CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Yes, there was that. And also Tali's recruitment, where the sun will burn through your goddam ARMOR in like ten seconds. But no, Jack is totally fine topless there. She's got titanium skin. Eventually this just lead to me taking Garrus or other people with full armor and helmets everywhere.
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Ok, can we all just read this Straight Dope article on death in a vacuum and get back to the useful talk of stylish accessories?
Excerpt:To be sure, there are a few troublemakers who will give Cecil an argument on this. Some flight surgeons at NASA, for instance, say death in a vacuum would be almost instantaneous. They offer the following Technicolor scenario: your blood would boil, your eyeballs wouldnexplode, and your lungs would turn to red slush.
But the medical literature suggests this view is exaggerated. For one thing, I have never seen anything indicating your eyeballs would explode (although your eardrumms might burst). It's true that in the absence of ambient pressure your blood and other bodily fluids would boil, in the sense that they would turn to vapor. But that's not as drastic as it
sounds. Your soft tissues would swell markedly, but they'd return to normal if you were recompressed within a short time.
It's conceivable your lungs might rupture, since in a vacuum the air in them would greatly expand. But experience suggests this is rare even if decompression is extremely rapid. The chances are much greater if your windpipe is closed, making it impossible for the expanding air to escape.
Death would not be instantaneous. It's believed you'd have 10-15 seconds of "useful consciousness" and it'd be several minutes before you'd die. If you were rescued within that time there's a decent chance you'd survive. Research with chimps and monkeys suggests that if you were exposed to a virtual vacuum for less than 90-120 seconds you might not suffer any permanent damage.
Also, if you don't trust old Cecil, NASA puts it significantly more boringly here.
dbndzb wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
DeadLetterBox wrote...
I can accept them not getting rid of exposed skin and breather masks as long as people with breather masks in a chlorine gas atmosphere return to the ship blinded and people in near-vacuum with exposed chests have their hearts burst out.
Why would someone's heart burst out of their chest going from one ATM to zero? Do you realize divers undergo far greater pressure differentials and survive them just fine? It's not the lack of pressure that makes exposure dangerous (at least not in the Hollywood style of people exploding or freezing solid). It's all the radiation.
hate to get all physics-y on you guys, but you're both wrong (and to a lesser degree, right). DLB, You're correct in that radiation would be a huge factor. Marshallek, the vaccum would catastrophically affect people, but no hearts would be sucked out. And divers are able to withstand those huge pressures because they transition slowly. If you swim to the surface too quickly, game = over.
In truth, our blood would boil, causing the body to swell to enormous proportions (1.5-2 times), massive internal bleeding (obv), lack of oxygen, and tiny meteorite holes, depending where you were. All-in-all, very gruesome.
Also, I strongly agree with this thread. I like the identity the characters gained by having unique armors, but I think more variety would go a long way. As far as stat customization is concerned, I think that should be minimal at best; I don't like the idea of one armor being "the best," because then everyone ends up wearing cheesy colossus armor.
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 mai 2011 - 08:20 .
Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
Well Grunt is relatively okay, Krogans can withstand extreme temperatures and pressure plus toxic environments. In addition, he's the perfect Krogan.
DeadLetterBox wrote...
Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
Well Grunt is relatively okay, Krogans can withstand extreme temperatures and pressure plus toxic environments. In addition, he's the perfect Krogan.
Which makes it especially interesting that Grunt has a fully sealed suit, no?
Modifié par marshalleck, 13 mai 2011 - 08:37 .
marshalleck wrote...
it's funny to me that apparently the brains at Bioware thought their fanbase either wouldn't notice this, or wouldn't care enough to make giving squaddies environmental suits worthwhile. That or they were convinced armor is simply too complex and confusing, and had to eliminate it to reach a new audience.
"Hey that guy looks kinda like Thane but his clothes changed, is it Thane or a WHOLE NEW CHARACTER I don't know? Whhhaaaaaaaaat!?? This RPGs is too hard!"
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 mai 2011 - 08:44 .
Mesina2 wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
it's funny to me that apparently the brains at Bioware thought their fanbase either wouldn't notice this, or wouldn't care enough to make giving squaddies environmental suits worthwhile. That or they were convinced armor is simply too complex and confusing, and had to eliminate it to reach a new audience.
"Hey that guy looks kinda like Thane but his clothes changed, is it Thane or a WHOLE NEW CHARACTER I don't know? Whhhaaaaaaaaat!?? This RPGs is too hard!"
Now now, come on.
I think that it's more likely they thought that people willing to play in a universe with a plethora of humanoid aliens and where FTL transport is ubiquitous might not be very concerned about scientific accuracy. And on the whole, they might be right. The problem is that the need for a spacesuit in space is a more funadmental and relatable truth than the limitations of light speed or theoretical xenobiological diversity - more akin to having future humans no longer need to breathe oxygen than changing how the speed of light works. It's not one of the science ideas that can be easily changed in SF for the sake of plot convenience.
That said, removing the "fully sealed suit" requirement gives the designers a lot more leeway. There are only so many ways you can customize something that covers all skin, and helmets can look dumb, and reduce the amount a character can clearly emote.
lol, very noice.marshalleck wrote...
"Hey that guy looks kinda like Thane but his clothes changed, is it Thane or a WHOLE NEW CHARACTER I don't know? Whhhaaaaaaaaat!?? This RPGs is too hard!"
Apollo Starflare wrote...
All they need to do to make me happy is give everyone equipable CSI-style sunglasses. And a monocle for Legion. And a tophat.
Modifié par DeadLetterBox, 13 mai 2011 - 09:19 .
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
it's funny to me that apparently the brains at Bioware thought their fanbase either wouldn't notice this, or wouldn't care enough to make giving squaddies environmental suits worthwhile. That or they were convinced armor is simply too complex and confusing, and had to eliminate it to reach a new audience.
"Hey that guy looks kinda like Thane but his clothes changed, is it Thane or a WHOLE NEW CHARACTER I don't know? Whhhaaaaaaaaat!?? This RPGs is too hard!"
Now now, come on.
I think that it's more likely they thought that people willing to play in a universe with a plethora of humanoid aliens and where FTL transport is ubiquitous might not be very concerned about scientific accuracy. And on the whole, they might be right. The problem is that the need for a spacesuit in space is a more funadmental and relatable truth than the limitations of light speed or theoretical xenobiological diversity - more akin to having future humans no longer need to breathe oxygen than changing how the speed of light works. It's not one of the science ideas that can be easily changed in SF for the sake of plot convenience.
That said, removing the "fully sealed suit" requirement gives the designers a lot more leeway. There are only so many ways you can customize something that covers all skin, and helmets can look dumb, and reduce the amount a character can clearly emote.
DeadLetterBox wrote...
Apollo Starflare wrote...
All they need to do to make me happy is give everyone equipable CSI-style sunglasses. And a monocle for Legion. And a tophat.
A monocle for Legion isn't all that fun. He's only got one eye. I say a pocke****ch instead. He can keep it in that hole of his that he supposedly patched.
Edit: pocke****ch is a bad word? Pocket. Watch. Pocke****ch. Oh, that's funny.
DeadLetterBox wrote...
Apollo Starflare wrote...
All they need to do to make me happy is give everyone equipable CSI-style sunglasses. And a monocle for Legion. And a tophat.
A monocle for Legion isn't all that fun. He's only got one eye. I say a pocke****ch instead. He can keep it in that hole of his that he supposedly patched.
Edit: pocke****ch is a bad word? Pocket. Watch. Pocke****ch. Oh, that's funny.
Icinix wrote...
What the...
Pocket Watch is a great idea...
but why is T W A T a bad word? ^.-
Im confused.
marshalleck wrote...
Then don't send the player to extreme environments where walking around in a gas mask and no other protective gear will leave players scratching their heads.
DeadLetterBox wrote...
Icinix wrote...
What the...
Pocket Watch is a great idea...
but why is T W A T a bad word? ^.-
Im confused.
It's like azure on Illium, except less complimentary. It's not a nice word, but it also isn't used much. Think I heard it once in junior high school at lunch.
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