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[TheRevanchist]

Indeed...that plot assumes everyone cheats on Ashley...

                http://t2.gstatic.co...nqeJEgxiwAg&t=1

That woman is sexy enough without all that crap...and I think she looks far less attractive with all the make up and the artifical physical enhancement.

[PrinceLionheart]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

That would be the dumbest subplot ever.

Seriously, that's the equivalent of Being a **** to Get Your Man, and would be even more of a betrayal of her character from the first game.

[Captain_Obvious]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Ah, yes. The good old "previously self-respecting woman vying for a man's attention by tarting up and forsaking any sense of personal integrity" scenario.

Uh, yeah.  I kinda have to agree with LiquidGrape on this one.  If that's what's happened to Ash she may never make it into one of my ME3 playthroughs. 

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
But you see, Ashley wouldn't try to imitate the competition.

She'd puch it in the goddamn face.

And then probably kick Shepard in the balls.

That's exactly what she would do if this all went down in ME. But if she's put through enough trauma, and she really want's Shepard that bad (and if she tried that already and it didn't work), she might give girly a shot. Which would be a betrayal of herself, and would be wrong, and hopefully she realizes that and becomes a better person through the bitter experience, and maybe see's fit to be just a little more girly in general because maybe it turns out she didn't like supressing that girlyness as much as she felt she needed to all along...

Maybe she realizes she doesn't need to act the tough girl all the time to get by in her probably man-centric proffession. Maybe she becomes girly because she becomes MORE confident.

Who knows. But again, that's all hoping against hope that, her appearently near tottal role reversal, is given some good reason by the plot and not just magiced up.

[TheRevanchist]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Seriously though, that chick loved Shepard or whatever, and I don't know about yours but my Shepard railed Miri like there was no tommorow, and in one instance may never go back. That's gotta create some kind of friction when Ashley comes back! If it doesn't that would just be ridiculous.

But you see, Ashley wouldn't try to imitate the competition.

She'd puch it in the goddamn face.

And then probably kick Shepard in the balls.

This post = pure win

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

It just so happens that's my favorite kind of scenario!

Then you should die horribly and never find a girlfriend.

Bwahahahaha! Probably both will be the case, at least one. But for the record, I'm joking

[Thrombin]

Anyone consider the possibility that it would be quite expensive to make Full Body armour for females in different cup sizes? Maybe it's just an off-the shelf model and she's just got plenty of room to breathe in there

Modifié par Thrombin, 13 mai 2011 - 11:02 .

[Jade Elf]

Heh.

Until we see more than one screenshot of Ash in ME3, I'm just going to shrug and say, "let's wait and see...".

To quote Evil Chris: "NOTHING is confirmed until we ship."

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

That would be the dumbest subplot ever.

Indeed. And in order to show how dumb it is, I've attempted to come up with a better subplot that explains that screenshot. Hopefully I have succeeded!

My idea is based on an article I read a long time ago, and a photo. I really wish I could find them. It was a picture of a bunch of congresspeople standing around, talking, but just showed their legs and shoes. All the women were wearing skirts and high heels. All the men were wearing dress pants and fairly comfortable-looking leather dress shoes. The point of the article was this: if you go into politics as a woman, you're expected to emphasize your femininity, even at the expense of practicality. It's the only way to get the establishment to accept you.

Ash's new look might make sense now that she's a Spectre, if she's being tarted up by the alliance media as a poster girl. She has to wear the makeup and the showy outfit now, and she hates it. But she's willing to buckle down and do it for humanity. Once she gets back on the ship she may relax a bit, but when she goes out in public, it's all about politics and public image, and she has to wear the makeup and the push-up bra.

This also incorporates something Jacob tells you in ME2: they didn't think Shepard was attractive enough either, and eventually replaced her on posters with a better-looking composite face. This plot development would make sense, be feminist, and also be somewhat tragic. I think it's a little too heavy for BIoware, but a lightened-up version might work.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 mai 2011 - 11:11 .

[Dean_the_Young]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

I don't know, I've seen a lot of boobs alot of places and see no signs of the attraction wearing off. Boobs is one of those things that never gets old.

Take a life drawing class.  The fun of boobies wears off quick.

Better yet, save the money and just watch old-person porn.

Like, really old person.

Indeed, Ashley isn't Ashley without roaring into battle in full body armor.

Hell, even if they want 'light' soldier-girl, they could always take inspiration from Major Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell. That was a strong female character who was able to separate yet excell in both sensual attractiveness and kick-ass combat.

[NKKKK]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

That would be the dumbest subplot ever.

Indeed. And in order to show how dumb it is, I've attempted to come up with a better subplot that explains that screenshot. Hopefully I have succeeded!

My idea is based on an article I read a long time ago, and a photo. I really wish I could find them. It was a picture of a bunch of congresspeople standing around, talking, but just showed their legs and shoes. All the women were wearing skirts and high heels. All the men were wearing dress pants and fairly comfortable-looking leather dress shoes. The point of the article was this: if you go into politics as a woman, you're expected to emphasize your femininity, even at the expense of practicality. It's the only way to get the establishment to accept you.

Ash's new look might make sense now that she's a Spectre, if she's being tarted up by the alliance media as a poster girl. She has to wear the makeup and the showy outfit now, and she hates it. But she's willing to buckle down and do it for humanity. Once she gets back on the ship she may relax a bit, but when she goes out in public, it's all about politics and public image, and she has to wear the makeup and the push-up bra.

That would make sense, be feminist, and also be somewhat tragic. I think it's a little too heavy for BIoware, but a lightened-up version might work.

But femshep never did that.

This is just extravagant bimbofication.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

That's exactly what she would do if this all went down in ME. But if she's put through enough trauma, and she really want's Shepard that bad (and if she tried that already and it didn't work), she might give girly a shot. Which would be a betrayal of herself, and would be wrong, and hopefully she realizes that and becomes a better person through the bitter experience, and maybe see's fit to be just a little more girly in general because maybe it turns out she didn't like supressing that girlyness as much as she felt she needed to all along...

ASHLEY IS NOT, NOR WILL SHE EVER BECOME, A SUBMISSIVE SL*T.  IF SHE DOES, THAT IS VERY BAD WRITING AND A BETRAYAL OF HER CHARACTER.  I AM TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO YOU GET IT.  ALSO, I THINK MY SHIFT KEY IS STUck oh there we go.

Maybe she realizes she doesn't need to act the tough girl all the time to get by in her probably man-centric proffession. Maybe she becomes girly because she becomes MORE confident.

No.  Ashley is a great character because she is absolutely blunt and 100% true to herself.  She doesn't try to impress anyone, nor hide who she is, ever.  Besides, she read poetry and wore pink armor--that was her girly outlet.  Listen to her dialogue--she ENJOYS being tough!

See, Ash is the kind of girl who would go to the beach in a pink swimsuit, but not because she wanted to be sexy or girly--no, she just likes the color pink.  If someone flirted with her, she'd flirt back, but she wouldn't go around shoving her boobs in people's faces, and she wouldn't hesitate to curbstomp anyone who went too far.  She's confident of her identity, and anyone who has a problem with it had better get the f*ck out of her way.  She wouldn't dress like a tramp because she hates tramps and doesn't want to be one.

Who knows. But again, that's all hoping against hope that, her appearently near tottal role reversal, is given some good reason by the plot and not just magiced up.

I'd rather she retain her original personality so that I could just ignore the stupid new character model.

EDIT: CGG's idea would make more sense and give an excuse for comedy.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 13 mai 2011 - 11:15 .

[Ship.wreck_]

kylecouch wrote...

Indeed...that plot assumes everyone cheats on Ashley...

Isn't the thing about ME plots that they give a little wiggle room for the plot to change based on your Shepard's decissions??? That would be one scenario, in the event that an individual did not stay with Ashley.

That was first off. Secondly: Sleeping with other people after you died two years ago and then managed to come back from the dead only to be told by your former lover (Ashley OR Liara) basically to go F#$% yourself is NOT by any definition cheating.

My original LI was Liara, and I wanted to stay with her in ME2, but after she blew me off for a plot of revenge against someone who did something to my dead body or something, rather than just letting it go and enjoying the fact that I'm back, I moved on... And railed Miranda like there was no tommorow. Which at the time seemed to be the case, and for her it turned out, actually was the case
               

That woman is sexy enough without all that crap...and I think she looks far less attractive with all the make up and the artifical physical enhancement.

Ash was decisively cute in ME, I have every intention of bonering her in my second playthrough. But I have to admit she would benefit from letting her hair down... and taking off her pants... or wearing something skin tight... you know, just around the house...

Modifié par Ship.wreck , 13 mai 2011 - 11:17 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

NKKKK wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

That would be the dumbest subplot ever.

Indeed. And in order to show how dumb it is, I've attempted to come up with a better subplot that explains that screenshot. Hopefully I have succeeded!

My idea is based on an article I read a long time ago, and a photo. I really wish I could find them. It was a picture of a bunch of congresspeople standing around, talking, but just showed their legs and shoes. All the women were wearing skirts and high heels. All the men were wearing dress pants and fairly comfortable-looking leather dress shoes. The point of the article was this: if you go into politics as a woman, you're expected to emphasize your femininity, even at the expense of practicality. It's the only way to get the establishment to accept you.

Ash's new look might make sense now that she's a Spectre, if she's being tarted up by the alliance media as a poster girl. She has to wear the makeup and the showy outfit now, and she hates it. But she's willing to buckle down and do it for humanity. Once she gets back on the ship she may relax a bit, but when she goes out in public, it's all about politics and public image, and she has to wear the makeup and the push-up bra.

That would make sense, be feminist, and also be somewhat tragic. I think it's a little too heavy for BIoware, but a lightened-up version might work.

But femshep never did that.

This is just extravagant bimbofication.

She didn't, no, but there wasn't really time. She died a few months after making Spectre, and Jacob does mention that they photoshopped Shepard's face out of posters after her death, replacing it with a composite. That always sounded suspicious to me, like they wanted someone who looked more "idealized" and my plainfaced, makeup-free Shepard didn't fit the bill.

And Ash isn't outright bimbofied. I don't like her new outfit either, or her makeup, but it's a plausible reason for them that doesn't diminish her as a character.

Ideally in my eyes, she's just wearing that outfit for the trial, and for media appearances. It's not her actual armor, which is just a girl-shaped version of Kaidan's big-boy-suit.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 mai 2011 - 11:16 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ash was decisively cute in ME, I have every intention of bonering her in my second playthrough. But I have to admit she would benefit from letting her hair down... and taking off her pants... or wearing something skin tight... you know, just around the house...

You are part of the problem.

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ash was decisively cute in ME, I have every intention of bonering her in my second playthrough. But I have to admit she would benefit from letting her hair down... and taking off her pants... or wearing something skin tight... you know, just around the house...

You are part of the problem.

Weren't we on the same side like two and a half posts ago? Hahaha!

I've said from the begining that I'm not opposed to her choosing to be a little more sexy, but that I want her to still look like the same Ashley unlike the pic.

[Ship.wreck_]

mrsph wrote...

bonering

what is this i don't even

HAHAHAHAHA! Mission accomplished.

You see when a man and a woman are in love they give each other a very special hug,

and then he gets a boner,

and then he boners her with it!

I've been waiting for someone to be appauled, took long enough...

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

I've said from the begining that I'm not opposed to her choosing to be a little more sexy, but that I want her to still look like the same Ashley unlike the pic.

Ashley was absurdly sexy long before ME3 rolled around.  I do not understand the rationale behind making her "more sexy," for that would make her "less Ashley" and therefore "less sexy."

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

What does it matter how a woman looks, so long as she is an interesting character?

[Shatterhand1701]

It really stuns me that people are freaking out over what could end up being just concept art using the game's engine. Even if it is in-game, we don't even know the context of why she's wearing that outfit!

We have Jack who's nearly naked; Kasumi, Tali, and Miranda in tight, form-fitting outfits, and even FemShep in armor that accentuates her breasts (unless you used the Aegis armor or whatever you chose as an alternative). The Asari certainly don't have any issue with their bodies. Other than maybe Miranda, they certainly don't strike me as being objectified, and I mention Miranda only because she specifically says her body was designed to "give her an edge".

So, with all that in mind, are people really getting their boxers in a bunch over one picture of Ashley that they don't even know the meaning of yet?!? Guys, really...come on, already.

[Shatterhand1701]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

What does it matter how a woman looks, so long as she is an interesting character?

A thousand times THIS.

Does the outfit make Ashley any less kick-ass than we know she is?  Does it change her in any way?  Unless she slinks into every cutscene giving Shepard a come-hither stare or uses flirtatious comments for every other line of dialogue, I don't think her fans have much to worry about.

This freak-out over a single picture of an outfit on Ashley is the biggest example of "much ado about nothing" I've seen in a long, long time.

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
ASHLEY IS NOT, NOR WILL SHE EVER BECOME, A SUBMISSIVE SL*T. 

First off how is that submissive? I didn't say she walks up to Shepard and says, "I'll do whatever you want just take me back!" And how is making a small effort to appear more attractive in any way shape or form "sl*ty". Should I not take showers now, because doing so makes me not smell, and not smelling is for sl*tty people, just like wearing hight heals, shaving your unibrow, showing a little cleavage, taking your shirt off at the beach, and wearing deodorant?

 IF SHE DOES, THAT IS VERY BAD WRITING AND A BETRAYAL OF HER CHARACTER.

No change is a betrayal of her character if there's a reason / explanation for it. She could come back and betray herself by becoming army barbie, betray shepard by willingly deffecting to the reaper side and betray the galaxy by trying to help destroy it. Bioware wouldn't be betraying her character as long as the changes were worked into the plot logically, and not just magically whoops, she's a bad guy now. She can betray herself and others as muc has she wants. And I expicitly stated that she would be betraying herself if she did this, and would probably regret it, and hopefully learn from the experience and grow from it. And just for the record this was never intended as a "I hpe the plot devolps as", it was just a made up on the spot thing to demonstrate that it's POSSIBLE for her character to evolve naturally through the plot of the story, and as long as that's the case, it's ok.

 I AM TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO YOU GET IT.  ALSO, I THINK MY SHIFT KEY IS STUck oh there we go.

That's freaking awesome.

No.  Ashley is a great character because she is absolutely blunt and 100% true to herself.  She doesn't try to impress anyone, nor hide who she is, ever.  Besides, she read poetry and wore pink armor--that was her girly outlet.  Listen to her dialogue--she ENJOYS being tough!

Good point, a big part of Ash has always been that she doesn't bs you. But then that doesn't mean she hasn't been hiding a slightly more girly demeanor down below, maybe even from herself as much as anyone else. We all pretend to be something we're not A LITTLE BIT.

...She wouldn't dress like a tramp because she hates tramps and doesn't want to be one.

Define term "tramp", "sl*t", "wh*re" etc...