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[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

Most of the Orbital Bombardments seem to have occurred from other Space Faring Species waging war rather than the Reapers, in my opinion. The reason I believe this is because from the current information we know about the Reapers they are not the Wipe everyone out kind of guys. They like to periodically and methodically harvest life and resources over centuries. Orbital Bombardment does not fit that MO.
This is purely speculative though.

[Haristo]

Commander Shep4rd wrote...

Possibly:

pure genius.

[Obro]

Ofc they are. As we all know dinosaurs were sentient spacefaring race that ruled segmentum solar before the reapers came.

[Drachasor]

Oldest certain evidence of Reapers is, I think, 37 million years old. It's possible they weren't around when the Dinosaurs were. After all, the weapon used in that encounter is more powerful than anything the current races are capable of. Perhaps 37 million years ago was the war between the Reapers and their creators.

[Fredvdp]

JeffZero wrote...

There's actually an episode of Star Trek: Voyager in which the crew happens upon the space-worthy descendants of a species of hadrosaurs from the Cretaceous period. While the mystery elements leading up to this revelation are surprisingly decently-written, the payoff itself is so goofy it makes my eyes roll just thinking back to it.

So far I've only seen Star Trek movies but I definitely need to see that episode.

[Dave666]

Drachasor wrote...

Oldest certain evidence of Reapers is, I think, 37 million years old. It's possible they weren't around when the Dinosaurs were. After all, the weapon used in that encounter is more powerful than anything the current races are capable of. Perhaps 37 million years ago was the war between the Reapers and their creators.

You were right that one reaper (the Derelict Reaper) was dated as being 37 Million years old.  The Klendagon weapon however is in no way beyond the capabilities of the current races.  Its basically just a huge mass accelerator weapon and guess what?  We have those already, they're called Dreadnaughts.  Scale one of those weapons up a few times and stick it on a planet and you'd have the same thing.

[CroGamer002]

Dave666 wrote...

Drachasor wrote...

Oldest certain evidence of Reapers is, I think, 37 million years old. It's possible they weren't around when the Dinosaurs were. After all, the weapon used in that encounter is more powerful than anything the current races are capable of. Perhaps 37 million years ago was the war between the Reapers and their creators.

You were right that one reaper (the Derelict Reaper) was dated as being 37 Million years old.  The Klendagon weapon however is in no way beyond the capabilities of the current races.  Its basically just a huge mass accelerator weapon and guess what?  We have those already, they're called Dreadnaughts.  Scale one of those weapons up a few times and stick it on a planet and you'd have the same thing.

And that weapon was pretty much "f*ck you" to Reapers for those species.

[Stoko981]

Just to touch on the idea of orbital bombardments not being the Reapers' style... We know they "reap" the civilisation of the day, enslaving and killing them until they've done whatever dastardly thing it is they get up to. Then, they meticulously doctor the planets that civilisation occupied to leave a suitibly vague set of information for the next race(s) to find.

They leave many things, buildings, DNA samples, working examples of technology... But they leave virtually nothing of the species before that. It took Liara 50 years to piece together the conclusion that there had been many civilisations before the Protheans, that there was a cycle of extinction, and even then, it was mostly intuition.

I think the planets that look like they've been bombarded from orbit were the worlds the "race before last" inhabited. Or the race before that, or before that, etc. I mean, think about it, the Protheans were just like us. They found the remnants of the species before them, whoever it was. The Zeioph maybe. So the Reapers come in, get their Reap on, and leave the Prothean Empire in strategically organised ruins. But then obviously, scattered around and throughout that Empire, were the ruins and the technology and the records of the Zeioph or whoever it was that came before the Protheans.Those, I imagine, they would have had to have obliterated completely. Or we'd have found them. Just like Prothean ruins and technology are inextricably scattered throughout modern day galactic life - I imagine if the Reapers won, they'd wipe those out too as they prepped the galaxy at large to be found by the next species.

So, did the Reapers Reap the dinosaurs? Possibly. They'd have left the Dinosaur Empire in ruins, with dinosaur technology scattered about for the next ones to find, then after that race was also Reaped, they'd bombard all the worlds the dinosaurs had occupied from orbit. Archeologists theorise a meteor strike wiped out the dinosaurs - maybe the "meteor" was 50,000 or so years later? That's a flash in the cosmic pan, really.

As for dinosaurs having tiny brains - who knows? Perhaps they had a brain structure very different to ours, with densely packed neurons or some such that afforded them intelligence comparable with our own despite the smaller interior of their skulls. As for krogans not being able to have evolved from Earth creatures because "evolution doesn't create new things" and "there's nothing like a krogan's organ redundancy on Earth" - there was nothing like arms, legs, fingers and toes on Earth back when all we had were single-celled organisms. We still evolved those just fine.

Finally, and I realise this is a long post, but finally - I LOVE that cartoon of the dinosaurs about to be Reaped. Kudos to whoever made it.

[ROBERTJMYERS2]

Kings19 wrote...

The dinosaurs weren't wiped out by the Reapers, they are the Reapers. That will be the big twist in ME3.

aah yes dinosaurs the immortal race of lizard/sentient starships waiting in darkspace,we have dismissed those claimssorry i could not help myself.

[ROBERTJMYERS2]

Kings19 wrote...

The dinosaurs weren't wiped out by the Reapers, they are the Reapers. That will be the big twist in ME3.

aah yes dinosaurs the immortal race of lizard/sentient starships waiting in darkspace,we have dismissed those claimssorry i could not help myself.i didnt mean to double post sorry.

Modifié par ROBERTJMYERS2, 15 mai 2011 - 01:38 .

[Drachasor]

Dave666 wrote...

Drachasor wrote...

Oldest certain evidence of Reapers is, I think, 37 million years old. It's possible they weren't around when the Dinosaurs were. After all, the weapon used in that encounter is more powerful than anything the current races are capable of. Perhaps 37 million years ago was the war between the Reapers and their creators.

You were right that one reaper (the Derelict Reaper) was dated as being 37 Million years old.  The Klendagon weapon however is in no way beyond the capabilities of the current races.  Its basically just a huge mass accelerator weapon and guess what?  We have those already, they're called Dreadnaughts.  Scale one of those weapons up a few times and stick it on a planet and you'd have the same thing.

Except, best we can tell it wasn't fired from a planet.  Point being the blast came from a ship of a size and power none of the races are capable of making -- this is part of the in-game description for the crater it left.  The basic principles might be understood, but that's a far cry from being able to make something like that.

I'm not saying this is definitive, merely that it is a possibility.

[Banzboy]

There was prothean ruins on mars so the reaper actually visited the sol system before.

[hc00]

Stoko981 wrote...

As for krogans not being able to have evolved from Earth creatures because "evolution doesn't create new things" and "there's nothing like a krogan's organ redundancy on Earth" - there was nothing like arms, legs, fingers and toes on Earth back when all we had were single-celled organisms. We still evolved those just fine.

I could give you a rough timescale as to how we went from single celled to multicellular limbed creatures if you would like.

Though the combination of my insomnia and to be frank, only average level of understanding regarding the topic would render it largely fruitless and unreadable.

I advise you to look it up yourself, it is quite interesting, or at least what you will understand of it is (and I dont mean that you specifically will only understand it partially, I mean that it is nigh impossible to have a full grasp of it).

[kill_switch_423]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

There's actually an episode of Star Trek: Voyager in which the crew happens upon the space-worthy descendants of a species of hadrosaurs from the Cretaceous period. While the mystery elements leading up to this revelation are surprisingly decently-written, the payoff itself is so goofy it makes my eyes roll just thinking back to it.

If memory serves, almost everything about Voyager was goofy enough to make eyes roll.

Janeway disapproves.

/ST:V fanboyism

OT:  Krogans r dinosawrzzzzzz.

More serious OT:  No, but there is evidence that the Protheans may have tampered with humanity wayyy back then.  If memory serves correctly, at least.

[The Man on the Moon]

So we know that the Protheans were observing the Human species, but do not know how extensively or for what amount of time. We also now that the Protheans fought back against the reapers in various ways as well as developing a way in which the cycle could be broken for species after theirs. Thus, is it possible that the Protheans developed some genetic alteration or something along those lines that would some how help us stop the reapers.Just a little crazy idea I had.

But more on topic I honestly dont think the reapers spend their time destroying "non-intelligent" non-sentient forms of life.

[Bearcut]

Banzboy wrote...

There was prothean ruins on mars so the reaper actually visited the sol system before.

Good point.

Even though Protheans aren't Reapers... the fact that there was a Mass relay at Charon (or Charon is a Mass Relay rather) would be evidence to show that reapers have been in the Sol system before.

[Bluefuse]

There is no answer to this question because it isn't written.

[Bearcut]

The Reapers didn't kill the Dinosaurs.

The Berserkers did.

Berserker - Fred Saberhagen
http://www.amazon.co...05435491&sr=8-3
Product Description
Gigantic intelligent machines are set loose to destroy all life, with only one branch of humanity, descended from a world called Earth, to stand in their way.

If you like Mass Effect, you owe it to yourself to read Berserker.

Modifié par Bearcut, 15 mai 2011 - 05:00 .

[tausra]

Well l you see the Reapers took advantage of a civil war between the T-rexes and the Triceratops. After the 'tops had been killed, the Reapers turned on their former allies. The last T-rex transmission was "Curse your sudden but inevitable Betrayal."

[bigbade]

[hc00]

bigbade wrote...

That is my new wallpaper

[DeadLetterBox]

If we assume the dinosaurs were not actually an advanced spacefaring species with a capitol city hidden under the Antarctic ice, then I don't think the Reapers were responsible. If they kill off non-sentient species on planets without sentient ones, they most likely won't have anything to reap in 50,000 years.

I've got no problem with the meteor that killed the dinosaurs coming from a bit of another civilization's planet that got cracked, though. Indirect responsibility is fine.

[Drachasor]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

If we assume the dinosaurs were not actually an advanced spacefaring species with a capitol city hidden under the Antarctic ice, then I don't think the Reapers were responsible. If they kill off non-sentient species on planets without sentient ones, they most likely won't have anything to reap in 50,000 years.

Well, it is actually an interesting question...how much do you expect would survive 65 million years or more?  I think if the human race died out tomorrow, then finding any trace of our civilization in 65 million years would be extremely difficult.  Satellites would fall out of orbit, cities would become dust, etc, etc.  65 million years is a LONG time.  Heck, even 10,000 years would be enough to wipe out most obvious signs of our technology...and we're talking about more than a thousand spans of 10,000 years.

Just not sure there'd be much left.  Even the fossils we find of Dinosaurs are rare exceptions...the vast, vast majority of dino bones didn't get preserved.

Modifié par Drachasor, 15 mai 2011 - 12:45 .

[Nelatherion]

annihilator27 wrote...



Last known image of Dinosaurs defying the Reapers.Perhaps they were advance and the Reapers experimented with them resulting in failed "Collectors"

That is amazing. There has got to be a larger version of it somewhere

[Black Raptor]

hc00 wrote...

bigbade wrote...

That is my new wallpaper