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[Warlock Adam]

Seboist wrote...

Garrus was the most irrelevant squadmate in the first one. Recruiting him was optional and he only had a minor battle and sidequest going for him as far as plot relevance goes.

He was also a character who you potentially brought everywhere, became Shepard's protege after Dr. Saleon, had a grudge against Saren (for not being able to catch him and dishonoring his species) and generally remained loyal to you the entire game, unlike the other squadmates. Wrex nearly betrays you, Tali will want to leave if you refuse to turn over the genophage data, Ashley/Kaidan/Liara all argue with you if you happen to be romancing two at once. Garrus is just there for you.

So being your bro4life in the second game is a natural (and for me, welcome) progression for him during the second game. He became your bud in the first game but manifests it in the second game. Bioware probably intended him to provide empathy and knowledge of the turians. They didn't think he would be so wildly popular. 

Characters evolve with the series, man.

[Reapinger]

Warlock Adam wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Garrus was the most irrelevant squadmate in the first one. Recruiting him was optional and he only had a minor battle and sidequest going for him as far as plot relevance goes.

Garrus is just there for you.

So being your bro4life in the second game is a natural (and for me, welcome) progression for him during the second game. He became your bud in the first game but manifests it in the second game. Bioware probably intended him to provide empathy and knowledge of the turians. They didn't think he would be so wildly popular. 

Characters evolve with the series, man.

WORD!!

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

I guess Miranda and Jacob will be on enemy squads as cerberus hunts you down.

Doubtful. Especially if Shepard got their loyalty. If you destroy the CB they both say something akin to "Cerberus can go to hell. I'm with you, bro"

[Fiery Phoenix]

Seboist wrote...

Garrus was the most irrelevant squadmate in the first one. Recruiting him was optional and he only had a minor battle and sidequest going for him as far as plot relevance goes.

Technically, either one of Garrus and Wrex was optional. That is, you had to recruit at least one of them for the game to progress; you didn't have to recruit them both.

[Vertigo_1]

Might I add this?
"The confirmed ME3 squad so far according to the article:

ASHLEY WILLIAMS
KAIDAN ALENKO
LIARA T'SONI
GARRUS VAKARIAN
JAMES SANDERS (now James Vega)"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 mai 2011 - 03:15 .

[AdmiralCheez]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

And if you argued with Tali about the geth she actually stood her ground instead of backing down to Shep.

I distinctly remember her screaming at me in ME2 and just barely agreeing not to blow Legion's head off (and that was for the sake of the mission)...

And a lot of convos with Garrus involved giving him viewpoints he had never considered before, not parenting him like you did in the second game.

Parenting?

Gotta say, though, if there's one thing I want to see in ME3, it's a role-reversal: I want to see them have this glorious blaze of independence, and I want to see Shepard need them.

[AdmiralCheez]

*cough*

[Fiery Phoenix]

LOL! Nice one, Casey!

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Haha, great.

And yes, Cheez, it is sad that a lot of the posters have decided not to face me on the field of honor anymore. It does rather free up my schedule, though. I've gotten a lot of spring cleaning done.

[Thompson family]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Might I add this?
"The confirmed ME3 squad so far according to the article:

ASHLEY WILLIAMS
KAIDAN ALENKO
LIARA T'SONI
GARRUS VAKARIAN
JAMES SANDERS (now James Vega)"

I'm pretty sure Tali's confirmed, also.

[AdmiralCheez]

@CGG: Find something we disagree on. I'll gladly kick your ass

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 12 mai 2011 - 03:37 .

[Leonia]

AdmiralCheez wrote...



*cough*

Dude you stole my question!

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@CGG: Find something we disagree on. I'll gladly kick your ass

You already changed my mind about Jacob, I'm not letting you back in my head!

[AdmiralCheez]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

You already changed my mind about Jacob, I'm not letting you back in my head!

Bwahahaha.

Wait, how the hell did I do that?

[Vertigo_1]

Thompson family wrote...
I'm pretty sure Tali's confirmed, also.

...Yes I know...the post was meant for Garrus since its also in the Xbox World article that Zulu originally quoted from

[Seboist]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@CGG: Find something we disagree on. I'll gladly kick your ass

You already changed my mind about Jacob, I'm not letting you back in my head!

Did the priiize win you over?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

You already changed my mind about Jacob, I'm not letting you back in my head!

Bwahahaha.

Wait, how the hell did I do that?

[lovgreno]

I didn't like Jacob much the first time I met him but he does grow on you.
No doubt he is even brave enough to sneak past those seemingly undefeatable variables. It's a heavy risk, but the priiize is Jacob in ME3 and I for one would welcome him back.

Edit: Infinite Jacob is back!

Modifié par lovgreno, 12 mai 2011 - 04:13 .

[Nimrodell]

Shhh for a bit, you scared Zulu away! 2 pages without his post poking others. So, variables anyone?

[Zulu_DFA]

I wish to clarify on the title of my old thread linked in the OP, since apparently not all people get it right.

"The only and enough reason NO ME2 SQUAD will be recruitable by default in ME3"

By "default" I meant that they wouldn't be accessible to players who start a new fresh Shepard character in ME3. The same way Wrex's cameo was inaccessible in fresh ME2 Shepards' playthroughs.

Now, that'd been before the PS3 comic was even announced, so kudos to BioWare that they made that content available at least to the PS3 newbies... However, it is my understanding that the comic can be skipped (not DL'd) and then it's a no-Wrex-no-Rachni-no-Council-no-nothing game.

I expect the same to be true to the ME3 default start. It will either assume that ALL ME2 squadmates have been killed in the suicide mision (like in my gibbed save that I'll have to import in ME3 and collect my 2 million internet cookies, when the game does not crash and is winnable), or that just two of them survived (those two being either Miranda&Jacob or Miranda&Mordin - credit to Sir Ulrich von Lichenstein here) who won't be recruitable in ME3 at that.

This way all the optional content (which at this point includes all ME2 squadmates) will be considered reward for the veteran players, while the newbies will be encouraged to go back to ME2, or at least download the intro comic (which you can bet my arse will come only with the fresh copy of the game).

That's why, my dear Garlock, I am not proven wrong. It's elementary.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nimrodell wrote...

Shhh for a bit, you scared Zulu away!

Lol.
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Nimrodell wrote...

2 pages without his post poking others.

You wanted proof? Here it is!
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Nimrodell wrote...

So, variables anyone?

Yes, Variables!
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[-Skorpious-]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

By "default" I meant that they wouldn't be accessible to players who start a new fresh Shepard character in ME3. The same way Wrex's cameo was inaccessible in fresh ME2 Shepards' playthroughs.

Now, that'd been before the PS3 comic was even announced, so kudos to BioWare that they made that content available at least to the PS3 newbies... However, it is my understanding that the comic can be skipped (not DL'd) and then it's a no-Wrex-no-Rachni-no-Council-no-nothing game.


This way all the optional content (which at this point includes all ME2 squadmates) will be considered reward for the veteran players, while the newbies will be encouraged to go back to ME2, or at least download the intro comic (which you can bet my arse will come only with the fresh copy of the game.

I'm pretty sure Casey mentioned that new ME3 users will be treated to an in-game comic to determine the choices of ME/ME2. 

EDIT - Yeah, page 74 of the XboxWorld 360 magazine reveals that both the PS3 comic and a "really fancy savegame generator" will allow new fans to make the major ME/ME2 decisions. I assume this also means new fans will be given the chance to determine how successful the suicide mission was (no fatalities, some, major, ect). 

PS - normally I would provide a link, but it is against site rules to link scans. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 12 mai 2011 - 05:05 .

[Zulu_DFA]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

By "default" I meant that they wouldn't be accessible to players who start a new fresh Shepard character in ME3. The same way Wrex's cameo was inaccessible in fresh ME2 Shepards' playthroughs.

Now, that'd been before the PS3 comic was even announced, so kudos to BioWare that they made that content available at least to the PS3 newbies... However, it is my understanding that the comic can be skipped (not DL'd) and then it's a no-Wrex-no-Rachni-no-Council-no-nothing game.


This way all the optional content (which at this point includes all ME2 squadmates) will be considered reward for the veteran players, while the newbies will be encouraged to go back to ME2, or at least download the intro comic (which you can bet my arse will come only with the fresh copy of the game.

I'm pretty sure Casey mentioned that new ME3 users will be treated to an in-game comic to determine the choices of ME/ME2. 

Edit - Yeah, page 74 of the XboxWorld 360 magazine reveals that both the PS3 comic and a "really fancy savegame generator" will allow new fans to make the major ME/ME2 decisions. I assume this means new fans will be given the chance to determine the course of the suicide mission. 

PS - normally I would provide a link, but that it agaisnt site rules since they are scans. 

Which, I repeat, will mean that they are not recruitable by default. You'll have to download a comic for that.
Which will mean that the game is still winnable without them.
Which will mean that they don't have nearly as many lines as the permas such as Liara, VS, and any of the newfaces.
Which will mean that they are a total waste of bytes for everybody except their particular fan-bases.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 mai 2011 - 05:14 .