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[Fiery Phoenix]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Pacifen retired?

Yup, for a while now. No idea why.

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu, a pro damage control tip mate. Stop linking to a thread that says that no ME2 squadmates will be back. At least change the title to something less incriminating.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

I can't change the title because Pacifien locked the thread on my request and has retires as a mod recently.

And although I admit the title of that thread has become somewhat off, the main idea of that thread is spot on:

lol

The ME3 squad will be smaller, more interactive, and that means that those affected by the Variables will have their roles reduced, in comparison to the unaffected henchmen.

Now, Liara and Virmire Survivor are the only two former squadmates, that are alive in all saves. Others are expendable => waste of ME3 resources.

=> ME2 squadmates = cameos, DLCs.
__________________________________________________________________________
On another note, make up a list of up to 5 new squadmates you wish to be in ME3. Be serious!

Are you serious anymore.

Variables really have minor effects, and any programming team could do any of this:

Phaedon wrote...








These are states, not variables, variables would have been considerably less.
(Add ALIVE and DEAD states for Morinth)

The inclusion of the squadmates, makes it evident that variables are not an issue. Out of any of these effects, you know what's the only one that could really affect character development?

Romances.


Oh and guess, what, Casey Hudson just confirmed that new players will receive intros, while imported Shepards will have a "finale" in the romance. In fact, even the ME1 returning squaddies (Liara, VS) would have that problem. Which simply does not apply. Romance just begins in a later stage.


There you go, character development flies out off the window as an argument. Next.

[Someone With Mass]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Pacifen retired?

Yup, for a while now. No idea why.

Considering what she had to work with, I'm not that surprised. Anyone would break sooner or later.

[Phaedon]

thurmanator692 wrote...

A chart and everything? dang

And these are not even variables these are states.

As far as I know, the save editor works with states, but the programming languange works with true/false flags.

As in.

If Garrus.Flag.Alive=true then [...] else [...]

Modifié par Phaedon, 11 mai 2011 - 08:40 .

[jamesp81]

Phaedon wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Sith_exar_kun wrote...

Infact, we have proof they are full squadmates, have you got proof that they aren't?

that kinda defeats the purpose of debating, doesn't it?

Casey Hudson also defeats the purpose of debating, what's your point?

As does Chuck Norris.  Therefore, I declare that Zulu and his allies are wrong.

Now, let's get out the beer and have a party.

[Phaedon]

jamesp81 wrote...
As does Chuck Norris.  Therefore, I declare that Zulu and his allies are wrong.

Now, let's get out the beer and have a party.

That sounds good.

[Phaedon]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

A chart and everything? dang

And these are not even variables these are states.

As far as I know, the save editor works with states, but the programming languange works with true/false flags.

As in.

If Garrus.Flag.Alive=true then [...] else [...]

well, they vary so they're variables.............im done lol

No, I meant that the actual variables are 50% less complex.

[jlb524]

RE: the character redesign argument...all characters have been redesigned, regardless of being full-time squad mates or not.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

this thread wrote...

SQUADMATES:
"Twelve was a big number in Mass Effect 2 - almost too big", Hudson concedes. "We're focused on a smaller squad with deeper relationships and more interesting interplay in Mass Effect 3' he explains.  "We're not going to have twelve again but we are going to do more with the characters on  your squad including Liara, and Kaidan or Ashley. And we're bringing everyone back - every main character is in Mass Effect 3 somewhere"

So was I right again?

Note how Casey Hudson left out Garrus and Tali. They are playable.... cameos. Maybe quite extesive cameos, but possibly not even overlapping within the story.

Personally, I hope for Legion to be able to occupy that hypothetical "cameo slot" on the squad for a couple of missions.

I wouldn't say that statement precludes Tali or Garrus from being squadmates.  I do expect that they won't do as much with them though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

thurmanator692 wrote...

A chart and everything? dang

Boolean squadFlag[] = new Boolean[12];

for (int i = 0; i < squadFlag.length; i++) {
if (squadFlag[i].isAlive())
squadFlag[i] = true;
else
squadFlag[i] = false;
}

Not much else there is to it.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 11 mai 2011 - 08:55 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

1. Claim that NO ME2 squaddies will be back.
Claim that all ME2 squaddies will be back. As cameos, playeable cameos (aka temp. squaddies), maybe DLC full-time.

2. Say that "complex variables" are the reason.
Say the wanted Interactivity is the reason, while the variables factor in choosing the perm. squaddies for the more interactive squad.

3. "Complex variables" dismissed
Ah, yess, "dismissals"...

4. Still maintain that variables are too complex.
They are, but this may be overlooked (even in cameos), the way Garrus and Tali's ME1 variables were overlooked during their recruitment missions in ME2. Which was bad and sucked.

5. Being dismissed twice!
Ah, yess, "dismissals"... again.

6. Argue that Bioware will do a horrible job with variables "just like Tali's geth data mission from ME1"
That was before and at the very start, long before the dismissals.

7. VS, Liara, Garrus and multiple others mentioned in GI article, some of them as squadmates.
8. Claim that that doesn't necessarily make them permanent.
9. CH: "All ME2 squaddies will be back, some permanent, some temporary etc"
10.More squadmates are confirmed as permanent.
11. Make thread, linking to step 1.
step 2.

fix'd

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 11 mai 2011 - 09:04 .

[Nashiktal]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Pacifen retired?

Yup, for a while now. No idea why.

I know it was partially because of the craziness in the Dragon age forums.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Thank God for old, locked thread titles.

Zulu, I'd have a lot more respect for you if, instead of saying "am I right again?" You'd make these threads saying "Apparently I was wrong about some things, so here's my modified theory." That would be more intellectually honest and less /facepalm worthy.

[Zulu_DFA]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Thank God for old, locked thread titles.

Zulu, I'd have a lot more respect for you if, instead of saying "am I right again?" You'd make these threads saying "Apparently I was wrong about some things, so here's my modified theory." That would be more intellectually honest and less /facepalm worthy.

I'm still not fully convinced Garrus and Tali will be perma. But that's just me at this point.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Thank God for old, locked thread titles.

Zulu, I'd have a lot more respect for you if, instead of saying "am I right again?" You'd make these threads saying "Apparently I was wrong about some things, so here's my modified theory." That would be more intellectually honest and less /facepalm worthy.

I'm still not fully convinced Garrus and Tali will be perma. But that's just me at this point.

Well, what's your definition of Perm? Would you consider Legion a "permanent" squaddie? I would. I think some of the old squaddies may not be available until late in the game, or may only be available early in the game and then leave. The former still definitely counts as permanent to me, the latter is questionable.

Also, your earlier posts do not state that you believe a lot of the squaddies will return as temporary squadmates, so that seems to be another new addition to your theory - one that creates a huge rift between your original premise and what you are putting forward now. I wouldn't consider Liara in LotSB a "cameo," and neither would I consider a single mission heavily based around a particular character where they are a temp squadmate a "cameo." As much as I love Wrex, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for him to leave Tuchanka... yet I think the possibility of taking him with on a Tuchanka-based mission is sweet, and much better than a "cameo."  We may just have different definitions of cameo, though.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 mai 2011 - 09:13 .

[Bluko]

 Eh until I see a direct quote from someone like Casey Hudson saying a certain characters are indeed full time squadmates it's still up to speculation to an extent.

"Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley and (newly confirmed) Tali are all full time members of your team if they survived the previous games."- PC Gamer

Now this is about the only quote so far that is actually supportative of these characters returning in full capacity. The only issue is this is from the magazine editors, and they to assume things as much as we do. If it were Casey or another Dev who said this it'd be a done deal. But it's not. I'm also curious how they (PC Gamer) know this since at best they saw an early version of the E3 Demo and possibly asked some questions. The magazines have been wrong about a number of things so far (most especially trailer Sniper dude being James Sander). So I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt.

Tali has only been confirmed to be in ME3. Until I hear directly from the words of a Dev that "_ will be returning as a squadmate for  the game" I remain skeptical. It's very likely Casey may have been dancing around the issue to avoid fan blowback in that tweet. If he had "Yes, Tali will be a full time squadmate" I'd shutup. But he hasn't.
If he had simply said "Yes" to Alexthehunted I would accept that too.

Though I will concede if any of the ME2 crew members are going to be full time squadmates it's likely Tali and Garrus. Although given their popularity this has more or less been almost assured, unless Bioware felt really bold.

My only issue is how is squad balance going to work in ME3 then if they are full-time squadmates? There's A) Create another character to take their place Screw those players who let them die. Now B is a pretty bad option. Then you have option A which essentially would require them to create 4 characters, two of which won't be present in some people's games. That's quite a bit of extra VA and such. I wonder if that would indeed mean that we only have 6 squadmates again. I really can't see Bioware creating 8 optional Characters, that's just bonkers. And I also can't believe they would screw some players so that they are stuck with less squadmates.

If all is to be believed about Squadmates so far...
Ashley/Kaidan (Soldier/Sentinel)
James Sanders* (Sentinel/Soldier)
Liara (Adept)
Garrus/Substitute (Infiltrator)
Tali /Substitute (Engineer)

That still leaves us with the need for a Vanguard. Jack is said to be in ME3, would she be the Vanguard then or someone else? (Honestly Jack is the last character I'd expect to be on the ME3 Squad. Although if this is the case she needs a substitute as well.)

*I'm assuming that this is what they're doing with James to keep the squad balance right. Also he's being called James Vega now I guess?

Also just to make a point. Say they aren't creating substitute characters. If you let Kaidan, Garrus, and Tali die you will have no "confirmed" Tech on your squad.  That's really bad, and also it's not impossible those 3 characters to die in someones game. I can't see Bioware leaving some players without any Tech in ME3, just won't work honestly. Which means ME2 returning sqaudmates must have substitutes or the ME3 squad is made up of 7-8 members. Although I think it's most likely the squad will 6 members again since they said ME3 was to have a smaller squad.

Modifié par Bluko, 11 mai 2011 - 09:30 .

[Nashiktal]

Er Bluko. Tali has been confirmed, by Casey himself, to be a squadmate.

[tonnactus]

Well,wouldnt it be somehow "unfair" if Garrus and Tali are fulltime squadmembers in 3 games?

With tali, she is is at least popular enough for that, but garrus?
I would bet that wrex was far more liked then garrus.(and still wasnt part of the squad in the second game)

Modifié par tonnactus, 11 mai 2011 - 11:01 .

[marshalleck]

Phaedon wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Sith_exar_kun wrote...

Infact, we have proof they are full squadmates, have you got proof that they aren't?

that kinda defeats the purpose of debating, doesn't it?

Casey Hudson also defeats the purpose of debating, what's your point?

Chud is a party-pooper.

[Nashiktal]

tonnactus wrote...

Well,wouldnt it somehow "unfair" if Garrus and Tali are fulltime squadmembers in 3 games?

With tali, she is is at least popular enough for that,b ut garrus?
I would bet that wrex was far more liked then garrus.(and still wasnt part of the squad in the second game)

Unfair, no. Lucky is more like it.

Also go to the Garrus fan thread. I DARE YOU.

[AdmiralCheez]

Nashiktal wrote...

Unfair, no. Lucky is more like it.

Also go to the Garrus fan thread. I DARE YOU.

Might do you some good.  Excellent place to build up a tolerance for squeeing.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

tonnactus wrote...

Well,wouldnt it somehow "unfair" if Garrus and Tali are fulltime squadmembers in 3 games?

With tali, she is is at least popular enough for that,b ut garrus?
I would bet that wrex was far more liked then garrus.(and still wasnt part of the squad in the second game)

Bioware released stats a while ago that indicate that Garrus is one of the most popular squadmates. He's the only one mentioned as being exceptionally popular. Also, in the much-less-scientific recent character thread that asked people to name their top 5 characters, Garrus beat everyone - even both clans of VS fans, combined into an epic supergroup voting bloc. It's a forum poll so doesn't necessarily reflect the player base as a whole, but it did recieved over a hundred responses. The ME1 characters were all more popular than the ME2 ones, with Legion and Mordin as the two most popular ME2 characters... they've already been announced as at least appearing... hmmm.)

Sure, Wrex is more popular, but he was a bit of a hiccup, story-wise. Bioware originally didn't intend for him to even appear in ME2, and were shocked by how popular he was. Now they've lore'd him into an awesome situation, but one where it doesn't make a lot of narrative sense for him to return. (Edit: also note that he is dead by default in ME2. Only 50% of people import from ME1, giving Wrex a greater than 50% chance to not be available to an ME3 player, it is unlikely that any ME2 squaddie died in more than 20% of games, and most characters are only dead in 2-5% of save games. Garrus is also one of the characters who cannot be skipped, recruitment-wise.) 

Bear in mind I'm saying this as a Wrex fan. My ranking for character love is Wrex, Mordin, and Garrus - but I never expected Wrex to return, and I've been saying Mordin will likely be back as an NPC/single mission squaddie.

I think there's a decent chance that Legion will have an option to become permanent again. And if he's dead/sold/not activated, replacing him with another, less well-developed Geth is an easy option. Since Geth are Geth, I'd imagine his replacement could just lose a few dialogue trees and a personality quirk or two. And the kind of people who would sell or kill legion aren't the kind of people who should mind if the new guy is boring.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 mai 2011 - 10:07 .

[Bluko]

Nashiktal wrote...

Er Bluko. Tali has been confirmed, by Casey himself, to be a squadmate.

I've seen his tweet.

Not entirely convinced that's what he meant.