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Someone With Mass wrote...

As for the topic, I fail to see what's the big deal. Oh, no that character is not a full-time squadmate, but (s)he's a cameo like Liara was in LotSB. Let's mope about it.


It's a big deal when certian unimportant sex objects get special treatment over more important characters that are not only relevant but bring more to the table than just another gun. Such as Mordin and Miranda.

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Making things up yet again Midget?  Well you do have a history of doing that and claiming your opinions as facts...

Nowhere in this thread has Mesina stated that he created this thread to spite a moderator.  All he has said is that a previous thread was locked due to bickering.  (Something we are doing I might add).


You're in denial. Or maybe you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for. Anyone knows that this Topic isn't meant to establish civil discuession but to simply spite Zulu since a Mod locked the other Topic.

Bickering that not only was he a part of but encouraged and fanned the flames of. Make no mistake, he made this Topic to only spite those he disagreed with.


Or he opened this thread to promote discussion on the idea that the nay sayers who claimed 'variables' as an absolute reason why none of the characters could return in ME:3 might want to rethink their position.  Unless you are claiming telepathy and can read someones intentions over the internet then you are yet again claiming your opinions as fact.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

As for the topic, I fail to see what's the big deal. Oh, no that character is not a full-time squadmate, but (s)he's a cameo like Liara was in LotSB. Let's mope about it.


Uhm, LOTSB was DLC, meaning, not part of the game. Extra. Cameo of Liara in the ME2, the game, where all Liara did was sit in a chair, is what people are afraid of.


Also if you expect they are going to devote time into each character (cameo) as the did into LOTSB for non-critical story. lol.

Modifié par Niddy', 12 mai 2011 - 06:38 .


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Elite Midget wrote...
It's a big deal when certian unimportant sex objects get special treatment over more important characters that are not only relevant but bring more to the table than just another gun. Such as Mordin and Miranda.


Miranda, I can agree, but Mordin? Mordin was one of the most plot important characters in ME2, and he can probably help with the situation between the krogans and the salarians in ME3.

Plus, I liked his song, and his...*ahem* advice regarding certain relationships.

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Elite Midget wrote...

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Making things up yet again Midget?  Well you do have a history of doing that and claiming your opinions as facts...

Nowhere in this thread has Mesina stated that he created this thread to spite a moderator.  All he has said is that a previous thread was locked due to bickering.  (Something we are doing I might add).


You're in denial. Or maybe you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for. Anyone knows that this Topic isn't meant to establish civil discuession but to simply spite Zulu since a Mod locked the other Topic.

Bickering that not only was he a part of but encouraged and fanned the flames of. Make no mistake, he made this Topic to only spite those he disagreed with.

The proof that you have not posted about Mesina spitting another user, and the fact that you add nothing in the discussion, when in fact you made fun and called names anyone who disagreed with you in other threads, does not give you the right to accuse anyone.

As I said, all of the original points of those who supported the return of the ME2 squad have been proved already.  Whoever claimed that a. No ME2 squadmates will return, b. No ME2 squadmates will be permanent and c. No ME2 squadmates will be as interactive as the rest of the squadmates has no proof.

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Niddy' wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

As for the topic, I fail to see what's the big deal. Oh, no that character is not a full-time squadmate, but (s)he's a cameo like Liara was in LotSB. Let's mope about it.


Uhm, LOTSB was DLC, meaning, not part of the game. Extra. Cameo of Liara in the ME2, the game, where all Liara did was sit in a chair, is what people are afraid of.





LotSB is bridge DLC like Arrival.

Played DLC or not, it will act like you played it in ME3.

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LotSB is bridge DLC like Arrival.

Played DLC or not, it will act like you played it in ME3.


I.e, Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is pretty much canon. The same with the court deal in Arrival.

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Agreed Mesina.  How are people bitter exactly?  We got what we wanted, Squaddies are returning, maybe not all of them in the same capacity, but they're returning nontheless.  The only ones who might be bitter would be those who might have claimed that 'due to the variables none of them will return'.

*Tries to remember who said that then checks sig...*


Thing is that popularity shouldn't decide development of a character. The story should. I shouldn't be forced to like or have a character on my squad because others like them and they now have to the it guy on the team.

I like Garrus and all but the Garrusmaners demand to be pleased and they thrust a guy, who failed at pretty much everything he's tried to do and hasn't been integral to the story line since he was trying to get info at the beginning of me1, into the main plot of a story because <3 <3 <3 he's my waifu. :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:


It probably shouldn't Niddy, but lets face it, it probably does come down to that.  No business in their right minds would say 'well we know that X is waaaay more popular than Y, but screw it we'll only offer Y'.

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The proof that you have not posted about Mesina spitting another user, and the fact that you add nothing in the discussion, when in fact you made fun and called names anyone who disagreed with you in other threads, does not give you the right to accuse anyone.

As I said, all of the original points of those who supported the return of the ME2 squad have been proved already.  Whoever claimed that a. No ME2 squadmates will return, b. No ME2 squadmates will be permanent and c. No ME2 squadmates will be as interactive as the rest of the squadmates has no proof.


So he wasen't in that last Topic with the rest of the mobs that were mass insulting Zulu? Oh well if that's... Wait a minute right there! He was! Than after that's locked he says "Screw what the Mods think, I'm remaking that Topic anyway so I can spite Zulu more!" and lo and behold here's this Topic that's meant to do just that.

He even mentions that he thinks it was 'hilarious' than he has the nerve to say he wants things to be 'civil' after he just made an uncivil insult in his first post aagainst Zulu.

No they haven't. They've only been confirmed for special treatment crow feet and hawk man.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Miranda, I can agree, but Mordin? Mordin was one of the most plot important characters in ME2, and he can probably help with the situation between the krogans and the salarians in ME3.

Plus, I liked his song, and his...*ahem* advice regarding certain relationships.


Miranda I can agree, but Tali? Tali is one of the most important characters in all the ME games, and she can probally help with the situation between the Quarians and the Geth in ME3.

See, I can do that too.

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Niddy' wrote...
Thing is that popularity shouldn't decide development of a character. The story should. I shouldn't be forced to like or have a character on my squad because others like them and they now have to the it guy on the team.

I like Garrus and all but the Garrusmaners demand to be pleased and they thrust a guy, who failed at pretty much everything he's tried to do and hasn't been integral to the story line since he was trying to get info at the beginning of me1, into the main plot of a story because <3 <3 <3 he's my waifu. :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

Really?  Come on, this is just silly now.
All ME2 squadmates are integral to the plot. The whole game revolves about  Shepard finding them. ME1: Wrex and Garrus make no sense as to why the join you, Tali is an obvious plot device, Ashley makes little sense.

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Even I think it's funny to poke the trolls for being so serious.

Give it a rest.

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Miranda I can agree, but Tali? Tali is one of the most important characters in all the ME games, and she can probally help with the situation between the Quarians and the Geth in ME3.

See, I can do that too.


That has nothing to do with Mordin.

And stop being so butthurt about that. Many of us have given you solutions to the problems you're constantly whining about.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Even I think it's funny to poke the trolls for being so serious.

Give it a rest.


And this is one of the people that helped get Zulu's Topic locked. When they don't agree with someone they call them trolls. When they and others of their elk trolls? They ignore it and pretend that they're in the right.

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Elite Midget wrote...

He even mentions that he thinks it was 'hilarious' than he has the nerve to say he wants things to be 'civil' after he just made an uncivil insult in his first post aagainst Zulu.


Thread is not against anyone, I just found entire discussion hilarious.


If it bothers you, I can just remove "hilarious" part.

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Niddy' wrote...

Not bringing everyone back makes ME2 pointless.

The whole idea was to create a team. For the collectors.....only?


For a suicide mission. There was never any notion that assembling the best individual termites the galaxy has to offer would give us an edge whilst fighting the sun.

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The one thing I can't stand on the internet is when someone says "all the X think Y." Actually, it's long been the claim of many, many, many of the fans of individual characters that "Entire Team is Jacob" is better than no old faces at all. Very few fans of any single character that I've seen has said "I'd rather nobody from ME2 come back than have characters other than my favorite come back." Only one or two people have said that, and they're... well... selfish.

Do I have to post the image again? DO I?

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 12 mai 2011 - 06:48 .


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[quote]Elite Midget wrote...
So he wasen't in that last Topic with the rest of the mobs that were mass insulting Zulu? Oh well if that's... Wait a minute right there! He was! Than after that's locked he says "Screw what the Mods think, I'm remaking that Topic anyway so I can spite Zulu more!" and lo and behold here's this Topic that's meant to do just that.[/quote]


He even mentions that he thinks it was 'hilarious' than he has the nerve to say he wants things to be 'civil' after he just made an uncivil insult in his first post aagainst Zulu.[/quote]
L2Presumption of Innocense. The only proof that I see is you accusing another member.

[quote]No they haven't. They've only been confirmed for special treatment crow feet and hawk man.[/quote]
1. The following have been confirmed to return permanently:
Kaiden Alenko, Ashley Williams, Liara T'Soni, Garrus Vakarian,  Tali Zhorah vas Normandy. All of them have several variables connected to their person.

[quote]special treatment crow feet[/quote]
2. The thing is, nobody made fun of you and Zulu. The signature is for comedic relief in a stressful forum. The only reason that you lose respect is because you post stuff like these.

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Elite Midget wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Even I think it's funny to poke the trolls for being so serious.

Give it a rest.


And this is one of the people that helped get Zulu's Topic locked. When they don't agree with someone they call them trolls. When they and others of their elk trolls? They ignore it and pretend that they're in the right.



I don't remember ever calling ZULU a troll.

Hell, not even smudboy!




P.S.

There is big diffrence between those two.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

That has nothing to do with Mordin.

And stop being so butthurt about that. Many of us have given you solutions to the problems you're constantly whining about.


So I'm butthurt because I would rather have Mordin and Miranda over optional sex objects? Your solutions mean nothing because they basically go down too...

"Either you get Tali or Garrus and deal with it or just deal with missing a bunch of content in ME3. Don't worry about the rest of the ME2 Red ****s or Wrex though. They'll get those unimportant cameo's that aren't needed."

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

The one thing I can't stand on the internet is when someone says "all the X think Y." Actually, it's long been the claim of many, many, many of the fans of individual characters that "Entire Team is Jacob" is better than no old faces at all. Very few fans of any single character that I've seen has said "I'd rather nobody from ME2 come back than have characters other than my favorite come back." Only one or two people have said that, and they're... well... selfish.

Do I have to post the image again? DO I?


*Begs* Please! No!!!!! Please I beg you!  Spare us!!!

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Phaedon wrote...


Really?  Come on, this is just silly now.
All ME2 squadmates are integral to the plot. The whole game revolves about  Shepard finding them. ME1: Wrex and Garrus make no sense as to why the join you, Tali is an obvious plot device, Ashley makes little sense.


Actually, no. While Garrus and Wrex have no real purpose there is an option to not even take them. Due to popularity in Garrus, failed non-critical to story LI, is now inegral. Yet, my LI, perhaps, gets a less than meaningful cameo because she/he was less popular. Same goes for Tali, hasn't added anything to the main story line since beginning of me1.


As likeable as they are, popular LIs should not take priority over any other LI.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

The one thing I can't stand on the internet is when someone says "all the X think Y." Actually, it's long been the claim of many, many, many of the fans of individual characters that "Entire Team is Jacob" is better than no old faces at all. Very few fans of any single character that I've seen has said "I'd rather nobody from ME2 come back than have characters other than my favorite come back." Only one or two people have said that, and they're... well... selfish.

Do I have to post the image again? DO I?


*Reads thread*

I'm voting "yes."

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Mesina2 wrote...

I don't remember ever calling ZULU a troll.

Hell, not even smudboy!




P.S.

There is big diffrence between those two.


Oh really? So what about those outright insults made towards him? Or your constant approval of those like Mass that call others that don't agree with your shared mindset as trolls? You're just as bad as those that call others trolls when you approve of their toxic behaviour and encourage them to continue doing it. Though what's worse is that Mass just called all those he disagree with as trolls and what do you do?

You turn a blind eye just like Dave does.

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Niddy' wrote...

Not bringing everyone back makes ME2 pointless.

The whole idea was to create a team. For the collectors.....only?

Sorry,what!?!

The second act introduces: a. All of the concepts that will be dominant in the third act (Genophage, Cerberus, Nature of Reapers, Geth/Quarian conflict), b. Collect the resources that will be important in the third game (squadmates, all of the ME2 ones are returning, and some, if not most are permanent), c. Maintains the threat and the overreaching question.