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[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I found this amusing:

twitter.com/#!/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179376106565140480
"Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT..."

twitter.com/#!/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179376258600275968
"... fans upset about my #Revan novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference."

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twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/179349131934957569
"The mass effect data pad will be available tonight on the iOS store for FREE!"

That IS amusing. 

[HiroVoid]

DJCS wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I found this amusing:

twitter.com/#!/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179376106565140480
"Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT..."

twitter.com/#!/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179376258600275968
"... fans upset about my #Revan novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference."

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twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/179349131934957569
"The mass effect data pad will be available tonight on the iOS store for FREE!"

That IS amusing. 

Even though I hate the endings, I have to admit Drew's quote made me laugh since that's what I've been thinking since people have been talking about that.

[Maugrim]

Yeah the people going "Drew/Chris/Random other writer here" made ME great and would've saved it all by themselves really annoy me. It both gives them too much credit and the other writers too little. Sad thing is if Drew had stayed on and had a similar ending like he seems to imply...it still would've been ****! Doesn't matter if he wrote it but there are hero worshippers who hate the endings as is but would do a 180 on their opinion if Drew actually said "This is what I intended and wanted"

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 13 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Well hes gone further than anyone working for Bioware has to admit his short comings. I haven't read the book personally, but I admire that he acknowledged his fans. "If you make a mistake you own up to it, even if you keep making it." Remember that, Bioware?

[CerberusSoldier]

JamieCOTC wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

They have to be talking about a new storyline set in the same universe, I think ME3's endings are final.

One word. Prequel.  It worked for George Lucas right? 

   


George Lucas finished his story. Bioware needs to fix the ending of ME 3 . but no matter us ultra hardcore Star Wars fans need not worry. This franchise is a Star Wars wanna be

[Amikae]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Yeah the people going "Drew/Chris/Random other writer here" made ME great and would've saved it all by themselves really annoy me. It both gives them too much credit and the other writers too little. Sad thing is if Drew had stayed on and had a similar ending like he seems to imply...it still would've been ****! Doesn't matter if he wrote it but there are hero worshippers who hate the endings as is but would do a 180 on their opinion if Drew actually said "This is what I intended and wanted"

Dude, don't get so cocky, just because the guy is humble. Fact is, he pretty much created this universe being the lead writer of ME1 and as far as I can remember, that's the universe we all loved.

I bet he made that joke because he has no idea exactly how horrible ME3 ends. If it hurts us so much, it would hurt him tenfold to see his creation gutted like this.

Modifié par Amikae, 13 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[ADLegend21]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Yeah the people going "Drew/Chris/Random other writer here" made ME great and would've saved it all by themselves really annoy me. It both gives them too much credit and the other writers too little. Sad thing is if Drew had stayed on and had a similar ending like he seems to imply...it still would've been ****! Doesn't matter if he wrote it but there are hero worshippers who hate the endings as is but would do a 180 on their opinion if Drew actually said "This is what I intended and wanted"

^This.

[Toshir]

I find Drew to be overrated outside his Bane novels...

His TOR work was horrendous.

[Nachtritter76]

MRedfield wrote...

Unplug your console or computer and spend no less than a week outside, doing things that have nothing to do with video games

It's -40°C out here. Not exactly "spend a night out" kinda temperature.

But ok, you go ahead. I'll be right behind you.

[K_Tabris]

Oh, I'm sorry we annoy you( sarcasm), but the ending sucked that bad, there had to be some way to express it.

It's possibly true if they had hired a writer who knew what Bioware was about, providing quality stories with quality endings, then maybe so many people wouldn't be tweeting this stuff to Drew et al.

[Amikae]

It's very interresting, because Drew almost slipped something about the endings:

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point, but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."

A guy then asks him for more details to which he responds:

"Nope. Already said more than I should. I don't like discussing things I wasn't involved with - too easy to say something stupid."

It's really interresting, because ME3's ending aren't really about the reapers and the relays. So I wonder what his ending would have been like.

Modifié par Amikae, 13 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/179432919058747392

"Lots of great feedback coming in on #MassEffect3 - keep it coming! We listen to it all."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 mars 2012 - 05:16 .

[devSin]

Amikae wrote...

It's really interresting, because ME3's ending aren't really about the reapers and the relays. So I wonder what his ending would have been like.

I'm sorry, but the dark energy plot was just as stupid.

The Reapers have never been portrayed as solving anything. And the timescales for something like this are beyond comprehension. Stars would be dissolving right in front of us if they were really "out of time". And you don't solve a problem by distancing yourself from all life for 50,000 years at a time.

I honestly think Drew had no plan at all when they were writing Sovereign. He just wrote "big alien god machine" without any thought of what the end result would be two games down the line.

[BentOrgy]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/179432919058747392

"Lots of great feedback coming in on #MassEffect3 - keep it coming! We listen to it all."

Then again; this is the same man who declared Deception fit for release after he "Reviewed," it. I don't think he actually reads anything anymore.

[MegaBadExample]

I wonder how Bioware will handle the dlc now. I'm not expecting much since they can't hire back all the squadmates to make certain things right. Well, maybe they'll hire Liara's VA... You know how it goes.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 13 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Yeah the people going "Drew/Chris/Random other writer here" made ME great and would've saved it all by themselves really annoy me. It both gives them too much credit and the other writers too little. Sad thing is if Drew had stayed on and had a similar ending like he seems to imply...it still would've been ****! Doesn't matter if he wrote it but there are hero worshippers who hate the endings as is but would do a 180 on their opinion if Drew actually said "This is what I intended and wanted"

Drew's supposed ending would've been much better. Why? Because this whole Organic vs AI thing was NEVER a big theme of Mass Effect. The game's content completely contradicts the little space bastard's motivations.

At least the dark energy thing would've kep in line with the game's themes.

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/scyllacosta/status/179443840359477248

"Food for thought. www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/"

LOL, that is all.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[BentOrgy]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

At least the dark energy thing would've kep in line with the game's themes.

That's something I think helped lead the series into the festering final ten minutes it had; ME1 was an iconic hero-based Space Opera, with many thematic elements and aesthetics that tied it together; elements and aesthetics that were largely forgotten in ME2 and ME3.

Drew, as Lead writer and generally the man behind the setting (Along with Casey.) was in charge (Among other things.) of laying out these themes and keeping the other writers aware of them. When Mac Walters took over as Lead in ME2, we saw a drastic change in pacing, visual aesthetic, and focus, things that remained changed in ME3, with some drifting even further away than before.

In short, yes; if Drew Karpyshyn had been Lead for all three games, even if the endings were similar to the ones we have now, their execution, context, and reaction would have probably been drastically different. Simply because of Drew's storytelling style. And in my opinion, they would have been different for the better; because they would have been in line with the original feel of Mass Effect 1.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/scyllacosta/status/179443840359477248

"Food for thought. www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/"

LOL, that is all.

Oh my god, who is that? Does he/she have anything to do with ME3?

[BentOrgy]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

"Food for thought. www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/"

LOL, that is all.

I find it hilarious that people rave about Clint being involved, when he wrote two tracks, and one of them was an overture.

[Esbatty]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/179432919058747392

"Lots of great feedback coming in on #MassEffect3 - keep it coming! We listen to it all."

One of the best parts of ME3 was overhearing the conversations all over the Citadel. The hospital one with the PTSD Asari is just... craziness. The Purgatory entrance with the Two Turian C-Sec officers is hilarious.

[Gibb_Shepard]

BentOrgy wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

At least the dark energy thing would've kep in line with the game's themes.

That's something I think helped lead the series into the festering final ten minutes it had; ME1 was an iconic hero-based Space Opera, with many thematic elements and aesthetics that tied it together; elements and aesthetics that were largely forgotten in ME2 and ME3.

Drew, as Lead writer and generally the man behind the setting (Along with Casey.) was in charge (Among other things.) of laying out these themes and keeping the other writers aware of them. When Mac Walters took over as Lead in ME2, we saw a drastic change in pacing, visual aesthetic, and focus, things that remained changed in ME3, with some drifting even further away than before.

In short, yes; if Drew Karpyshyn had been Lead for all three games, even if the endings were similar to the ones we have now, their execution, context, and reaction would have probably been drastically different. Simply because of Drew's storytelling style. And in my opinion, they would have been different for the better; because they would have been in line with the original feel of Mass Effect 1.

It's funny though. The writers directly contradict themselves in ME3, not just the previous games. The Space kid's motivation directly contradicts everything we have seen in ME3. 

Out of everything the ending does wrong, the ultimate crap hole is the AI child's motivations. It would be a fine motivation, had Mass Effect actually had AI vs Organics as anything close to a main theme. The Geth were a side-plot throughout the entirety of the ME series. This wasn't Deus Ex.

What is fundamentally wrong with this is actually illustrated in the main game. If you're going to pull this motivation, there has to be foreshadowing to WHY it's actually a legitimate motivation. Instead, we get the COMPLETE opposite.

"The creations will always rebel against their creators". In this game alone, it shows that the creation can make PEACE with the creators. That they can stand under a common banner. That they can even love one another (Joker and EDI). You can't come out and tell us that AI and Organics can never live peacefully when the entire game has shown us otherwise.

If you truly wanted this motivation to fly, you should've made the Geth uncompromisable. You should've made it impossible to let them make peace with their creators, you should've made EDI a hell of a lot less idyllic. Don't even get me started with how this motivation ties into previous games. How the only reason the Geth attacked in the first place was because of the Reapers. How Geth only killed Quarians out of self defence, not out of the underlying need to destroy their creators.

The AI child is treated as the voice of reason, the be all and end all. Shepard cannot question this thing, meaning that it is indeed the embodiment of the ultimate truth. What should have been done is the showing that this AI child is a FLAWED machine. That it cannot comprehend the possibility of change; that it saw AI destroy organics once, and thinks that ultimately it is a prophecy that cannot be broken.

[Vertigo_1]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/scyllacosta/status/179443840359477248

"Food for thought. www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/"

LOL, that is all.

Oh my god, who is that? Does he/she have anything to do with ME3?

His profile doesn't say it anymore but here:
ca.linkedin.com/in/scyllacosta

On Mass Effect 3 I am responsible for Programming, Gameplay, Online,
Character Art, Animation, VFX, Tools, Performance and GUI teams.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[BentOrgy]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

It's funny though. The writers directly contradict themselves in ME3, not just the previous games. The Space kid's motivation directly contradicts everything we have seen in ME3. 

Out of everything the ending does wrong, the ultimate crap hole is the AI child's motivations. It would be a fine motivation, had Mass Effect actually had AI vs Organics as anything close to a main theme. The Geth were a side-plot throughout the entirety of the ME series. This wasn't Deus Ex.

What is fundamentally wrong with this is actually illustrated in the main game. If you're going to pull this motivation, there has to be foreshadowing to WHY it's actually a legitimate motivation. Instead, we get the COMPLETE opposite.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">"The creations will always rebel against their creators". In this game alone, it shows that the creation can make PEACE with the creators. That they can stand under a common banner. That they can even ]love[/color] one another (Joker and EDI). You can't come out and tell us that AI and Organics can never live peacefully when the entire game has shown us otherwise.

If you truly wanted this motivation to fly, you should've made the Geth uncompromisable. You should've made it impossible to let them make peace with their creators, you should've made EDI a hell of a lot less idyllic. Don't even get me started with how this motivation ties into previous games. How the only reason the Geth attacked in the first place was because of the Reapers. How Geth only killed Quarians out of self defence, not out of the underlying need to destroy their creators.

The AI child is treated as the voice of reason, the be all and end all. Shepard cannot question this thing, meaning that it is indeed the embodiment of the ultimate truth. What should have been done is the showing that this AI child is a FLAWED machine. That it cannot comprehend the possibility of change; that it saw AI destroy organics once, and thinks that ultimately it is a prophecy that cannot be broken.

Oh no, I completely agree. It was about as random for me, as was the "Earth First!" marketing pre-release. Both seemed to completely miss the point of the series.

In addition to contradicitng the series' established themes, the Catalyst also contradicted a very simple plot element: Why the hell didn't it stop the Protheans 50,000 years ago when they sabotaged the Reaper's entrance? The entire idea was staggeringly idiotic because of this, and the thigns yoy and I have mentioned.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 13 mars 2012 - 06:08 .