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[Elite Midget]

theelementslayer wrote...
But I cant, its ruined her character forever. The world is changed forever. Nothing will ever be the same.

On a serious note though. I agree but I dont think people will as you say take a chill pill. They like to pick apart everything, thats how these forums are. I persoanlly dont dislike her new look. I didnt dislike her old look. And Ill buy the game, and not complain about it either way. BioWare hasnt let me down yet

So I'm guessing you haven't played DA2 than? If you had and weren't let down than you have bad taste and very low standards.

[Halo Quea]

Elite Midget wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
But I cant, its ruined her character forever. The world is changed forever. Nothing will ever be the same.

On a serious note though. I agree but I dont think people will as you say take a chill pill. They like to pick apart everything, thats how these forums are. I persoanlly dont dislike her new look. I didnt dislike her old look. And Ill buy the game, and not complain about it either way. BioWare hasnt let me down yet

So I'm guessing you haven't played DA2 than? If you had and weren't let down than you have bad taste and very low standards.

I know the last thing this discussion needs is more fuel, but I have to agree with this.  There is no way anyone could have played DA2 and not feel let down unless they have some incredibly low standards as a gamer. 

[Nashiktal]

Halo Quea wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
But I cant, its ruined her character forever. The world is changed forever. Nothing will ever be the same.

On a serious note though. I agree but I dont think people will as you say take a chill pill. They like to pick apart everything, thats how these forums are. I persoanlly dont dislike her new look. I didnt dislike her old look. And Ill buy the game, and not complain about it either way. BioWare hasnt let me down yet

So I'm guessing you haven't played DA2 than? If you had and weren't let down than you have bad taste and very low standards.

I know the last thing this discussion needs is more fuel, but I have to agree with this.  There is no way anyone could have played DA2 and not feel let down unless they have some incredibly low standards as a gamer. 

What you can't enjoy DA2? How increadibly boorish of you. 

I kid I kid. However for all of its failings I still had fun playing DA2.

[Iakus]

wizardryforever wrote...

It seems that there are five opinions on this subject.  There are Ashley fans who like the change (Ashley growing as a character), there are Ashley fans who hate the change (they see it as character derailment), there's Ashley haters who like the new look (they think she's hotter), there's Ashley haters who now hate Ashley even more, and finally there's the vast majority of people who have no strong feelings toward Ashley or her choice of clothing.

Ashley's character is not being derailed, and it is incredibly premature to say such from one picture that may just be concept art.  If you don't like the change, that's fine, but don't claim that she's ruined forever because she changed her look (something that women in any universe do all the time).  If it ruins your perceptions of Ashley's character then I think that's a case of seeing what you're afraid of (or want to see).  It's a simple (not very revealing by videogame standards) top/outfit and a hair change.  There is no way to prove that her boobs are bigger, and until that proof comes, you won't convince me on that subject. 

Everyone needs to take a chill pill, if you'll pardon my lame 90's slang.

So let me get this straight, everyone who didn't choose option #5 is somehow wrong and overly hysterical?  We're not allowed to be concerned that a character is somehow being rewritten into something other than her ME1 character? 

Imagine if it was a pic of Jack with shoulder length hair and a business suit.  Thane in heavy armor and a shotgun.  Wrex in a lab coat.  Garrus dual-wielding pistols (Oh, wait...) With no explanation.  Yeah those would be worthy "wtf" moments too.  Particularly when there is every possibility that characters do not get multiple outfits.

If the pic had Ash wearing a female version of Kaidan's armor, I'd be breathing a sigh of relief (hey Kaidan's the other VS, their wearing the same armor would only make sense; they're counterparts)

If Ash was wearing Phoenix armor and was wearing a bun, I would take no notice of it, because up til now, that was her look.  Ugly armor, yes, but still armor.

But now her appearance has been radically altered with no explanation as to why, if it's a "fixed" look or if it can be altered, or what other changes might have been made to the character.

Personally, Ash is my favorite character of the entire series.  Horizon was the single most depressing moment of the trilogy thus far.  The idea that Ash is no longer "Ash" worries me.

[DTKT]

I'll wait till we have an actual in-game screenshot. That was possibly a render shot with very poor lighting.

[Elite Midget]

The lighting isn't going to magically change that catsuit into armor.

[Iakus]

Nyoka wrote...

I wonder why nobody is angry about Kaidan wearing heavy big ass armor. He's still a sentinel right? Besides, it's been confirmed that the VS will be a spectre. if Ashley's new look is her 'spectre look', as opposed to her previous 'Alliance infantry look', then Kaidan-being a spectre as well-should wear something similar.

All this is baseless speculation (hey this is the internet after all) but I get the feeling that the new design had as its objective not to reflect her new professional status as a spectre but simply to 'stylize' Ashley just because she's a woman, 'stylizing' meaning of course leaning toward your typical 'hawt chick' or "Bond girl' image.

I personally think Kaidan's armor looks incredible.  Yes, heavier than a sentinel should have, gameplay-wise.  But I think it makes for a great "human Spectre" look.  It's my belief that Ash should have a similar look.  But no, her look makes it questionable that she's wearig armor at all.

Shepard wears armor
Nihlus wore armor
Saren wore armor
Tela Vasir wore armor
Kaidan wears armor
Ash gets a jumpsuit./possible catsuit

One of these things is not like the other...

[Halo Quea]

DTKT wrote...

I'll wait till we have an actual in-game screenshot. That was possibly a render shot with very poor lighting.

Uh huh.  That's sort of what was said when we first saw early pics of Isabella's new Dead or Alive boobs and ass revealing pirate dress.

And then after people realized that  it was an actual screen image they were looking at...........................

[Ship.wreck_]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Define term: "sl*t", "wh*re", "tramp" etc...

Cause I'm seeing those getting thrown around alot, not sure what they mean...

They mean "I'm a stickler for gender roles and traditions and can't make a point without bringing it up," mostly.

Hahaha, that's probably a good answer. I get the feeling though that you weren't one of the people throwing it around: what do they think it means?

PMC65 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Anyone that won't date me!

[EDI: That was a joke.]

+1 internets to you . Though I guess taht makes every girl one to me. Uh oh I might have a problem.

ROTFL

By the way, love Ladyhawke!!!!!!

That last half of that confused me. But I'm feeling inclined to agree... that's probably a very bad thing...

[Destroy Raiden_]

Her blue uniform isn't revealing compare that to Samara or Jack....I think it suits her and as far as her chest size goes I didn't pay attention in ME but she looks proportionate compared to Laura Croft from the first Tomb Raider games that girls gone through several breast reductions!

I've never heard them fuss over her clothing. I'm just trying to gauge the context of why her hair is down if she's going to do that on ship fine it's good for her to be so casual. But it doesn't suit Ash from ME to let it stay down in battle I would hope she'd pull it back for combat missions. The other issue is if she is a spector then hair do isn't necessarily part of the uniform but it yet again doesn't suit the militaristic Ash I knew.

If she's still in the Alliance again doesn't make sense. If that's Ash's new hair do for ME3 regardless of battle I hope they let her explain why she's letting herself go like that.

Her being a civilian or civilian contractor for the Alliance however does make sense if she is one of these I can definitely see why her hair would be down sense she's distancing herself from military life.

[DTKT]

Halo Quea wrote...

DTKT wrote...

I'll wait till we have an actual in-game screenshot. That was possibly a render shot with very poor lighting.

Uh huh.  That's sort of what was said when we first saw early pics of Isabella's new Dead or Alive boobs and ass revealing pirate dress.

And then after people realized that  it was an actual screen image they were looking at...........................

I dont believe that was quite the same thing. I dont care much for the flowing hair but the actual modeling looks quite "bare".

Either way, let's freak out.

[theelementslayer]

Elite Midget wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
But I cant, its ruined her character forever. The world is changed forever. Nothing will ever be the same.

On a serious note though. I agree but I dont think people will as you say take a chill pill. They like to pick apart everything, thats how these forums are. I persoanlly dont dislike her new look. I didnt dislike her old look. And Ill buy the game, and not complain about it either way. BioWare hasnt let me down yet

So I'm guessing you haven't played DA2 than? If you had and weren't let down than you have bad taste and very low standards.

Last time I checked taste was a subjective thing. Hmm guess Im really stupid and cant even know that. Well then. You win. Oh and also, check under my name before you say what games I have an have not played. I think there is a handy little icon that shows DA. I can also screenshot my steam games list, both are installed, and also you can see how much I played on them. Ahh the wonders of modern tech. 

Was I let down by DA, nah not really. I liked the story ( I like character driven stories that arent all OMG THE WORLD WILL END. I liked the smaller scale. The map recyling. Meh it annoyed me a bit but whatevs. The combat. mmmmm smooth like a babys bottom, or my gf's skin. 

However that means nothing. But please, dont tell me what I do and do not like. Or tell me that my standards are low or in bad taste. Thats quite rude.

Have a good time speculating with the rest of ME's ashley. All I can say is Im out. This argument is very very circular.

[Ship.wreck_]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Her blue uniform isn't revealing compare that to Samara or Jack....I think it suits her and as far as her chest size goes I didn't pay attention in ME but she looks proportionate compared to Laura Croft from the first Tomb Raider games that girls gone through several breast reductions!

I've never heard them fuss over her clothing. I'm just trying to gauge the context of why her hair is down if she's going to do that on ship fine it's good for her to be so casual. But it doesn't suit Ash from ME to let it stay down in battle I would hope she'd pull it back for combat missions. The other issue is if she is a spector then hair do isn't necessarily part of the uniform but it yet again doesn't suit the militaristic Ash I knew.

If she's still in the Alliance again doesn't make sense. If that's Ash's new hair do for ME3 regardless of battle I hope they let her explain why she's letting herself go like that.

Her being a civilian or civilian contractor for the Alliance however does make sense if she is one of these I can definitely see why her hair would be down sense she's distancing herself from military life.

Good points. But military, specter, alliance or civilian; it doesn't suit anybody to fight with a bunch of hair swinging around in their faces. I would prefer if she let it down every once in a while onboard though.

Also thought of something else: Was just playing ME right now (spent 90% of the time dealing with the inventory :| Someday I'll have everything I want and need and can just ignore/omnigel everything else), But it reminded me of how much I liked their shipboard Navy uniforms: blue camoflage working uniforms. Way cool and very Navy traditional look. I didn't like the spandex looking cerberus uniforms, or that all the squad members didn't wear any uniform and all wore goofy stuff into combat instead of a hardsuit like you'd think any warfighter would.

Anyway, I'd really like it if they went back to a more practical realistic uniform like that in ME3. As for spicing the game up with a little more sexy, they could throw in some random encounters in locker rooms, state rooms, showers etc. where it would make sense for a little more skin to show.

I think that would maintain the "cool" realistic military atmosphere of the ship and still allow for enhanced sexiness. Also the feemales could I don't know, accidently leave a couple buttons undune on their uniforms... males and females could perhaps "relax" their uniforms and have form fiting, under-armor like, under shirts that would show all the contours people want to see...

Anyway, that would be cool, provide all the necessary sexy (and then some) but without making a warship look like a stripjoint... ok that's a bit extreme (like nachos!), but you know what I mean: without it looking like everyone is just walking around wearing whatever the f they want.

Modifié par Ship.wreck , 15 mai 2011 - 02:53 .

[Elite Midget]

theelementslayer wrote...
Last time I checked taste was a subjective thing. Hmm guess Im really stupid and cant even know that. Well then. You win. Oh and also, check under my name before you say what games I have an have not played. I think there is a handy little icon that shows DA. I can also screenshot my steam games list, both are installed, and also you can see how much I played on them. Ahh the wonders of modern tech. 

Was I let down by DA, nah not really. I liked the story ( I like character driven stories that arent all OMG THE WORLD WILL END. I liked the smaller scale. The map recyling. Meh it annoyed me a bit but whatevs. The combat. mmmmm smooth like a babys bottom, or my gf's skin. 

However that means nothing. But please, dont tell me what I do and do not like. Or tell me that my standards are low or in bad taste. Thats quite rude.

Have a good time speculating with the rest of ME's ashley. All I can say is Im out. This argument is very very circular.

i only say what's obvious. If you consider a game like DA2 as Bioware Quality than you have bad taste and it shows how far many fans have gone when they used to demand greatness.

You're out, than good. Your ignorance wont be missed.

[Il Divo]

Elite Midget wrote...

i only say what's obvious. If you consider a game like DA2 as Bioware Quality than you have bad taste and it shows how far many fans have gone when they used to demand greatness.

You're out, than good. Your ignorance wont be missed.

Well, you do love to troll, don't you?

It's called subjectivity. In other words, people have different opinions. I know it's shocking (yet again, to a moron). But then, it doesn't fall to you to decide what Bioware games are objective masterpieces. You don't even know by what criteria the posters may choose to evalute Dragon Age 2.

Modifié par Il Divo, 15 mai 2011 - 03:09 .

[Shadowrun1177]

Elite Midget wrote...

i only say what's obvious. If you consider a game like DA2 as Bioware Quality than you have bad taste and it shows how far many fans have gone when they used to demand greatness.

You're out, than good. Your ignorance wont be missed.

Your comments are your opinion not fact, and saying someone is ignorant cause they don't agree with you is uncalled for.  If someone liked DA2 that's their choice on what they enjoy, that doesn't make it bad taste just different then yours.

[Halo Quea]

Elite Midget wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
Last time I checked taste was a subjective thing. Hmm guess Im really stupid and cant even know that. Well then. You win. Oh and also, check under my name before you say what games I have an have not played. I think there is a handy little icon that shows DA. I can also screenshot my steam games list, both are installed, and also you can see how much I played on them. Ahh the wonders of modern tech. 

Was I let down by DA, nah not really. I liked the story ( I like character driven stories that arent all OMG THE WORLD WILL END. I liked the smaller scale. The map recyling. Meh it annoyed me a bit but whatevs. The combat. mmmmm smooth like a babys bottom, or my gf's skin. 

However that means nothing. But please, dont tell me what I do and do not like. Or tell me that my standards are low or in bad taste. Thats quite rude.

Have a good time speculating with the rest of ME's ashley. All I can say is Im out. This argument is very very circular.

i only say what's obvious. If you consider a game like DA2 as Bioware Quality than you have bad taste and it shows how far many fans have gone when they used to demand greatness.

We didn't have to demand greatness, it was GIVEN.  And after so many years of being spoiled by it, we just expected it.   

What's that you say, Bioware is releasing a new game?   Pre-ordered and Day #1 purchase for me!  Not a second thought given.

But Bioware is now embracing sex-driven character design, misleading marketing, and pre-order/day one content gimmicks.  I don't think I cared for a single one of the ME2 pre-order armors.   I've seen better mods than what Bioware's character designers cooked up.   But this goes back to another argument.  If we had the element of squad armor customization returned to us, simply put, this disscussion would not exist.  

[Xeranx]

iakus wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

It seems that there are five opinions on this subject.  There are Ashley fans who like the change (Ashley growing as a character), there are Ashley fans who hate the change (they see it as character derailment), there's Ashley haters who like the new look (they think she's hotter), there's Ashley haters who now hate Ashley even more, and finally there's the vast majority of people who have no strong feelings toward Ashley or her choice of clothing.

Ashley's character is not being derailed, and it is incredibly premature to say such from one picture that may just be concept art.  If you don't like the change, that's fine, but don't claim that she's ruined forever because she changed her look (something that women in any universe do all the time).  If it ruins your perceptions of Ashley's character then I think that's a case of seeing what you're afraid of (or want to see).  It's a simple (not very revealing by videogame standards) top/outfit and a hair change.  There is no way to prove that her boobs are bigger, and until that proof comes, you won't convince me on that subject. 

Everyone needs to take a chill pill, if you'll pardon my lame 90's slang.

So let me get this straight, everyone who didn't choose option #5 is somehow wrong and overly hysterical?  We're not allowed to be concerned that a character is somehow being rewritten into something other than her ME1 character? 

Imagine if it was a pic of Jack with shoulder length hair and a business suit.  Thane in heavy armor and a shotgun.  Wrex in a lab coat.  Garrus dual-wielding pistols (Oh, wait...) With no explanation.  Yeah those would be worthy "wtf" moments too.  Particularly when there is every possibility that characters do not get multiple outfits.

If the pic had Ash wearing a female version of Kaidan's armor, I'd be breathing a sigh of relief (hey Kaidan's the other VS, their wearing the same armor would only make sense; they're counterparts)

If Ash was wearing Phoenix armor and was wearing a bun, I would take no notice of it, because up til now, that was her look.  Ugly armor, yes, but still armor.

But now her appearance has been radically altered with no explanation as to why, if it's a "fixed" look or if it can be altered, or what other changes might have been made to the character.

Personally, Ash is my favorite character of the entire series.  Horizon was the single most depressing moment of the trilogy thus far.  The idea that Ash is no longer "Ash" worries me.

Of course we're hysterical.  We're viewing Ashley through rose-colored glasses afterall. 

[Elite Midget]

Il Divo wrote...

Well, you do love to troll, don't you?

It's called subjectivity. In other words, people have different opinions. I know it's shocking (yet again, to a moron). But then, it doesn't fall to you to decide what Bioware games are objective masterpieces. You don't even know by what criteria the posters may choose to evalute Dragon Age 2.

You're one to talk. Stop pretending you're a saint when your hands are more bloody than my own.

[Elite Midget]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Your comments are your opinion not fact, and saying someone is ignorant cause they don't agree with you is uncalled for.  If someone liked DA2 that's their choice on what they enjoy, that doesn't make it bad taste just different then yours.

It doesn't need be a fact when I'm right. DA2 was a disapointment. It's sales, reviews, and the outcry on these forums is clear as day that it was a bad game. It doesn't deserve to bear the Bioware title since it isn't anywhere near as good as a real Bioware title. Any Bioware Fan with half a brain can tell you this after all it's bltantly obvious and in your face,

So yes. It is bad taste. Any Gamers that believe DA2 is as good as DA:O or ME2 has bad taste when they except things from Bioware.

[Xeranx]

lightsnow13 wrote...

She is also suppose to be a tom-boyish character. No...shes all glamorous now. -- Also...something is off w/ her eyes. I don't know what it is but she just looks like a totally different character. It's kind of sad. Kaidan looks like he has aged w/ some slight gray hair -- overall awesome. But ash...god I can just pray that that is not what she will look like

Thank you.  Above all else that's what I was trying to get at.  She doesn't look the same.  In another thread I put up the GI pic and links to pics in Ashley's fan group.  Ashley looks as though she had a turn in ME2's character creator and later had a bit of a texmod touch up to make the lines (notice the crease around her nose and mouth) softer.

[Elite Midget]

Halo Quea wrote...

We didn't have to demand greatness, it was GIVEN.  And after so many years of being spoiled by it, we just expected it.   

What's that you say, Bioware is releasing a new game?   Pre-ordered and Day #1 purchase for me!  Not a second thought given.

But Bioware is now embracing sex-driven character design, misleading marketing, and pre-order/day one content gimmicks.  I don't think I cared for a single one of the ME2 pre-order armors.   I've seen better mods than what Bioware's character designers cooked up.   But this goes back to another argument.  If we had the element of squad armor customization returned to us, simply put, this disscussion would not exist.  

Of course they are. We have so many fools in this Topic alone that support these changes, that were never asked for by the fanbase, and telling those that actually care to shut up and deal with it. Well, news for them.

Tali and Garrus fans didn't shut up and deal with it. They made their claims known and Bioware has been pandering to them ever since because their claims, at that time, were VERY valid.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 15 mai 2011 - 03:42 .