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[Moiaussi]

Seboist wrote...

That didn't stop Shep from killing the Thorian.

That is the same Thorian that refuses to talk rationally and fights to the death while infecting the colonists and potentially you too? The same Thorian has (or is blocking access to) the cypher which Shepard does need to continue his primary mission?

Shepard also kills many Geth, as well as many mercenaries. In many cases the Mercs could simply have talked instead of engaging in suicide by cop by attacking mindlessly.

What is your point? The Thorian wasn't a side mission. Both renegade and paragon Shepards end up there, and paragons can offer parley. The Thorian refuses and as I said, fights to the death.

[Seboist]

Moiaussi wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That didn't stop Shep from killing the Thorian.

That is the same Thorian that refuses to talk rationally and fights to the death while infecting the colonists and potentially you too? The same Thorian has (or is blocking access to) the cypher which Shepard does need to continue his primary mission?

Shepard also kills many Geth, as well as many mercenaries. In many cases the Mercs could simply have talked instead of engaging in suicide by cop by attacking mindlessly.

What is your point? The Thorian wasn't a side mission. Both renegade and paragon Shepards end up there, and paragons can offer parley. The Thorian refuses and as I said, fights to the death.

The Thorian was minding it's own business for thousands of years until Exogeni disturbed it for their own purposes and Saren later betrayed it after making a "deal".  It had every reason not to be trusting of Shepard.

Shepard genocided the poor plant.

Modifié par Seboist, 14 mai 2011 - 09:35 .

[Moiaussi]

Seboist wrote...

The Thorian was minding it's own business for thousands of years until Exogeni disturbed it for their own purposes and Saren later betrayed it after making a "deal".  It had every reason not to be trusting of Shepard.

Shepard genocided the poor plant.

The 'poor plant' never had an exogeni gun to its head. It did take the colonists hostage and Exogeni didn't stop it. Saren betrayed it, but it was the Thorian's inability to differentiate between meatbags that did it in. Not only did it hold the colonists hostage, but it fired on Shepard first, too.
 
You keep trying to build logic traps by acting like morality is all black and white, and that context never matters. You have no actual arguements, so you just make up these straw men. I get the feeling that you actually believe your own arguements though.

[Skilled Seeker]

Exogeni is a cover organisation for Cerberus. The Cerberus logo is probably the Exogeni logo and Shepard sports it throughout ME2, seemingly a member of Exogeni for those not in the know.

Just a fun fact I thought I'd drop.

[Moiaussi]

Actually that is the Cord-somethingorother logo in ME2 but I seem to recall something about Saren being a major shareholder in Exogeni in ME1...

[Manic Sheep]

I agree.
I’m actually fine with how renegade is turning out tho. Allot of the time I don’t want the better option although bioware went a little overboard with the negatives is collector base IMO where every single squadmate disagrees with the decision regardless of what they say in the base (I wouldn’t expect them to be jumping for joy but just one of them saying they agree with the choice even if they are concerned about Cerberus would have been nice).

But paragon choices seem to lack teeth. With many if the renegade decisions the negative consequences are right in your face you get specifics and that’s where the focus seems to lie. With bring down the sky those hostages die, you saw them, the girl had a name and you spoke to her. It was a very clear consequence and forces you to think about the cost. With the paragon choices the positives seem to be focused on and if there is a negative it seems to be mostly non specific. If you let balak go you get a vague “still at large” news report. No names, no mention of victims. You usually seem to be able to have your cake and eat it too and without sacrificing anything for the ‘moral’ choice it lacks meaning and conflict IMO and is less interesting (tho not all paragon choices are purely moral choices, there is different logic behind allot of them too). Srill I guess thats what I like in a story, others don't have the same taste.

At least arrival forced paragon shepard to do something really bad but that wasn’t a choice really, you knew you would all die if you didn’t do it. Would still suck but less than consequences caused by a decision you made when it was not your only option.
Both renegade and paragon, especially paragon are much more interesting when you ignore allot of the charm/intimidate options. In fact I will do a run-through where I try and ignore them completely. Allot of the time  it seem like they try to give you a tough decision but then let you bypass it anyway.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 15 mai 2011 - 08:27 .

[landis963]

Moiaussi wrote...

Actually that is the Cord-somethingorother logo in ME2 but I seem to recall something about Saren being a major shareholder in Exogeni in ME1...

Binary Helix, actually.  It doesn't really matter, they all sound close enough to "Global Dynamics" (from Eureka) or "Massive Dynamic"  (from Fringe) anyway.