amount of ressources for ME3 be the same if ME3 was not going to have MP ? I can totally see EA saying "well I'm not putting this much money in a SP-only game".

Speculations....speculations everywhere.

[Biotic Sage]

Vapaä wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

The point still stands yo.  EA had a certain amount of money they were willing to spend on ME3 development.  That figure does not change.  Without multiplayer/kinect, the full amount of that figure goes to ME3 single player.

Not necessarly, we don't know how EA allocate their ressources, would the amount of ressources for ME3 be the same if ME3 was not going to have MP ? I can totally see EA saying "well I'm not putting this much money in a SP-only game".

Speculations....speculations everywhere.

I was just outlining Terror K's point.  Not saying that I absolutely know for certain that's how things are going down.  "Terror K had a point under that hypothetical scenario" is really all my point was.  And I have to say that I personally find that hypothetical scenario to be the most likely.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[Terror_K]

kidbd15 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

While I'd be willing to concede that depending on how things turn out that MP may be okay, Kinect is just a massive waste of time in every respect. Not just with Mass Effect, but with any hardcore, AAA title. Kinect is one of many things from Microsoft that should just rot and die alone in a corner and be forgotten about forever. BioWare are either stupid or complete tools to have even considered it for ME2, let alone actuall put it in and wasted time on it.

Respect your opinion, but do not agree.  We can't say one way or another that Kinect is completely pointless until we ourselves try it.  That's fact. I can see the potential of Kinect, it could make the game more immersive... again, can't say until we try it.  To flat out say it's a waste of money in every respect without trying it first is ridiculous.  I can say however,  that if given the choice of implementing Kinect voice control or signing Beattie to reprise his role as Mordin, I would choose Beattie, but again, I cannot say Kinect was a complete waste of resources because it may be as great as the devs say it is.  Give it a chance, don't be so pessimistic about it... unless of course you don't have Kinect, then your stance makes much more sense as a person who doesn't want resources put in to something they don't have.

I think you seem to be missing my point. Kinect in and of itself, with Mass Effect not even part of the equation, is a complete and total waste of time. I don't care about "trying it out" or anything, because as far as I'm concerned it can't be decent because it's Kinect. Kinect is to the XBox 360 what Windows Vista was to PCs: a horrible, vile piece of disease-carrying excrement that Microsoft slid out to the comsumer and tried to force down our throats whether we're interested or not. Adding Mass Effect to a pile of faeces doesn't make the pile of faeces good... it just makes the previously good thing bad and smeared in faeces.

[naledgeborn]

LOL... Kinect technology isn't that bad. Some dude was trying to build an "omnitool" out of it. Despite being rough around the edges it looked quite promising.

[Phaedon]

Terror_K wrote...

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

Actually, it is beyond doubt that that did happen.

Maybe except for the magical leprechaun part, unless you really consider EA that. We have already been told that that is how budget is managed. For example, for the addition of the Kinect feature, EA handed a certain amount of money to BioWare. The Uber Collector's Edition that was originally planned was eventually cancelled because EA didn't give the green light to the suggestion. It's pretty simple. If you don't believe me, go bother Brennon Holmes about it. He was the first one to claim that that is how it worked anyway.

[Candidate 88766]

Why do people instantly assume that more money=better SP? Take Limbo and, say, War in the North for example. Limbo clearly had a far smaller budget and yet remains one of the most critically acclaimed games of recent years. War in the North would've had a far greater budget, but has received pretty average reviews.

Throwing money at a game doesn't necessarily make it better. Its not a case of here's another million dollars, you can now include another planet in your game.

For something like MP, EA would almost certainly have been willing to raise the budget anyway - with Bioware doing something that could boost sales, EA is going to encourage them. Likewise with Kinect Microsoft was likely willing to pool a little bit of money and expertise in order to implement Kinect on yet another game.



Finally, this is the Twitter thread. Either make a new thread or continue this in PMs guys - we don't want this getting locked by Woo and his almighty banhammer.

[Phaedon]

There's nothing to continue in PMs. That's a fact.

I am unhappy about Michael not returning too, but I am willing to give the new guy a chance.

[Candidate 88766]

Phaedon wrote...

There's nothing to continue in PMs. That's a fact.

I am unhappy about Michael not returning too, but I am willing to give the new guy a chance.

Yeah, I suppose you're right actually.

And I'm pretty gutted by it too, but I'm gonna put it down to Mordin's old age - his voice is bound to start changing a bit as he grows older, and he was pretty old when ME2 began. They'll probably make any new voice sound very similar through techno-stuff anyway.

[Fredvdp]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

There's nothing to continue in PMs. That's a fact.

I am unhappy about Michael not returning too, but I am willing to give the new guy a chance.

Yeah, I suppose you're right actually.

And I'm pretty gutted by it too, but I'm gonna put it down to Mordin's old age - his voice is bound to start changing a bit as he grows older, and he was pretty old when ME2 began. They'll probably make any new voice sound very similar through techno-stuff anyway.

I don't mind a different voice as long as the acting is just as good. That's the problem. Michael Beattie is in my opinion the best voice actor in Mass Effect. If the new guy does it as well as Beattie, I'll consider myself a fan of his.

[JeffZero]

Same here, Fred. Beattie is definitely the series' best voice actor thus far, and that's saying something considering just about everyone is above-par.

[Cossack72]

Plan for tonight:

-Watch VGA's muted until ME3 comes on

-Unmute

-Watch trailer and have fangasm everywhere

-Change channel and go to BSN to gush



I get the feeling I'm not the only one with that plan

Modifié par Cossack72, 10 décembre 2011 - 02:04 .

[JeffZero]

I have a couple of other VGA pieces I'm interested in, but it's mostly going to be about ME3, yeah.

[jamskinner]

Biotic Sage wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Oh riiight! I forgot that the budget for MP came from magical leprechauns that promised it to BioWare if they ONLY used it on MP and thus it doesn't come out of ME3's overall budget at all!

 Or that the budget came from EA who allocated that funding to be used on MP; new money not from the original budget

 When you have to include 'magical leprechauns' to make something sound unbelievable, that does suggest the original statement was believable

The point still stands yo.  EA had a certain amount of money they were willing to spend on ME3 development.  That figure does not change.  Without multiplayer/kinect, the full amount of that figure goes to ME3 single player.

They maybe had a certain amount they would spend on sp.  And an additional amount for mp if implemented.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Cossack72 wrote...

Plan for tonight:

-Watch VGA's muted until ME3 comes on

-Unmute

-Watch trailer and have fangasm everywhere

-Change channel and go to BSN to gush



I get the feeling I'm not the only one with that plan

My plan:

Let in my guests

Go to another room, drinking ofc
Go watch ME3 SVGA broadcast while they are wasted in another room (i love having 'strong' head)

[MegaBadExample]

Cossack72 wrote...

Plan for tonight:

-Watch VGA's muted until ME3 comes on

-Unmute

-Watch trailer and have fangasm everywhere

-Change channel and go to BSN to gush



I get the feeling I'm not the only one with that plan

Plan for tonight:

- Avoid femshep fans.

[Beerfish]

A lot of you people are doing fine impersonations of casey hudson in the 'casey hudson says' thread. I come into this thread to see what developers are tweeting not to see the normal whinging on topics such as mutliplayer, kinect and the voice or mordin. I would hazard to guess I'm not alone in this.

[Unschuld]

If you have ideas of what better to do in between tweets than discussing their fallout, please make a suggestion.

[ArkkAngel007]

Unschuld wrote...

If you have ideas of what better to do in between tweets than discussing their fallout, please make a suggestion.

Post your arguments in their related topics would be the optimum suggestion.  I realize folks want to make a point, but that isn't the purpose of this thread.  It is strictly about the tweets and our reactions to it, nothing more or less.  There are multiple threads and groups out there that discuss the controversies of multiplayer and kinect features, as well as the beta leak.  

There is nothing wrong with some extra discussions going on here and there, but when it comes to already bloated, heated topics such as origin and budget allocations, those can be served better on their respectful threads.   After all there is a whole forum out there to be discovered.

Anyways, back on topic, Michael Beattie will be missed in ME3, but it shouldn't ruin the overall experience.  As for the VGA's, if it weren't for the reveals, I wouldn't be watching them.  Just doesn't really jibe well with me.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:26 .