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[ExtremeOne]

Spartanburger wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

That's cute, but Cerberus saved humanity in 2. 

No. Shepard and his team Saved humanity.
Oh! But Shepard was brought back to life by Cerberus. Shepard couldn't have done it without him!
Shepard only died because of the Collectors. If it wasn't for them it's arguable that the Collectors would have been eliminated much earlier.
But... Cerberus help design the Normandy! And the SR2 > than the SR1!
Yeah. The SR2 was a nice touch. And yeah, Cerberus pushed the Alliance to co-develope the first Normandy with the Turians. If it wasn't for 'dem aliens' and 'dat alliance' we wouldn't have the Normandy as we know it. And with two years it is probable that the SR1 could have been upgraded farther than the SR2 has been upgraded now. Sure it won't be as large, but size isn't everything. That's why we have a frigate and not a cruiser.
Plus if you really want to pull that card, that just means that Cerberus were the ones who helped convince the Alliance to prototype Shepards part-time ship before copying the designs and building a bigger one, and promtly having that ship lost to the Alliance. They were in no way the ones who put the nails in the Collectors/Reapers coffin.
Okay... but did all those scientific experiments to advance technology to a point where we can hope to face the Reapers!
Yeah. Those certainly turned out well. No further dicussion on that topic needed!
Cerberus gave you intel and funding as well as a direction to start from!
Intel could be gotten from the Council, the Alliance and/or the Shadow Broker. The Council and Alliance are capable enough to have large intelligence networks. Hell, they are better funded, they probably are better than Cerberus at that if they put their minds to it. The only problem with those two is the fact that they have to support so many people (Alliance is in the billions, Council is probably around the trillions. There are a LOT of people in the galaxy) so that they cannot divert 90% of funds towards one team. That said, if they did, the war would have been won already.
No the Shadow Borker poses a problem. Without Cerberus, you couldn't replace him with Liara. Fact. Yes, Cerberus did good. But notice how the only times Cerberus accomplishes something is when Cerberus just gives the Intel to someone else for them to do it. Anyway, now that I have the Shadow Broker, there is no reason to have Cerberus anymore. But seeing as Liara is a squadmember in ME3, then I'll bet the SB network gets taken down or severely damaged.
As for funding... I had 9,999,999 credits in an account that earned interest at the end of ME1. What happened to all that? Okay, okay it was probably given away in Shepard's will, but all he has to do is go back to the Alliance and he'll have funding. Plus, that mining company Shepard runs in his spare time must be pulling in millions from contracts to mining locations alone.
Cerberus does give Shepard some rather nice directioning though. Trap of a friend, trap for shepard, inside a Reaper that can still indoctrenate people, suicide mission, ect ect. That said, Shepard did come out of those alive.

inb4: Your next post porves that you didn't read a word of this

    



well we will disagree on that Shepard rather anyone likes or not was working with Cerberus in 2 so yeah they did save humanity together .  Cerberus is not evil and they sure as hell do not desserve to be rail roaded intio being bad guys in 3 . 

[ExtremeOne]

michaelrsa wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
You started it and did you really think as a American I am going to let some one say sh*t about my country with out saying anything . 

I said that Obama should have made a mandiate that every American have thresher maw acid injected into them. I was talking about Obama. So are you implying that Obama is America?

With more people like you supporting Obama and his views we'll be assured of another 4 years. I'm glad to have you on my side.

It's good to know that even as an African born immigrant to this country there are still people out there I can turn to for support. Thank you for making me feel welcome and allowing me to take your jobs.

   



He is our President and yes I support him .  Of course I plan on voting for him next year .  I suggest you read up on American politics.  

[Dean_the_Young]

Spartanburger wrote...

inb4: Your next post proves that you didn't read a word of this

I like this caveat. It both demonstrates foresight while simaltaneously invalidating any disagreement that might follow. If it was anyone but ExtremeOne, that might be considered lazy arguing.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 12 mai 2011 - 11:37 .

[Dean_the_Young]

mrsph wrote...

Cerberus isn't evil. They torture children,

If a rogue cell applies to the whole agency in a composition-contmination, then we really can't stop there. Pragia, rogue, implicates Cerberus. Cerberus is a part of the Alliance. The Alliance is a part of the Council. Tada.

poison other races,

Poison really is one of those things that does matter by context. The Genophage, for example, is undoubtably the greatest warcrime still present in the galaxy... but, at the same point, has a very strong ethical component. Certainly using the anti-biotic drug on the Biotic Supremacist Matriarch hits well into the grey category. Poisoning the pope via radiation is a lot less, but then not alien either, or anywhere close to the genophage either.

experiment on sentient beings,

Not to be blunt about it... but most the Council races do, on various levels. Torturous experiments are immoral because of the pain and harm inflicted, not because of sentience.

The Rachni experiements actually aren't a good example in this case, since Rachni drone intelligence wasn't known beforehand.

turn colonies into husks...and I should stop.

Since there's really no evidence that they instigated Colony of the Dead, you might at least choose some clearer examples.

[Reapinger]

What did I say back on page 1? Here comes ExtremeOne being dumb again. One action does not vindicate an organization of all it's wrongs. There is to be corruption in every organization, that much is to be expected and honestly Cerberus had corruption too. In case you didn't notice, Shepard was almost killed by a cerberus operative at the beginning of the game. Honestly, the Alliance was there at the citadel, not Cerberus. This can go back and forth all day and in the end Cerberus will still come out on bottom. And for all you Cerberus lovers, good luck getting through the game without killing your own operatives!! ;D

[Dean_the_Young]

Joker was a Cerberus operative?

[Spartanburger]

 

ExtremeOne wrote...
Well we will disagree on that. Shepard, whether anyone likes or not, was working with Cerberus in 2. So yeah. They saved humanity together.  Cerberus is not evil and they sure as hell do not desserve to be rail roaded into being bad guys in 3. [yay coherent sentance!]

Yeah. Shepard was kind of force to work with Cerberus, but I feel as if there as some role-playing to it. Paragons could chose to disagree with TIM, and to only use their intel and resources without following their ideals at all. Renegades could pretty much adopt the Cerberus manifesto. And yes, although I believe Shepard did the most work, Cerberus does deserve some credit for the destruction of the Collectors. But then again, so does the Alliance for training him/her, the Council for giving him the Spectre status to go after Saren, Tali for the evidence that proved Saren to be a traitor, and a multitude of other minor things that contributed.

Weather or not cerberus is evil is all based on perspective. There has never been a villin in our history as Humanity that has said "I'm doin evil stuff!" They all thought that they were doing what was best for them, for their country, and/or for the world. As someone who does not believe in the Cerberus ideals, I see Cerberus actions as barabric and evil. Someone who did would think differently. No one person can be correct without some sort of standard of 'what is evil and what is not' to compare the actions to. No such standard exists, we only have our own concious. In fact, for all we know, we could be doing evil things everywhere, all the time, and not know it because we have not know any better. Jeez, I'm putting myself in a 'the matrix has you' vibe right now...

Yeah, I was hoping that Cerberus would be those who still worked to defeat the Reapers, and you could chose to morally side with them or not, (my Paragon would not, I'll take a guess and say that you would), but seeing as they are an enemy of Sheaprd, I think that TIM's gone bonkers.

Instead of fighting the snake, cut off it's head. Hell, cut off the head and replace it with one that IS NOT an enemy, but an ally. Even better if the new head has some of the same ideals as the first one, just without the bat****insane part.
My Renegade shep would do this in a heartbeat. She wants Cerberus as her employer. What Reneshep wants, reneshep gets!

[Nathan Redgrave]

ExtremeOne wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
You started it and did you really think as a American I am going to let some one say sh*t about my country with out saying anything . 

I said that Obama should have made a mandiate that every American have thresher maw acid injected into them. I was talking about Obama. So are you implying that Obama is America?

With more people like you supporting Obama and his views we'll be assured of another 4 years. I'm glad to have you on my side.

It's good to know that even as an African born immigrant to this country there are still people out there I can turn to for support. Thank you for making me feel welcome and allowing me to take your jobs.

   

He is our President and yes I support him .  Of course I plan on voting for him next year .  I suggest you read up on American politics.  

This is kind of a taboo topic on these forums, yes? Regardless, the nature of democracy allows for discontent with one's present elected officials, if not outright defiance. Talking smack about Obama is not talking smack about America, it's simply talking smack about Obama. Usually this is in the spirit of "Obama is not good for America." A brand of patriotism in and of itself, arguably, but opinions are like bumholes... everyone's got one.

But again, let's not hijack a videogame thread to argue socio-political crap, yes?

[Seboist]

If TIM has lost his marbles then my femshep will just have to dispose of him and become The Illusive Woman.

[Yakko77]

Seboist wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Cerberus is a good organization that does charity work.

Thanks to that tax write off for Teltin Facility. It was real nice of them giving all those homeless biotic children a home like that.

Cerberus is insuring the long term security of humanity with it's biotic program. You should be grateful.

Yes, because the only way for humanity to advance in biotics is with death camps.

<_<

[Reapinger]

I'm voting for Harbinger/Nazara 2012 but that's just me. ;D

[lovgreno]

michaelrsa wrote...

mrsph wrote...
Where is TIM's birth certificate.

I'm not entirely convinced he wasn't born on Palaven and is secretly a turian extremist bent on taking down humanity.

This could be a rather good story actualy... Cerberus are only realy good at one thing: Mess things up for humanity with their agenda and methods of self defeat.

[Seboist]

Yakko77 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Cerberus is a good organization that does charity work.

Thanks to that tax write off for Teltin Facility. It was real nice of them giving all those homeless biotic children a home like that.

Cerberus is insuring the long term security of humanity with it's biotic program. You should be grateful.

Yes, because the only way for humanity to advance in biotics is with death camps.

<_<

Cerberus didn't run "death camps" that's just slanderous bull**** and people need to be trained in biotics since childhood in order to use it effectively.

Modifié par Seboist, 13 mai 2011 - 12:00 .

[Reapinger]

Seboist: You mad bro???

LOL seriously, we will see what happens come ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

Which in no way justifies Teltin, which is what Tela Vasir was referring to. A bit inaccurately, mind you, but then she isn't an informed figure like Shepard is.

[Seboist]

Reapinger wrote...

Seboist: You mad bro???

LOL seriously, we will see what happens come ME3.

When someone insults Cerberus I take it personally.

[didymos1120]

Reapinger wrote...

In case you didn't notice, Shepard was almost killed by a cerberus operative at the beginning of the game.

Wilson was actually a Shadow Broker operative.

[Reapinger]

Seboist wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Seboist: You mad bro???

LOL seriously, we will see what happens come ME3.

When someone insults Cerberus I take it personally.

Bud, I promise you it's something the devs will address all the Cerberus issues.

[Reapinger]

Seboist wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Seboist: You mad bro???

LOL seriously, we will see what happens come ME3.

When someone insults Cerberus I take it personally.

Sorry, bad internet.

Modifié par Reapinger, 13 mai 2011 - 12:10 .