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[Nashiktal]

aftohsix wrote...

I wish they made a really obese female squadmate with bad acne and an overbite. Right guys? I hate boobs. They make me feel weird. In my pants.

Problem is two of those wouldn't fit the setting. Overbite fixed in utero, acne fixed by a variety of medicines that actually work. Obesity might fit, but that would be hit hard by the need to create an entirely new model.

[Nathan Redgrave]

aftohsix wrote...

I wish they made a really obese female squadmate with bad acne and an overbite. Right guys? I hate boobs. They make me feel weird. In my pants.

This is what intellectuals would call a "strawman argument." As I'm hardly intellectual, I'm just going to say "STFU n00b" and leave it at that, but I do suggest considering the meaning of "strawman" as well, it's probably a more constructive response than mine.

[CajNatalie]

Ash is supposed to be a hardcore soldier trained to wear the heaviest armors around.
That outfit would only therefore make sense as a casual suit... if Bioware is sending her to battle in that tight little thing, then someone needs a smack upside the nose and a kick in the teeth.

I'll reserve my outrage for when Bioware confirms what's going on. *shrugs*

[TheRevanchist]

DxWill10 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

DxWill10 wrote...

What problem? Bioware made her look more attractive instead of keeping her less attractive.. I'm simply commenting on that change. If you think Bioware is the problem, then stop buying their games. Problem solved

No that "change" as you call it is an opinion...and one that many disagree with.

Opinion?  Ashley's appearance is being improved in ME3.  Whether you diagree with it or not doesn't prevent it from happening.  I understand why you disagree, but there are also people who approve her new representation. I am looking forward to her updated appearance because it will add depth to her character, not because I'm a testosterone-raging, hormonal-packed male.  Even Jacob had more character development than she did, and her appearance in ME3 will go a long way to adding substance to her character. 

The fact you say it's an "improvement" is an opinion...whether you disagree with it or not doesn't prevent that from being truth. Oh yes...more depth...despite the fact shes openly states in the first game she would never be caught dead wearing an outfit of that sort...sure she likes poetry...that dont mean she suddenly wants to dress herself up. I swear you people act like that EVERYTHING they do is to "add depth" to a character. Yea...having Isabella walk around with like triple D cups, no bra, a thong, and no pants adds more depth to the character. Having a blatent full screen shot of Miranda's "perfect" ass really adds depth to her character, having that ugly ****** on display for the world to see adds depth to her character.

It's not just Bioware...it's a vast ammount of video games. Women characters are always oversexualized because thats what the majority of gamers, men...like to see...sexy women. They saw how many men leaped all over Miranda and said Ashely was bland in compairison. Bioware knew Miranda's place in ME3 might be complicated given her posistion in Cerberus...so they primp up Ashely to compensate for her possible absence. As a result completely disregarding her character.

Modifié par kylecouch, 13 mai 2011 - 06:41 .

[AdmiralCheez]

If everyone in ME3 has tig ol' bitties, I stop being impressed by them. There's such a thing as over-saturation. Just sayin'.

Also, I respect a woman who can run around in armor heavier than she is, kick some serious ass, and then come back later for for poetic flirting and naked cuddles. That's the Ash I remember, and that's the Ash I want back.

[aftohsix]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

I wish they made a really obese female squadmate with bad acne and an overbite. Right guys? I hate boobs. They make me feel weird. In my pants.

This is what intellectuals would call a "strawman argument." As I'm hardly intellectual, I'm just going to say "STFU n00b" and leave it at that, but I do suggest considering the meaning of "strawman" as well, it's probably a more constructive response than mine.

Wow.  What if I was being serious?  Then you're just being mean.  Seriously I just want realism in my video games about gigantic life destroying robots and relativistic theory violating space travel.

Modifié par aftohsix, 13 mai 2011 - 06:50 .

[AdmiralCheez]

aftohsix wrote...

Wow.  What if I was being serious?  Then you're just being mean.  Seriously I just want realism in my video games about giagantic life destroying robots and relativistic theory violating space travel.

You are talking out of your dick.  I am not impressed.

[M4N0FF4I7H]

DxWill10 wrote...
Even Jacob had more character development than she did, and her appearance in ME3 will go a long way to adding substance to her character. 

Are you serious? 
Now your pretty much talking out of your arse mate,the problem people had with Ashley in me1 was her character.
She and Kaidan were the most developed characters of the squadmates,
the problem you seem to be having with her is that you didn't care for her personality.
Getting spandex wont change who you are mate,
if you didn't think much of her in me1 and her personality is still the same in me3
then the only thing getting you think different of her will be her "assests".

Modifié par BornFree87, 13 mai 2011 - 06:41 .

[aftohsix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
You are talking out of your dick.  I am not impressed.

Read the TOS please.

Okay.  How about this.  I don't think Miranda was "overly sexualized."  Not in the least compared to just about any other video game in recent history.  In fact the last major female character who wasn't "sexualized" that I can think of was Elena Fisher in the Uncharted series and even she was designed to be a physically apealing woman.

Modifié par aftohsix, 13 mai 2011 - 06:50 .

[Ship.wreck_]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Team Ninja and DMC4's Gloria would like to have a word with you.

Hahaha! Awesome. I've incured wrath.

That characters may have alternative outfits (that aren't DLC-based) is not entirely out of the question, but the shoulder plating and thick-leather "light armor" look of the thing suggests that it is combat attire.

I hope they have at least one of each class of armor, but with a color scheme/ pattern customizer like Shepard's armor in ME2.

The alternative outfits for other characters of ME2 were ridiculously dissapointing. They were just the exact same outfits with a SLIGHTLY different collor scheme. What was the point?

But then again having to search the galaxy for a good set of armor in a color you like in ME was ridiculously inconvenient. Yeah, you had totall controll of what your squad wears (good thing), but it could take you a playthrough and a half just to find something you like for everyone! I like the idea of uniformity for Shepards team so it took me about that long to get everyone in a set of Scorpion armor, and even now I'm forced to use less than optimal armor because I haven't found I higher level instance of Scorpion.

Then I played ME2 and saw that you could use just one set of armor and completely customize the color/pattern. I was so excited to just set everyone's armor identical right off the bat instead of searching the galaxy for what I want, but NOOO. Turns out you're really the only one who even wears armor! Ugh

Anyway, that's what I'd like to see, everyone gets armor, and you can customize the look of everyone's armor like you could Shepards in ME2

Given the "galactic war" thing, it'd be a bit silly to have characters running around in daywear, anyway. I do hope they amp up the practicality of characters' costumes just a bit. The "breather mask" issue is especially embarrassing. Hello? Space has no air pressure. You think volus have to wear those pressure suits because they fear sunburn? HUMAN FLESH WILL SPLIT OPEN IN INSUFFICIENT PRESSURE, TOO.

That's exactly what I've been saying. I hope the DON'T do the same thing as ME2 in ME3. BUT when they're on the ship, NOT in the middle of the fire fight, I'm all for the sexy. I'm a big fan of sexy!

[aftohsix]

 Bioware is just looking out for our health anyways

digg.com/news/lifestyle/staring_at_breasts_is_good_for_your_health_2

[Halo Quea]

kylecouch wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

What people really wanna know is why femshep appears to be about the only woman in the ME series (not counting Jack) who isn't getting about 6 lbs of silicon added to her bosom all of a sudden.

I really hope they don't give Ashley a sudden jump in cup size even though she won't appear in most of my games.

It's already done, and don't look for it to be changed back either.

Seriously though, I really would love to have a conversation with Bioware's conceptual artists and ask them what justifications they had for coming up with this look for a Soldier. 

I suspect their answer would be along the lines of "thats whats popular with the core, male audience and once we saw the massive popularity revolveing around Miranda, we had to change her appearence so shes more popularly recieved with the fan base. We know we cannot make everyone happy but more people will approve of the change than oppose it."  AKA...fan service, which is the cause of...

I mean there IS a reason Miranda got the most "graphic" erotic scene...


Well you get the point... the point is...this is clearly the new direction Bioware is taking their products.

Well comparitively, Ash and Liara were completely nude for their love scenes, even if most of it was obscured.   Miranda doesn't actually ever strip down completely in ME2, but as you've pointed out, she'd been flashing so much ass throughout the game that not much else could have been left to the imagination. lol

When you talk about Bioware's direction though, you really have to wonder who all of this stuff appeals to, or more appropriately what does Bioware really think about us? lol!   DA2 was enormous breasts, lesbian sex, exploding bodies and buckets of blood. 

Now poor Ashley has no armor, a much larger bosom, and a ridiculous amount of cake on her face. And like others have said, I don't want to even think about what's going to happen to Jack, she was already on the verge of having the look of a dominatrix with her leather-pvc outfit. 

It doesn't feel like a SciFi RPG anymore does it?   It feels like it's crossed over into something else.  

[Ship.wreck_]

Can someone please post this pic. I STILL don't even know what it looks like.

[Shadowrun1177]

Personally I like Ashley's new look, and I don't think she looks like "Miranda 2.0", "Mirandarized" or whatever others want to call it. One of my biggest problem's with ME 2 was that returning characters like Tali and Garrus got updated looks, and others like Liara pre-Shadow Broker and Ash/Kaidan didn't seem to change appearance wise.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Halo Quea wrote...

Well comparitively, Ash and Liara were completely nude for their love scenes, even if most of it was obscured.   Miranda doesn't actually ever strip down completely in ME2, but as you've pointed out, she'd been flashing so much ass throughout the game that not much else could have been left to the imagination. lol

Remember the Fox News crapfest that answered ME1's sex scenes? Yeah, it's probably because of that.

[Ship.wreck_]

Can someone please post this picture. I still don't know what it looks like...

[Pedro Costa]

Yate wrote...

Leave the flaunty sexiness to Miranda. It fits her character.

BioWare: you have nothing to gain by doing this to Ashley. The people who will romance her will romance her regardless of appearance. Focus on making Miranda and Asari sexier. We Ashley lovers don't care about hair style or breast size. She's perfect just the way she is.

As a person who likes both characters (Ashley and Miranda) equally, I fully support this post.

[Babli]

I dont see any similiarities with Miranda´s look. At all



/sarcasm

[Bluko]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I took a look at it and decided that she was wearing a shirt that was a bit form fitting but terribly revealing or outrageous. Aside from the open collar it's really not that much worse from the human light armors in ME1.


I see plenty of girls wearing clothes that cover less than Ashley's in the GI pic on a day to day basis. But I'm seeing hordes of people saying she's dressed like a complete **** in a catsuit or something to that effect. I don't think that response is appropriate.  

(Interesting case coming from the person with Lara Croft in their avatar. It's funny to note that Lara Croft is only as well endowed as she is namely because one of the Devs on the first Tomb Raider game increased her bust size three times on the original model. Of course the rest of the team saw this and was basically like Niice!)

It's not that Ashley's new look is too "skimpy" or anything like that. Really as far as clothing/armor goes for women it's fairly modest. If she were in just a metal bikini or something, then yeah. But no Ashley really isn't being dramatically oversexualzed as there are far worse offenders in most movies and video games.

The problem is her "new look" is really out of character for her. Ashley is the type of person that wears hefty armor, and in ME1 she quite often states this. So it's not just supposed she wears heavy armor for the sake of it, her character quite literally says she does so on purpose. Most of us are assuming that this is indeed her combat gear since it vaguely does seem to be akin of light armor suits. But that's the thing. Why Ashley is wearing light armor? Ashley should be wearing heavier armor.

I mean to be honest assuming that picture is her off-duty uniform is probably wishful thinking. Wouldn't she wear some sort of outfit then like in ME1 if that were the case? The other two big alarms for people is 1) Kaidan (who being a Sentinel wears lighter armor) is actually wearing more armor then Ashley 2) Ashley looks a lot more like Miranda. 

It seems rather odd to me that Kaidan would sport heavier armor then Ashley. It should quite frankly be the opposite, with Kaidan wearing the relatively light suit. Thing is we all know why he isn't: it's cause he doesn't have boobs to show off. Also when I first saw the new picture of Ashley I honestly wasn't sure whether that was suppose to be her or Miranda. I mean she really does almost look exactly like her now.

Miranda's figure is okay given that we know she was basically genetically engineered to be "hot". However Ashley is suppose to be just a normal girl. (And having DDs or Fs is not the norm if you're as lean as Ashley.) I mean sure you could suppose Ashley might have gotten a boob job (really?) or is wearing a push-up Bra. But basically it's pretty plain to see her boob size was increased for the sake of the male audience.

Now I wouldn't complain if she were only slightly larger, since well they're redesigning her character. And having slightly bigger looking boobs isn't the end of the world. The thing here is she's been increased quite dramatically. It's not  a subtle change at all, which is why it's so glaring. Everyone who looks can tell Ashley is bigger. The problem is relatively few guys are going to put their sexual prejudices aside to admit the change, cause hey most of us like big boobs. Which is why the few of us who are mature enough to admit this are making such a strong case; cause no one else will. There's nothing wrong with a character being sexy, but doing so at the expense of altering the characters physical shape and what they wear into combat is kind of wrong. There's nothing wrong with Ashley letting her hair down and or wearing a bit of eye make-up.

But it's the fact Ashley isn't wearing heavier armor simply so her better assests can be shown off.

[Nashiktal]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Can someone please post this picture. I still don't know what it looks like...

Its on the first page.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Personally I like Ashley's new look, and I don't think she looks like "Miranda 2.0", "Mirandarized" or whatever others want to call it. One of my biggest problem's with ME 2 was that returning characters like Tali and Garrus got updated looks, and others like Liara pre-Shadow Broker and Ash/Kaidan didn't seem to change appearance wise.

Budget concerns, etc. You can afford to recycle models and such for a character who sticks around for all of sixty seconds or spends the entire gaming hanging out in a room you don't even visit that often, but if they play a major story, gameplay, or cutscene role, you're obliged to be more diligent. And it's not a bad thing necessarily--diverting resources to where they're most needed is a fundamental part of working effectively under the contstraints of your assigned budget and deadline.

[aftohsix]

...One picture. Freak out.

[Ship.wreck_]

Nashiktal wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

I wish they made a really obese female squadmate with bad acne and an overbite. Right guys? I hate boobs. They make me feel weird. In my pants.

Problem is two of those wouldn't fit the setting. Overbite fixed in utero, acne fixed by a variety of medicines that actually work. Obesity might fit, but that would be hit hard by the need to create an entirely new model.

Hahaha! Good call six!

But no, NONE of those would fit the setting. You'd think obesity would be fixed by now too. And even IF it wasn't:
It wouldn't be ALLOWED in a military operation.

Not that the argument matters Nash, he was being sarcastic. I for one love feeling funny in my pants.

EDIT: replaced wrong quote with right quote...

Modifié par Ship.wreck , 13 mai 2011 - 06:58 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Bluko wrote...

Thing is we all know why he isn't: it's cause he doesn't have boobs to show off.

The male equivalent of sexiness isn't the same as the female equivalent. The heavy armor makes his body appear even broader than it is, and that spells "manly." In this case it provides the side-effect of making him look cooler. Mostly it's only on the female side of things where people get touchy about people looking sexy, probably because sexuality and practicality don't line up as often as they do on the male side of the fence.

[TheRevanchist]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Can someone please post this picture. I still don't know what it looks like...