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[Xeranx]

PMC65 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

My issue with some of the remarks in this thread is that Ashley putting make-up on is a sign of confidence or something and I find that wholly wrong.  I can't help it.  It's like this whole time you lived as you were and now that you're confident you're going to put on a different face?  I thought confidence was about owning up to who and what you are and not trying to adopt a new facade or persona since not having confidence in yourself would entail hiding, subterfuge, obfuscation, or misdirection.

That would apply if you think that Ash did not wear make up or find make-up evil. I always thought that Ash did wear make-up in her personal life but did not wear it while on duty. If she is a spectre then she will not feel the same restrictions that she would feel as an Alliance soldier.

Confidence can impact people in different ways ... Look at someone who has lost weight, someone who is headed out on a date with something that they really, really liked or a person who got that job promotion. Part of who we are is visible and as people change you can see that on the outside. 
Not sure how applying make-up equals "hiding, subterfuge, obfuscation, or misdirection". Damn that Max Factor!

It's the idea that now that you feel good about yourself you're going to put make-up on with the idea of 'accentuating' your features.  I'm of the mind that confidence shows through regardless of whether you put make-up on or not.  It's something I don't understand and strikes me as really odd.  As for my comment about hiding: I'm sure you've been on a supermarket line and seen photos of celebrities without make-up on and how drastically different they look.  I don't think it's as drastic as they presented it, but make-up does alter someone's look.

DeadLetterBox wrote...

I think the "attack" part is less about thinking it's more IC for Ash to wear heavy armor and more about all the people going "I cant recognize her under all that makeup OMG she looks like a tramp who blew her bewbs up like baloons."

I agree about the armor. Ash needs something sturdy in combat. Saying she looks like a tramp because of the eyeliner and lip gloss is something that irritates me immensely, mostly because usually when I hear guys going on about how their girlfriends should never wear makeup because it makes them look like w**res I find out later they were knocking the girl around the house when nobody else was around.

That doesn't look like just eyeliner and lip gloss to me.  I thought she got that in the ME and ME2.  The current picture looks like she went with more than the first two.  I didn't even know that was Ashley until I saw someone mention that it was her.  She looks that different to me.

ExtremeOne wrote...

wow people are pissed because Ashley looks like a woman in ME 3 . I find you cry babies over this to be stupid

You are definitely part of the problem.  I'm not of the mindset that a woman is more feminine when she wears make-up or after she gets implants.  All that is unnecessary barring medical reasons.

[alienatedflea]

lol damn female gamers are usually fat therefore they want something that looks something like them that is why they are pissed about the new revamped design of ashley...haters are gonna hate, people! remember that

[crimzontearz]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
if you played ME1 how exactly can you say that outfit is in synch with her character? Wait, do you even care about it? because if you do not there is no point in this

I must say that I'm totally fine with the new outfit. I only just hope it's not what wears all the time and where ever she is (ala Miranda).

Ashley is one of my number one characters and is the character I have romanced across 98% of my ME1 runs. I know exactly who she is and what I like about her; she's not the kind of person who would go out on the battlefield with that kind of outfit.

if that was just her "casual wear" uniform I'd be ok with it but looking at the recent track record (ME2, DA2) how likely do you think it is.

[jonesy1186]

I cannot believe that this argument is still going on in several different threads. I mean its so ridiculous to have a ton of threads about one small feature. This is becoming truly sad that ninety-five percent of people on these forums are complaining about one character's adjustment. When I first saw her pic in GI I was like "Wow, Bioware's graphics are getting really good! Women look more like real women." I was not upset nor angry about it, and in fact I didn't think anything of it until a ton of sad people started bashing it with some sort of misguided vengeance. IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL!!! Ashley looks fine! LEAVE IT ALONE!!! If you don't like it and it ruins the WHOLE series for you then DON'T buy it and STOP coming on to the forum and complaining about it!!

[TobiTobsen]

alienatedflea wrote...

lol damn female gamers are usually fat therefore they want something that looks something like them that is why they are pissed about the new revamped design of ashley...haters are gonna hate, people! remember that

[M3cHr3p71l]

jonesy1186 wrote...

I cannot believe that this argument is still going on in several different threads. I mean its so ridiculous to have a ton of threads about one small feature. This is becoming truly sad that ninety-five percent of people on these forums are complaining about one character's adjustment. When I first saw her pic in GI I was like "Wow, Bioware's graphics are getting really good! Women look more like real women." I was not upset nor angry about it, and in fact I didn't think anything of it until a ton of sad people started bashing it with some sort of misguided vengeance. IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL!!! Ashley looks fine! LEAVE IT ALONE!!! If you don't like it and it ruins the WHOLE series for you then DON'T buy it and STOP coming on to the forum and complaining about it!!

Amm, women to be really women needs the Miri's body. Ummm, and then men to be reallly men, what does he need?. I think here the stereotype reeks...

[Antivenger]

I for one thought she looked beautiful in ME1. It's inevitable that she's going to get a make over for the next game, so I'm fine with this look as long as she stays true to her character (Besides character development during those two-three years apart, of course. I'd be worried if she weren't affected by recent events). She does look rather nice.

I don't doubt and even encourage an AAP, though! Maybe streamlined N7 armour or a heavy combat suit. A cruel marketing technique but hey, the devs need to eat (lobster and caviar) too!

[Zkyire]

People truly will complain about anything, wont they?

[theelementslayer]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

People truly will complain about anything, wont they?

Its what keeps the world spinning:happy:

Elite Midget wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Meh, be pessimistic. its their game, I dont think the hair or makeup is bad at all. However the ME team I think has learned lessons from the fans, they gave Miri a combat suit in a DLC pack. They probably arent going to repeat the same mistake again. Itll probably be her casual attire. And if not meh, its a game, im not gonna be all up in arms if one of the characters suits is unrealistic. Want to know something else unrealistic. Element Zero. THere I said it 

So I'm being pessimistic after I just listed their two latest games that did the exact thing people like you said wouldn't happen and that we should just wait and hope Bioware gets the hint? That's sad.

If we don't make ourselfs heard early enough than it will change nothing. That's why we must continue making it known to Bioware that not all their fans are sex-deprived idiots and we wont stand for this Character Assassination in their attempt to sell sex.

Ummmm, ME team and DA team are different. They have no corelation to each other. Its like sayin FO and Brink will be the same since they are both made by bethesda. And if you played any of the DLC you would know that they are listening. Alot of TLOTSB was taken from fan advice. Also liaras suit wasnt even close to oversexualized. The ME team is listening ot the fans, bigger maps, vehicles, non sexualized suit (Again see miri and the DLC armour). Just because they tried something new for ME2 does not mean itll be in ME3. 

Also Ill say it again, its their game, we dont have to play it, if you dont want to play it dont.

[corporal doody]

in regards to original post/topic question...NO it aint fair. it is just one pic!! for all we know that is the body suit she wears under her armor. to stop chafing? extra eva protection? dunno yet...cant form a solid opinion based off of one picture...concept art.

[Elite Midget]

theelementslayer wrote...

Ummmm, ME team and DA team are different. They have no corelation to each other. Its like sayin FO and Brink will be the same since they are both made by bethesda. And if you played any of the DLC you would know that they are listening. Alot of TLOTSB was taken from fan advice. Also liaras suit wasnt even close to oversexualized. The ME team is listening ot the fans, bigger maps, vehicles, non sexualized suit (Again see miri and the DLC armour). Just because they tried something new for ME2 does not mean itll be in ME3. 

Also Ill say it again, its their game, we dont have to play it, if you dont want to play it dont.

Way to dodge what I said and than make an irrelevant post that added nothing to the conversation.

DA2 may be a different team but ME2 isn't. No, they aren't listening because if they did than VS would have gotten a DLC as well.

So basically you support them making her wear a catsuit into battle and if you want to get that fix? You pay EXTRA to get some armor on her just like Miranda? Really? This is why Bioware can get away with things like that. Fans like you let them.

You let them with ME2 and you let them with DA2. Why should Bioware change when you and your elk keep hopeing and telling others not to make this valid outcry known?

[Jonathan Shepard]

kylecouch wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

I don't see the complaints as legitimate. People have been complaining about breast size and her letting her hair down, but hair shouldn't even be an issue. That's a stylistic choice that has very little impact on the actual character.
As for bust? Well, in the picture, you can't even see more than an inch or two below her shoulder, and people are assuming that of course, since the suit looks less armor-like and more Liara's scientist/battlesuit-like from LotSB, Ashley MUST have bigger... tracts of land... than before.

But then, that's also ridiculous. We never saw her actual cup size, and even in military uniform, she had the same female body every other human NPC did. And that armor was restrictive, so you can't claim that the smaller-looking breast size wasn't caused by the armor strapping them down like a sports bra would. Which, y'know, it would logistically.

We don't even know if that's her casual wear or armor yet, so I honestly think the "attacks" are unjustified at this point.

Really...few inches below the shoulder?



Thats more then a few inches buddy...and thats about a 3 cup size difference...aside from that the complaint is they've "Mirandafied" her with the lolspandex and the shoddy make-up job...which they clearly have. Hair is not an issue as no one is really complaining about that...it's the blatent Miranda treatment shes getting thats the problem. And last I checked...armor don't have a skin-tight zipper.

Dude, never saw that image. I just saw the one with the caption in GI that cut off below her shoulders. Even so, I claim the armor clamped her down. It's how it'll make sense in my Shep's universe.

[Elite Midget]

Yet Fem and Male Shepard are FORCED to wear armor.

[theelementslayer]

Elite Midget wrote...

Way to dodge what I said and than make an irrelevant post that added nothing to the conversation.

DA2 may be a different team but ME2 isn't. No, they aren't listening because if they did than VS would have gotten a DLC as well.

So basically you support them making her wear a catsuit into battle and if you want to get that fix? You pay EXTRA to get some armor on her just like Miranda? Really? This is why Bioware can get away with things like that. Fans like you let them.

You let them with ME2 and you let them with DA2. Why should Bioware change when you and your elk keep hopeing and telling others not to make this valid outcry known?

How was it irrelavent, you said they didnt listen to their fans, I gave you two examples of them listening to the fans. The reason they didnt make a VS DLC is a mystery, yes, I cannot answer that. But they did listen to the fans. Here are some more examples.

Wanted different ways to go about a mission, stealth or shoot. Arrival did this, poorly, but they tried. The wanted shepard to have her own feelings, LOTSB did this, very well I might add. They wanted vehicles added, again guess what. Firewalker, Operation Overlord, and LoTSB did this. More open environments, Overlord, better scenic views, LoTSB. I could keep going on and on. 

As for supporting her getting a catsuit. Meh. I don't, id rather have her have armour In battle but I see no reason to believe she is wearing this in battle just because they did it before (and people didnt like it). They wont repeat the same mistake twice over. As for Ash being over sexualized, nah, she just looks more like a woman and less like a man now. OH NO MAKEUP.

[Seboist]

Shepard is clearly a sissy afraid of receiving some pain. S/he needs to ditch that armor and have bullets deflect off of him like Jack does with her tattoed flesh or Samara with her massive cleavage.

[theelementslayer]

Seboist wrote...

Shepard is clearly a sissy afraid of receiving some pain. S/he needs to ditch that armor and have bullets deflect off of him like Jack does with her tattoed flesh or Samara with her massive cleavage.

In the lore, I always assumed jack and samara didnt need armour because they had biotic barriers, and they didnt need a heavy suit of armour to produce a shield for them. Also if you look under the stats once their barrier is gone they have very little health.

[crimzontearz]

theelementslayer wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Shepard is clearly a sissy afraid of receiving some pain. S/he needs to ditch that armor and have bullets deflect off of him like Jack does with her tattoed flesh or Samara with her massive cleavage.

In the lore, I always assumed jack and samara didnt need armour because they had biotic barriers, and they didnt need a heavy suit of armour to produce a shield for them. Also if you look under the stats once their barrier is gone they have very little health.

yeah and according to the lore bullets can slip past shields and barriers

according to the lore if their shields drop a single shot would pulverize their bones

According to the lore biotic barriers do not protect from radiations or hazardous condition especially vacuum




and so on and so forth

[Elite Midget]

theelementslayer wrote...
How was it irrelavent, you said they didnt listen to their fans, I gave you two examples of them listening to the fans. The reason they didnt make a VS DLC is a mystery, yes, I cannot answer that. But they did listen to the fans. Here are some more examples.

Wanted different ways to go about a mission, stealth or shoot. Arrival did this, poorly, but they tried. The wanted shepard to have her own feelings, LOTSB did this, very well I might add. They wanted vehicles added, again guess what. Firewalker, Operation Overlord, and LoTSB did this. More open environments, Overlord, better scenic views, LoTSB. I could keep going on and on. 

As for supporting her getting a catsuit. Meh. I don't, id rather have her have armour In battle but I see no reason to believe she is wearing this in battle just because they did it before (and people didnt like it). They wont repeat the same mistake twice over. As for Ash being over sexualized, nah, she just looks more like a woman and less like a man now. OH NO MAKEUP.

It was irrelevant because you ignored my example of Isabella and Miranda for DA2 and ME2. Hell, you didn't even mention the ME2 example and just went with brushing DA2 one off because it was a convient out.

That you had to pay for. Bioware has no reason to add those into the base game when they can just charge you later for it with via DLC. That's why Fans have to make their outcries known as soon as the leaks start so that there's a chance that Bioware will listen and change the problem.

So that isn't Liara wearing her non-combat armor in combat in that GI screenshot? Oh wait, it is! So why would they give Ashley a catsuit on the ship and armor in combat if they can't even do that to Liara who had armmor in the PS3 version of ME2.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 14 mai 2011 - 04:40 .

[The Spamming Troll]

ashley was a hot brunette in ME1 and now shes a hot brunette in ME3. thats ALL i see here, so whats the fuss, really?

[Elite Midget]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ashley was a hot brunette in ME1 and now shes a hot brunette in ME3. thats ALL i see here, so whats the fuss, really?

This is the type of Fans Bioware is pandering too. The ones that only think with whats in their pants.

[crimzontearz]

uh...actually Liara is wearing the LOTSB armor in the GI screenshot. That is actually armor with plates and everything

[Zeevico]

I'll add my two cents: this is oversexualised silliness adds nothing to any game.

[Rykimaruh]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
 
There was a good reason for the way she looked in ME1.


Realism and believability are important factors. When anything can happen, it's hard to care what does. The best fantasy/sci-fi stories are invariably the ones that have firm grounding in realism (ironically), because this makes it easier to swallow the unrealistic aspects--they're provided a seamless basis to "meld" with the realism.

ME1 leaned more toward "realistic sci-fi" than anything, the only major "out there" thing being the asari (they just seem so bloody implausible next to every other alien race out there). ME2 dipped a lot more gratuitously into the surrealism pot in a few questionable ways. The lack of space helmets being one. You can't survive in vaccuum like that and different planets have different air pressure you need to contend with--a breather mask is not enough.

So you would actually argue about how there might be Reapers out here? or how there is a chance that we "might" actually encounter some high advance technology that would jump us 200 years forward? or how biotics originated from dark energy and so on? I admit, yes Bioware did a great job at making the game as real as possible, but don't blind yourself with trying to look for any clues of realism as this is a game first and a story, focused on being real as possbible, second.

I doubt Bioware had intentions making Ashley look like that in ME1, remember there was an article (Game Informer back then. Please don't ask me to show you since I remembered something from 5 years ago) talking about how they use real-time facial expressions from real people and implement them into the game. Though they succeeded, it was far from "best" as some would describe it. By all means if you want to beleive that Ashley should look more manly, be my guest but I for one I'm happy they made her more feminine. 

Now i'm not goin to argue about how people should play the game. I know some will play for it's realism and novel-like style (action-drama) and others just for the sheer fun of it. To each it's own, right?

[Xeranx]

Rykimaruh wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
 
There was a good reason for the way she looked in ME1.


Realism and believability are important factors. When anything can happen, it's hard to care what does. The best fantasy/sci-fi stories are invariably the ones that have firm grounding in realism (ironically), because this makes it easier to swallow the unrealistic aspects--they're provided a seamless basis to "meld" with the realism.

ME1 leaned more toward "realistic sci-fi" than anything, the only major "out there" thing being the asari (they just seem so bloody implausible next to every other alien race out there). ME2 dipped a lot more gratuitously into the surrealism pot in a few questionable ways. The lack of space helmets being one. You can't survive in vaccuum like that and different planets have different air pressure you need to contend with--a breather mask is not enough.

So you would actually argue about how there might be Reapers out here? or how there is a chance that we "might" actually encounter some high advance technology that would jump us 200 years forward? or how biotics originated from dark energy and so on? I admit, yes Bioware did a great job at making the game as real as possible, but don't blind yourself with trying to look for any clues of realism as this is a game first and a story, focused on being real as possbible, second.

I doubt Bioware had intentions making Ashley look like that in ME1, remember there was an article (Game Informer back then. Please don't ask me to show you since I remembered something from 5 years ago) talking about how they use real-time facial expressions from real people and implement them into the game. Though they succeeded, it was far from "best" as some would describe it. By all means if you want to beleive that Ashley should look more manly, be my guest but I for one I'm happy they made her more feminine. 

Now i'm not goin to argue about how people should play the game. I know some will play for it's realism and novel-like style (action-drama) and others just for the sheer fun of it. To each it's own, right?

Exactly how is it that Ashley "looked more manly" in the first game?  Or the second?

Modifié par Xeranx, 14 mai 2011 - 05:14 .