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[Dave666]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

I'd like to see those posts then since when it comes to people taking fictional factions with way too much intensity, I can easily think of two in particular who make the other Cerberus fans look bad.

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave666 wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

I'd like to see those posts then since when it comes to people taking fictional factions with way too much intensity, I can easily think of two in particular who make the other Cerberus fans look bad.

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

I agree, both in this direction and the opposite direction as well (some vehement Cerberus attackers).

[Aumata]

michaelrsa wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
If it was not for My country the USA half the sh*t that goes on in the world would still be happening if the world didn't come crying to us here in the USA for help .  We are the ones get sh*T done in the world . The pathetic cowards at the UN lknows that . 

You're right, they US does get **** done. Hell, without Reagan giving weapons to the Taliban during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan they would still be small beans.

If it hadn't been for Reagan we might not even be having this bloody and unwinnable war in Afghanistan right now.

Thanks Reagan!

Actually it is more of politics than anything else, combine with cold war policies that been biting us in the ass.  Osama hated us, because we were allied with the Saudi's.  Osama and the Royal family was in more of a power struggle. One was a hero the other the leader.(Simplifying what happen of course)  But basically we both got tired of himi and spent 20 years trying to kill this mofo.  We succeeded, but it's origin is basically politics between him and the royal family, not so much as us.  But hey, lile any tool, we tend to get rid of them if they are ****ing up with our goals, or making us look bad.
But yeah Cerberus was more than likely a black op group giving liberties to do what ever as long as they gotten results.  I think some evidence proves that they still have ties to the Alliance.

[Dave666]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

I'd like to see those posts then since when it comes to people taking fictional factions with way too much intensity, I can easily think of two in particular who make the other Cerberus fans look bad.

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

I agree, both in this direction and the opposite direction as well (some vehement Cerberus attackers).

Agreed Dean, I'll admit that we've had a few discussions where I've said that I don't like Cerberus at all, but we've always remained civil with each other and I've even conceded points to you in some of your arguments, as I'm sure you'll agree.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave666 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

I'd like to see those posts then since when it comes to people taking fictional factions with way too much intensity, I can easily think of two in particular who make the other Cerberus fans look bad.

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

I agree, both in this direction and the opposite direction as well (some vehement Cerberus attackers).

Agreed Dean, I'll admit that we've had a few discussions where I've said that I don't like Cerberus at all, but we've always remained civil with each other and I've even conceded points to you in some of your arguments, as I'm sure you'll agree.

No.

(That is a joke.)

[Nathan Redgrave]

Aumata wrote...
I think some evidence proves that they still have ties to the Alliance.

Probably not so much now that Anderson and Sanders have had their fun. 

[Seboist]

Dave666 wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

I'd like to see those posts then since when it comes to people taking fictional factions with way too much intensity, I can easily think of two in particular who make the other Cerberus fans look bad.

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

Don't worry bro, if you come to my house I'll make sure your hook up to the VI machine goes nice and smooth.

[Dave666]

Aumata wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
If it was not for My country the USA half the sh*t that goes on in the world would still be happening if the world didn't come crying to us here in the USA for help .  We are the ones get sh*T done in the world . The pathetic cowards at the UN lknows that . 

You're right, they US does get **** done. Hell, without Reagan giving weapons to the Taliban during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan they would still be small beans.

If it hadn't been for Reagan we might not even be having this bloody and unwinnable war in Afghanistan right now.

Thanks Reagan!

Actually it is more of politics than anything else, combine with cold war policies that been biting us in the ass.  Osama hated us, because we were allied with the Saudi's.  Osama and the Royal family was in more of a power struggle. One was a hero the other the leader.(Simplifying what happen of course)  But basically we both got tired of himi and spent 20 years trying to kill this mofo.  We succeeded, but it's origin is basically politics between him and the royal family, not so much as us.  But hey, lile any tool, we tend to get rid of them if they are ****ing up with our goals, or making us look bad.
But yeah Cerberus was more than likely a black op group giving liberties to do what ever as long as they gotten results.  I think some evidence proves that they still have ties to the Alliance.

I'm a bit torn on the whole Cerberus is still part of the Alliance debate.  On the one hand Cerberus do send info and research to Alliance run organizations (admittedly when it suits them, but at least they're giving something).

On the other hand, Cerberus (according to Kahoku in ME:1, I haven't read the books or comics) was part of the Alliance before going 'rogue', it seems to me that if you have a secret ops type of organization and they do something to draw attention to themselves then the Alliance could have simply said 'they went rogue' and then had a show 'hunt Cerberus down' while moving Cerberus personelle to a new secret ops organization.  They could then claim that Cerberus has been dealt with and still have their Secret ops organization.

This to me seems much more useful than a 'rogue' element that acts in public like Cerberus.  The damage has been done, Cerberus is despised by many within the ME Universe so why keep it running if its part of the Alliance?  The only thing I can think of is that they could act as a 'scapegoat', they can do the nasty stuff and the Alliance could claim that they were 'rogue', but even this doesn't make much sense to me.  You could achieve the same, if not better results from a completely secret organization that nobody knows about.

[M-Sinistrari]

Dave666 wrote...

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

For me, I've been around fandoms in general since before I was school age.  My mom used to be president of the Christopher Lee International Club, and so over the course of years I've seen the full gamut of how fans can be from the normal to the 'you need therapy' crowd.  Really, if the forums weren't family friendly, I could tell stories that'd freak anyone out, and that's just the stuff from before the internet went public.

With the advent of the internet, the more intense of the fanbases is more readily visible and as much as one wants to write it all off as 'angry person venting' or 'posting to see the reactions', I've seen too much that I do wonder about that person sitting at the other keyboard.  Add to that having enough psych classes under the belt, and you really start wondering.

From the assorted Cerberus threads, I've seen some defending of real life atrocities that have been mentioned for correlation and yes, it has truely thrown me for a loop that someone would actually say on a publically accessed medium that such things were justified or reasonable.  I hope that it's just said for a shock reaction, or lack of education, but then there's that little wondering of what if it isn't.  And that I find truly horrifying.

[Moiaussi]

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

So you are generalizing all those criticizing Cerberus based on 'one guy?'

[Seboist]

Moiaussi wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

So you are generalizing all those criticizing Cerberus based on 'one guy?'

It's not just one guy.

[Captain_Obvious]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

From the assorted Cerberus threads, I've seen some defending of real life atrocities that have been mentioned for correlation and yes, it has truely thrown me for a loop that someone would actually say on a publically accessed medium that such things were justified or reasonable.  I hope that it's just said for a shock reaction, or lack of education, but then there's that little wondering of what if it isn't.  And that I find truly horrifying.

I can't really speak to the defending of real-life atrocities (I don't think I've seen those discussions), but I think that you can add one option that I've seen with people who become extremely immersed in an RPG, which is consistency in role-playing.  Several friends of mine take this very seriously, and if a character they have created has no qualms about atrocity, then they defend that in the mindset of the character.  I think it would be similar to what writers experience while creating villains; the behaviour of the character needs to be consistent to be believable.  If they are defending atrocity while "out of character" so to speak, then I think I would agree with you that it would be horrifying. 

[M-Sinistrari]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

I can't really speak to the defending of real-life atrocities (I don't think I've seen those discussions), but I think that you can add one option that I've seen with people who become extremely immersed in an RPG, which is consistency in role-playing.  Several friends of mine take this very seriously, and if a character they have created has no qualms about atrocity, then they defend that in the mindset of the character.  I think it would be similar to what writers experience while creating villains; the behaviour of the character needs to be consistent to be believable.  If they are defending atrocity while "out of character" so to speak, then I think I would agree with you that it would be horrifying. 

I do understand the tangent of being in character defending a particular decision.  I find it's a rather good way to explore motivations in a deeper fashion.  And I more than understand really being immersed in a character.  It's not that different with authors really getting into thier creation.

But there's a difference between saying "With my Shepard it's...." and "I say...".

[Seboist]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

For me, I've been around fandoms in general since before I was school age.  My mom used to be president of the Christopher Lee International Club, and so over the course of years I've seen the full gamut of how fans can be from the normal to the 'you need therapy' crowd.  Really, if the forums weren't family friendly, I could tell stories that'd freak anyone out, and that's just the stuff from before the internet went public.

With the advent of the internet, the more intense of the fanbases is more readily visible and as much as one wants to write it all off as 'angry person venting' or 'posting to see the reactions', I've seen too much that I do wonder about that person sitting at the other keyboard.  Add to that having enough psych classes under the belt, and you really start wondering.

From the assorted Cerberus threads, I've seen some defending of real life atrocities that have been mentioned for correlation and yes, it has truely thrown me for a loop that someone would actually say on a publically accessed medium that such things were justified or reasonable.  I hope that it's just said for a shock reaction, or lack of education, but then there's that little wondering of what if it isn't.  And that I find truly horrifying.

You need to get over yourself and get off that high horse. Fixating on a handful of anonymous internet users supporting Cerberus on an irrelevant message board doesn't paint the the best picture of you either.

[M-Sinistrari]

Seboist wrote...

You need to get over yourself and get off that high horse. Fixating on a handful of anonymous internet users supporting Cerberus on an irrelevant message board doesn't paint the the best picture of you either.

One can also say your getting worked up over what others are saying about a fictional group on an irrelevant message board isn't a good portrayal of yourself either.

You really don't get it do you?  It doesn't matter what the fictional thing is, never did.  It's the acting like it's something life impactingly serious to the point you'll justify anything to back up the beliefs behind it.  But I doubt I'm making any sense to you to even just sit back and think.

[Warlock Adam]

Not everyone who distrusts Cerberus is a naive idealist. For instance:


Conversely, not everyone who likes Cerberus is a warmongering racist. For instance:

Dreadwing 67
With all the hate going toward Cerberus or complete and absolute loyalty toward them, I cant help but think why we have this pro or anti crap about them.

Sure, they're not good by any stretch of the imagination. But they brought your Shepard back from the dead and helped you defeat the collectors. One less enemy to worry about and one more ally who stood by your back. They score points in my book.

The articles and interviews are vague about why Cerberus turns on you and gives no details. I will not draw any conclusions until i have ME3 in my hands and I am told where TIM stands with me.

Heres the main point of the post. I will give Cerberus the benefit of the doubt for now. If they try to stop me, i will obliterate them unmercifully and without regret. TIM wont live to see the fate of the galaxy and Cerberus will just fade to middle school history boooks.

If he is still with me regardless of what i have done (If i gave him the base, i mean come on, he'd have to be pretty stupid to think i wont take it from his cold dead hands)  then he will be a true ally for bringing me back and for assisting me in ending the reaper threat.

I have no problem with either scenario because i will not speculate if i should take the early news literally. The constant theme of all of ME2 is "dont trust cerberus Shepard." They havent proven to me that they are the noble hero of the Human race, but they havent proven much of anything to show me what they're legacy will be.

So with that, screw with me, TIM is done for. Side with me, you may yet be a hero TIM. I care no way or the other, i just want to kill the reapers and see the accumulation of all my choices.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/7209176

We can all have different opinions and agree to disagree. Nothing is proven until ME3.

[Moiaussi]

Seboist wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

So you are generalizing all those criticizing Cerberus based on 'one guy?'

It's not just one guy.

With due respect, most of us criticizing Cerberus are doing so based on what we actually know about them, which includes TIM's characterizing their actions as those others would call "criminal. Unethical. Amoral."

Those defending Cerberus seem to simply take the line that such actions are neccessary as gospel, without any proof of results, or defend Cerberus because they are the ones who act friendly rather than expect you to convince them, discounting the possiblitly that Cerberus are just using Shepard as a tool for their own ends on blind faith that what TIM considers best for humanity is what they themselves would also think is best for humanity.

Nevermind that TIM has never actually described any endgame, or that his approach to dealing with the Reapers seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy in which as much of the truth is conceiled from the other empires as possible, therefore giving them as little ability as possible to see the threat let alone prepare for it.

Don't get me wrong. There is something to intuition and sometimes major decisions are snap judgement calls on insufficient information. All I am saying is that insisting that for some of us at least, there is stronger evidence against Cerberus than for it.

This does not mean committing resources against Cerberus that could otherwise be used against the Reapers is neccessarily wise right now either. Unfortunately, to the extent TIM is still conceiling information or otherwise working against the Alliance and Council, it sort of forces that kind of action.

With respect to those pro Cerberus people who want to take down the Alliance in ME3, how is that even remotely rational? Kill the Alliance when you should be taking down the Reapers? Pardon???

[Seboist]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

You need to get over yourself and get off that high horse. Fixating on a handful of anonymous internet users supporting Cerberus on an irrelevant message board doesn't paint the the best picture of you either.

One can also say your getting worked up over what others are saying about a fictional group on an irrelevant message board isn't a good portrayal of yourself either.

You really don't get it do you?  It doesn't matter what the fictional thing is, never did.  It's the acting like it's something life impactingly serious to the point you'll justify anything to back up the beliefs behind it.  But I doubt I'm making any sense to you to even just sit back and think.

It's the rabid anti-Ceberus people on here are the ones with unhealthy sentiments not the fans The over the top hate of Cerberus while everyone else from genocidal robots,ultra-violent man turtles and a racial caste alien dictatorship get a blank pass is downright hilarious. Not even the Reapers and their Collectors get no where near that amount of hate.

Do you get butthurt over people justiftying the genophage?

[Zall]

Dave666 wrote...

While I agree with you in that sometimes you do need to take a step back and remember that its just fiction, there are times when you see people so vehemently defending Cerberus' actions that you do have to wonder about a posters morality.  To see some people so unable to place themselves in someone else's shoes is worrying sometimes when you realize that the poster may actually think like that in real life.

I agree with you. It scares the **** out of me, that some people here feel completely justified during Overlord to leave David in that machine for the "good" of humanity. Proves how much I know about the people around me...

[M-Sinistrari]

Seboist wrote...


It's the rabid anti-Ceberus people on here are the ones with unhealthy sentiments not the fans The over the top hate of Cerberus while everyone else from genocidal robots,ultra-violent man turtles and a racial caste alien dictatorship get a blank pass is downright hilarious. Not even the Reapers and their Collectors get no where near that amount of hate.

Do you get butthurt over people justiftying the genophage?

You really don't get it and at this point I doubt you ever will.

[Seboist]

Moiaussi wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Cerberus haters are the ones who get too emotional. I've seen one guy on here pass personal judgment on people just on the count of supporting Cerberus.

So you are generalizing all those criticizing Cerberus based on 'one guy?'

It's not just one guy.

With due respect, most of us criticizing Cerberus are doing so based on what we actually know about them, which includes TIM's characterizing their actions as those others would call "criminal. Unethical. Amoral."

Those defending Cerberus seem to simply take the line that such actions are neccessary as gospel, without any proof of results, or defend Cerberus because they are the ones who act friendly rather than expect you to convince them, discounting the possiblitly that Cerberus are just using Shepard as a tool for their own ends on blind faith that what TIM considers best for humanity is what they themselves would also think is best for humanity.

Nevermind that TIM has never actually described any endgame, or that his approach to dealing with the Reapers seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy in which as much of the truth is conceiled from the other empires as possible, therefore giving them as little ability as possible to see the threat let alone prepare for it.

Don't get me wrong. There is something to intuition and sometimes major decisions are snap judgement calls on insufficient information. All I am saying is that insisting that for some of us at least, there is stronger evidence against Cerberus than for it.

This does not mean committing resources against Cerberus that could otherwise be used against the Reapers is neccessarily wise right now either. Unfortunately, to the extent TIM is still conceiling information or otherwise working against the Alliance and Council, it sort of forces that kind of action.

With respect to those pro Cerberus people who want to take down the Alliance in ME3, how is that even remotely rational? Kill the Alliance when you should be taking down the Reapers? Pardon???

Sure there's legitimate grievences against Cerberus, my issue stems the other factions getting a blank pass. Some of the same people who hate Cerberus turn a blind eye to the Council sterilizing an entire species or the Geth nearly exterminating an entire species. I guess since Cerberus didn't do it then it's okay.

And I haven't seen any Pro-Cerberus fans talking about taking down the Alliance besides Extreme.

[squee913]

Seboist wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

You need to get over yourself and get off that high horse. Fixating on a handful of anonymous internet users supporting Cerberus on an irrelevant message board doesn't paint the the best picture of you either.

One can also say your getting worked up over what others are saying about a fictional group on an irrelevant message board isn't a good portrayal of yourself either.

You really don't get it do you?  It doesn't matter what the fictional thing is, never did.  It's the acting like it's something life impactingly serious to the point you'll justify anything to back up the beliefs behind it.  But I doubt I'm making any sense to you to even just sit back and think.

It's the rabid anti-Ceberus people on here are the ones with unhealthy sentiments not the fans The over the top hate of Cerberus while everyone else from genocidal robots,ultra-violent man turtles and a racial caste alien dictatorship get a blank pass is downright hilarious. Not even the Reapers and their Collectors get no where near that amount of hate.

Do you get butthurt over people justiftying the genophage?

Genocidal robots? The geth fought a war. In that war many Qurains died. After the war, they left the quarians and everyone else alone. How does this make them genocidal? That’s like saying the Allies were genocidal because they killed lots of Germans in world war 2. Unless you are referring to the small sect that worked with the reapers, and I don’t think anyone defends them. Not to mention the Qurains attacked them.

The Krogan are ultra violent, and some of them (like Okeer)  do horrible things like Cerberus. But I don’t see anyone defending Okeers actions.  A racial caste alien dictatorship in it’s self is not an atrocity. It is simply a different culture. Not one I agree with, but defiantly not pumping people full of acid just to watch what happens.

And yes, there have been major debates about eh genophage here, just not right now. Either way, the genopage was a last resort by a desperate galaxy. Right or wrong, it was the only thing they could think of. If the salarains could have found another way they would have. Cerberus does horrible things to children simply because it might produce a better biotic. In addition, many Salarains struggle with the morality of what hey did. They show that they have regret and sympathize with the victims of the genophage. TIM looks at all he has done sleep easy.

THAT is why a lot of us hate Cerberus more than any of the examples you gave.
What were your reasons for defending them again?

Modifié par squee913, 13 mai 2011 - 09:03 .

[Seboist]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...


It's the rabid anti-Ceberus people on here are the ones with unhealthy sentiments not the fans The over the top hate of Cerberus while everyone else from genocidal robots,ultra-violent man turtles and a racial caste alien dictatorship get a blank pass is downright hilarious. Not even the Reapers and their Collectors get no where near that amount of hate.

Do you get butthurt over people justiftying the genophage?

You really don't get it and at this point I doubt you ever will.

I'm not paranoid about somebody supporting real life atrocities on the count of supporting a fictional organization like you are. Sorry.

[Seboist]

squee913 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Seboist wrote...

You need to get over yourself and get off that high horse. Fixating on a handful of anonymous internet users supporting Cerberus on an irrelevant message board doesn't paint the the best picture of you either.

One can also say your getting worked up over what others are saying about a fictional group on an irrelevant message board isn't a good portrayal of yourself either.

You really don't get it do you?  It doesn't matter what the fictional thing is, never did.  It's the acting like it's something life impactingly serious to the point you'll justify anything to back up the beliefs behind it.  But I doubt I'm making any sense to you to even just sit back and think.

It's the rabid anti-Ceberus people on here are the ones with unhealthy sentiments not the fans The over the top hate of Cerberus while everyone else from genocidal robots,ultra-violent man turtles and a racial caste alien dictatorship get a blank pass is downright hilarious. Not even the Reapers and their Collectors get no where near that amount of hate.

Do you get butthurt over people justiftying the genophage?

Genocidal robots? The geth fought a war. In that war many Qurains died. After the war, they left the quarians and everyone else alone. How does this make them genocidal? That’s like saying the Allies were genocidal because they killed lots of Germans in world war 2. Unless you are referring to the small sect hat worked with the reapers, and I don’t think anyone defends them.  The Krogan are ultra violent, and some of them (like Okeer)  do horrible things like Cerberus. But I don’t see anyone defending Okeers actions.  A racial caste alien dictatorship in it’s self is not an atrocity. It is simply a different culture. Not one I agree with, but defiantly not pumping people full of acid just to watch what happens.

And yes, there have been major debates about eh genophage here, just not right now. Either way, the genopage was a last resort by a desperate galaxy. Right or wrong, it was the only thing they could think of. If the salarains could have found another way they would have. Cerberus does horrible things to children simply because it might produce a better biotic. In addition, many Salarains struggle with the morality of what hey did. They show that they have regret and sympathize with the victims of the genophage. TIM looks at all he has done sleep easy.

THAT is why a lot of us hate Cerberus more than any of the examples you gave.
What were your reasons for defending them again?

The Geth reduced a species' population from billions to a few million but hey that's not genocide, that's "population reduction".

[squee913]

Seboist wrote...

The Geth reduced a species' population from billions to a few million but hey that's not genocide, that's "population reduction".

Genocide is when someone attacks another with the intent to wipe them all out. The Geth were fighting a war they did not start. If the Geth wanted Genocide, they would have hunted the rest of the Qurains down. It would not have been hard at that point. Instead, once the Quraians left he planet, they left everyone alone. If the Qurains kept attacking the geth until their numbers had been reduced to millions, that is not Genocide. It is the Quarians not knowing when to admit defeat.  

To prove the point, over 12 million Germans were killed in world war 2. This severely cut their population down. Yet, it is not called genocide because the Allies were not trying to wipe them out. Germany would not surrender and the Allies were forced to kill that many to end the war. 

*edit* Sorry, it was the russians I think that lost 20 million

Modifié par squee913, 13 mai 2011 - 09:33 .