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[charmingcharlie]

IsaacShep wrote...  Without playing EC they can't know whether the endings ain't better now so the argument is invalid

Yes they do know, I am not part of the HTL movement but even I know that the EC is going to be a failure as far as I am concerned.  How do I know it will be a failure for me ?  simple it is NOT solving the issues I have with the ending which I won't go into here.  I do not need Bioware to "clarify" the ending for me, I have no problem understanding the ending.  My problem is the ending is utter crap and unless they are going to completely change that (which they aren't) then the EC will fail to address my problems with the ending.

[Iakus]

IsaacShep wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

Bioware are not doing "better" endings with the EC.  All Bioware are doing is "clarifying" the endings which is not enough for those in the HTL movement.

Without playing EC they can't know whether the endings ain't better now so the argument is invalid

Not entirely.  

It's been made quite clear that EC will not have any new endings, nor will the endings we did get be changed.  All we're getting is more expansion; more details.

So for those who hated the endings we are just getting...more ending...The same things are still going to happen, nothing's getting retconned or changed.

So what are people supposed to think?  How is this going to be any "better" if it's just going to be more of the same?  If I hate mushrooms, how is getting a second bowl of the same thing going to be any better than the first? 

Not that I want to turn this into another ending debate, but I find the HTL group has merit.  And frankly with the stuff they have to put up with on from fellow forumgoers here has me totally unsuprised that they moved to their own forums.

Okay, done now

Modifié par iakus, 23 mai 2012 - 04:24 .

[shepskisaac]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Yes they do know

No they don't. People can argue about it as much as they can, the fact is that unless people actually do read/watch/play whatever content they're talking about, they can't say "it will suck/be great". Simple.

[Atakuma]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It would be far easier to judge whether the EC will be worthwhile or not if Bioware was more forthcoming in providing information on it.

That's exactly why they aren't doing that. There is no ppoint in having it get picked apart before release.

[charmingcharlie]

IsaacShep wrote...  No they don't. People can argue about it as much as they can, the fact is that unless people actually do read/watch/play whatever content they're talking about, they can't say "it will suck/be great". Simple.

It will suck because they are stayhing with the current ending that a lot of people are NOT happy with.  Why are you even arguing this point ?  All the EC is doing is "clarifying" the ending, if someone hates the ending and all that star brat crap then how likely is it they are going to go "oh wonderful they clarified everything I hated about the ending what an excellent DLC that was" .

I am not one of those that go "oh the last 10 minutes suck" I think the game went to utter crap right after Thessia.  The EC will suck for people like me that find the final few hours of ME 3 to be complete and utter BS.

[Tazzmission]

Atakuma wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It would be far easier to judge whether the EC will be worthwhile or not if Bioware was more forthcoming in providing information on it.

That's exactly why they aren't doing that. There is no ppoint in having it get picked apart before release.

this^ people just have to wait and i know its hard to do such a thing

[shepskisaac]

charmingcharlie wrote...

It will suck because they are stayhing with the current ending that a lot of people are NOT happy with.  Why are you even arguing this point ?

For the same reason people are arguing game reviewers who didn't actually finished/play games (or movie critics before actually watching movies) yet are giving good/bad scores. It's simple - until something is released and you play/read/watch it, whatever you say about it is pure speculation.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 mai 2012 - 04:49 .

[charmingcharlie]

IsaacShep wrote...  It's simple - until something is released, whatever you say about it is and you play/read/watch it, whatever you say about it is pure speculation.

Nope it isn't "pure speculation" we have been told several times by Bioware that the EC will NOT add new endings and it will NOT change the ending.   I want them to change the ending, they are have told me they are NOT going to change the ending, therefore in my eyes the EC will be a complete and utter failure because it will not be delivering what I want (seriously how hard is it to comprehend this).

[loungeshep]

Amazing how people start movements over the dumbest things.

[shepskisaac]

charmingcharlie wrote...

(seriously how hard is it to comprehend this).

How hard it is to comperhend that just because you don't like the endings and you're currently in a mood to criticise Bioware about everything doesn't change the always-actual logic that your opinion on something you didn't read/watch/play yet is not valid.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[Bronze65]

charmingcharlie wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...  It's simple - until something is released, whatever you say about it is and you play/read/watch it, whatever you say about it is pure speculation.

Nope it isn't "pure speculation" we have been told several times by Bioware that the EC will NOT add new endings and it will NOT change the ending.   I want them to change the ending, they are have told me they are NOT going to change the ending, therefore in my eyes the EC will be a complete and utter failure because it will not be delivering what I want (seriously how hard is it to comprehend this).

Yes, it is pure speculation. You have no idea what the EC entails. None. It could feature gameplay and explain the endings and make them the most logical thing in existence. Or it could be a PowerPoint slide show. Nobody knows.

[charmingcharlie]

IsaacShep wrote...  How hard it is to comperhend that just because you don't like the endings and you're currently in a mood to criticise Bioware about everything doesn't change the always-actual logic that your opinion on something you didn't read/watch/play yet is not valid.

IsaacShep I am not going to keep this argument going because it is totally pointless you will not accept my postion and I won't accept yours.  The FACT that Bioware has STATED that they WILL NOT change the ending means for people such as myself the EC is a failure.  It does not matter what they do with the quality of the EC, they could hire Pixar to do the CGI  for all I care it would still be a failure because it does NOT address the issues I have with the ending.

Now all you keep doing is going " but but you haven't seen it yet so how can you judge" I can judge it because Bioware has already told us that they will NOT change the ending.  Now you will no doubt do another stupid post going "but but but you haven't seen it so how can you judge something you haven't seen".  To which I would reply with the same damn thing again etc etc.

Bronze65 wrote...Yes, it is pure speculation. You have no idea what the EC entails. None. It could feature gameplay and explain the endings and make them the most logical thing in existence. Or it could be a PowerPoint slide show. Nobody knows.

I don't care if it features gameplay, I don't care how much it explains the ending.  I hate the ending full stop it is one of the stupidest endings I have ever had the misfortune to experience.  There is NOTHING that can be done to the ending that will make me happy with this ending other than scrapping it and actually putting some work into a NEW ending.  Bioware have stated they are NOT going to do that, this is not speculation they have stated they will not change or add new endings.  I do not like the current ending whatsoever there is nothing Bioware can do to repair this ending that will make it satisfactory to me.

I know it will not have new endings and I know it will not have a change ending because Bioware have stated that.  Seriously how the hell is that "speculation" ?  I know what Bioware are doing because they told me and it does not address my concerns about the ending therefore for me the EC is a failure.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 23 mai 2012 - 05:39 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

CARL_DF90 wrote...


The only thing we know so far is that Bioware has pretty much said that,"it'll get done when it's done", which is an approach I wholeheartedly agree with. We don't need anymore rush jobs.

That's all we know for certain right now. All else is speculation.

That's disappointing, I want to play ME3 again but I can't do it with that ending, 2 times were enough to never touch it again until things are fixed. I guess if they're taking a long time then its better for everyone and if they're not saying anything then they probably don't want another mess. I hope this is what that means, we all thought ME3 wouldn't go down the same way that DA2 went and then this happened. 

[shepskisaac]

charmingcharlie wrote...
To which I would reply with the same damn thing again etc etc.

Nope, I'm done. Let's just hope you will never become a movie critic/game reviewer. I don't like to read reviews from people who didn't even watch/play the content they're talking about

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/205339103787622400
"Today at our gameplay design meeting we're going to discuss the design of Diablo III. Interested to hear the likes/dislikes of my colleagues"

It's nice that they have these kinds of meetings for that...I'd love to be a part of them =P

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 23 mai 2012 - 05:47 .

[AVPen]

 

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It would be far easier to judge whether the EC will be worthwhile or not if Bioware was more forthcoming in providing information on it.

^ This... so much this.

Atakuma wrote...

That's exactly why they aren't doing that. There is no ppoint in having it get picked apart before release.

You mean like their PR/Marketing Department's genius handling of ME3's pre-release marketing? 

[Bronze65]

charmingcharlie wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...  How hard it is to comperhend that just because you don't like the endings and you're currently in a mood to criticise Bioware about everything doesn't change the always-actual logic that your opinion on something you didn't read/watch/play yet is not valid.

IsaacShep I am not going to keep this argument going because it is totally pointless you will not accept my postion and I won't accept yours.  The FACT that Bioware has STATED that they WILL NOT change the ending means for people such as myself the EC is a failure.  It does not matter what they do with the quality of the EC, they could hire Pixar to do the CGI  for all I care it would still be a failure because it does NOT address the issues I have with the ending.

Now all you keep doing is going " but but you haven't seen it yet so how can you judge" I can judge it because Bioware has already told us that they will NOT change the ending.  Now you will no doubt do another stupid post going "but but but you haven't seen it so how can you judge something you haven't seen".  To which I would reply with the same damn thing again etc etc.

Bronze65 wrote...Yes, it is pure speculation. You have no idea what the EC entails. None. It could feature gameplay and explain the endings and make them the most logical thing in existence. Or it could be a PowerPoint slide show. Nobody knows.

I don't care if it features gameplay, I don't care how much it explains the ending.  I hate the ending full stop it is one of the stupidest endings I have ever had the misfortune to experience.  There is NOTHING that can be done to the ending that will make me happy with this ending other than scrapping it and actually putting some work into a NEW ending.  Bioware have stated they are NOT going to do that, this is not speculation they have stated they will not change or add new endings.  I do not like the current ending whatsoever there is nothing Bioware can do to repair this ending that will make it satisfactory to me.

I know it will not have new endings and I know it will not have a change ending because Bioware have stated that.  Seriously how the hell is that "speculation" ?  I know what Bioware are doing because they told me and it does not address my concerns about the ending therefore for me the EC is a failure.

Well, I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinions, no matter how asinine yours might be.

[xsdob]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/205339103787622400
"Today at our gameplay design meeting we're going to discuss the design of Diablo III. Interested to hear the likes/dislikes of my colleagues"

It's nice that they have these kinds of meetings for that...I'd love to be a part of them =P

:huh:Gamplay design meeting? :blink:Is that for the company as a whole or for the extended cut?

Becuase if for the ec, than all I have to say is,

:O"HOLY CRAP THEY'RE ADDING GAMEPLAY!!!!"

...sorry about that, I just...got carried away.

[Atakuma]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/205339103787622400
"Today at our gameplay design meeting we're going to discuss the design of Diablo III. Interested to hear the likes/dislikes of my colleagues"

It's nice that they have these kinds of meetings for that...I'd love to be a part of them =P

What's there to discuss? It's a hack'n'slash lootfest.

[BrookerT]

Atakuma wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/205339103787622400
"Today at our gameplay design meeting we're going to discuss the design of Diablo III. Interested to hear the likes/dislikes of my colleagues"

It's nice that they have these kinds of meetings for that...I'd love to be a part of them =P

What's there to discuss? It's a hack'n'slash lootfest.

An incredibly addictive hack'n'slash lootfest which just became the fastest selling PC Game ever.

[devSin]

BrookerT wrote...

An incredibly addictive hack'n'slash lootfest which just became the fastest selling PC Game ever.

That sold more copies in 24 hours (on one platform) than will likely be ME3's total lifetime sales (on all three platforms).

They have a bit of work to do, but they got so much right in bringing things forward. It'll be interesting to see how the current balance complaints pan out. Tons of fun, and it's still Diablo.

[BrookerT]

devSin wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

An incredibly addictive hack'n'slash lootfest which just became the fastest selling PC Game ever.

That sold more copies in 24 hours (on one platform) than will likely be ME3's total lifetime sales (on all three platforms).

They have a bit of work to do, but they got so much right in bringing things forward. It'll be interesting to see how the current balance complaints pan out. Tons of fun, and it's still Diablo.

a decade of hype will do that for a games release, but gotta give blizzard credit where its due, they really do know how to make a game addictive, I think the player base did more to sell that game than blizzard itself.

[Link Ashland 614]

xsdob wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/manveerheir/status/205339103787622400
"Today at our gameplay design meeting we're going to discuss the design of Diablo III. Interested to hear the likes/dislikes of my colleagues"

It's nice that they have these kinds of meetings for that...I'd love to be a part of them =P

:huh:Gamplay design meeting? :blink:Is that for the company as a whole or for the extended cut?

Becuase if for the ec, than all I have to say is,

:O"HOLY CRAP THEY'RE ADDING GAMEPLAY!!!!"

...sorry about that, I just...got carried away.

Not for the EC

For a boss fight in one of the DLCs however....