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[Ship.wreck_]

Mr.House wrote...
...Miri ruining around in her ugly cat suit.

You are a female.

 I agree that it was ridiculous and would rather she wear armor in combat. But I wouldn't call it ugly
or aesthetically displeasing in any way...

[ObserverStatus]

1Minsc1 wrote...

"Motivationals" Thread by JoeLaTurkey

hey, Samus is not a cerberus wh*re!

Modifié par bobobo878, 13 mai 2011 - 08:39 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Re casual attire: I rather doubt that this will happen (yes, I've officially changed my opinion on this topic); those looking for that kind of thing get women fighting in catsuits, and it seems that the rest will reward BW by paying extra for a version that is more reasonable (rather than, they, paying less for a broken product).

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Again, Alternate Appearance Pack 2 for the win

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 13 mai 2011 - 08:41 .

[Mr.House]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
...Miri ruining around in her ugly cat suit.

You are a female.

 I agree that it was ridiculous and would rather she wear armor in combat. But I wouldn't call it ugly
or aesthetically displeasing in any way...

I am in fact a male and I don't like seeing one of my fav characters from ME being oversexualized for the typical male gamer.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Celrath wrote...

I don't get it. She has long hair and a jump suit. Why is this such a big deal?

Her appearance was sexy-yet-practical, pretty much the ideal balance for a lady soldier--especially the "Soldier" part, as actual armor was part of her attire. It suited her attitude as well--she was flirty when she wanted to be, but not to the point where you viewed her as a sex object. Switching to form-fitting jump-suit, make-up, and letting her hair down all in one swoop, though? Serious alarm bells.

I just prefer not to jump to conclusions until I have a full-body image and some idea what the execution's like.

[PMC65]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Also, I really hope there's going to be more sex in ME3, although I know I'm going to be dissapointed. God damnit, I'm sick and tired of having to save the f#$%ing galaxy every time I want to get laid!!!

100% agree with this one ... can't my Shepard get laid WHENEVER she wants? No one is a virgin here, they have already done the deed, so the relationship is past the "better if we wait" phase.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Mr.House wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
...Miri ruining around in her ugly cat suit.

You are a female.

 I agree that it was ridiculous and would rather she wear armor in combat. But I wouldn't call it ugly
or aesthetically displeasing in any way...

I am in fact a male and I don't like seeing one of my fav characters from ME being oversexualized for the typical male gamer.

That's not what the "ugly" bit implies, so forgive him for assuming you just find it totally unattractive on a basic and primal level.

[Ship.wreck_]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I like buff dudes.  My friend likes skinny little girly boys.  We both like Garrus, who is an angry space chicken with half his face shot off.  Really, so long as a dude isn't completely hideous, all he needs is a kickass personality and there WLL.  BE.  FANGIRLS.

Really, the same COULD apply to guys looking at girls.  In fact, it does--otherwise the "ugly" chicks would have long since died out and I wouldn't have a boyfriend (I'm FAT, dammit!).  The problem is that the media has yet to realize that.

I also like boobies, in case my posts are confusing anyone.  Hurr durr, bisexuality, durr.

Well, speaking in terms of general rules here, the most common straight guy is going to value physical attractiveness and the ratio of guys who like medium-large breasts (at the least) is significantly higher than those who like smaller ones. Guys tend to just have that kind of natural sex drive that goes for this stuff, so our tendency to focus on looks is high. Women seem to have a tendency to focus more obviously on personality for a similar reason--as if it's a natural aspect of the sex drive they're built with, or maybe just a long-practiced mental reaction to the typical "boy sees girl, boy hits on girl, girl decides if boy is worth dating, etc." social courtship style. This isn't a stereotype so much as an acknowledgement that this is where the scales presently sit. It could change or evolve in a number of different ways, but this is where they sit, and media reacts by encouraging and catering to the popular style.

Actually studies show that females place a higher emphasis on proffessional and social success. I saw a nat geo thing on sexuality, a random sample of girls were shown a picture of a random guy rated it 5-6/10ish... another random sample was shown the same pic but with a made up position of "exucutive-something-or-other" and a large salary printed next to the pic, came back rated 8-9/10ish haha!

The whole personality things a bit of a stereotype if you ask me. Girls are just as "shallow" as guys, just in different ways.

Anyway, the ultimate test of sexuality is the bar/club/singles scene. You go out to get laid on a Friday night you better have clasic Shepardesque good looks, and depending on where you go, even with that you better be driving a nice car too! Not to critisize either side, we're all just as shallow

Girls are trying to hook up with the hottest / most succsessfull guys and the guys are trying just as hard to only hook up with the hottest girls.

[Mr.House]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

That's not what the "ugly" bit implies, so forgive him for assuming you just find it totally unattractive on a basic and primal level.

I find her black suit attractive, not her ugly white one, but I find Miri more sexy in her armour.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

The whole personality things a bit of a stereotype if you ask me. Girls are just as "shallow" as guys, just in different ways.

Unfortunately, this is true.  However, it doesn't need to be encouraged.

[Shadowrun1177]

Here's another thing about the "Miranda 2.0" thing, appearance =/= personality. I believe Casey has said that the original artist are the ones doing the new updated looks for characters in ME 3. So if anything it's not Ash's look that should worry people cause the artist is the same, but her personality under a new writer.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mr.House wrote...

I find her black suit attractive, not her ugly white one, but I find Miri more sexy in her armour.

Same here, but I think the reason the white one looks so gross is because of the way the shadows get all funky.

[1Minsc1]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I love how people are so readily calling her a Miranda clone as if Miranda's only characteristic was her appearance. It just seems so hypocritical to me.

Miranda hated her appearance. Imagine waking up every morning and looking in the mirror and seeing the handiwork of a man you hate. Imagine going to work every day using the intelligence crafted the by something other than nature.

Miranda had her own distinct personality but apparently the only thing Ashley fans, the same ones saying Ashley say has been oversexualized, see in Miranda was her appearance.

It's like they didn't bother listening to anything Miranda had to say. It boggles my mind to be honest.

I agree. Miranda was good written and an interesting character. I think there are also some parallels to Ashley. This reaction shows pretty good how players treaten characters when the presented in an "extreme" way. There are also "Miranda-Fans" with "I support Mirandas a**" in the sig. Beeing afraid ones favorite character could be treaten on surface and treat other characters this way is not correct. Too late to delete the "motivational", already qouted, sorry.   

[DxWill10]

Well it seems pretty certain Ashley will be introduced into ME3 with an updated, more sexuality feminine look than she had in ME1. Whether you agree with it or not, this is most likely happening.

So, (similar to Miranda's alternate appearance in pack 2) I imagine Bioware will release appearance packs so people who get upset with things like non-realistic armor can download these packs and put armor on their characters. Everyone wins.
I guess I just don't care enough either way. Do I want realism, or sexy women? Either case is a win for me, and if you allow your ME experience to be ruined because your squad mates aren't wearing realistic armor, fear not, alternate appearance packs to the rescue!

Edit:  It would seem even more reasonable to do away with appearance packs. Just include a 'realistic / less attractive armor suit' AND a 'more attractive, less realistic lolspandex' with ME3.  While I think the appearance of your armor is a silly thing to get incredibly upset over, it seems even more silly to require you to spend money just to have your squad-mates wear the realistic armor if you're the type who simply can't get over it.  If nothing else though, purchaseable appearance packs will be available eventually, though I would support the game including both types of appearances.

Modifié par DxWill10, 13 mai 2011 - 08:59 .

[Mr.House]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Here's another thing about the "Miranda 2.0" thing, appearance =/= personality. I believe Casey has said that the original artist are the ones doing the new updated looks for characters in ME 3. So if anything it's not Ash's look that should worry people cause the artist is the same, but her personality under a new writer.

I'm scared for both Ash and Kai, tho at least Kaidans redeisgn looks awesome, Ash's hair down is good but everthing else?

[Ship.wreck_]

PMC65 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Also, I really hope there's going to be more sex in ME3, although I know I'm going to be dissapointed. God damnit, I'm sick and tired of having to save the f#$%ing galaxy every time I want to get laid!!!

100% agree with this one ... can't my Shepard get laid WHENEVER she wants? No one is a virgin here, they have already done the deed, so the relationship is past the "better if we wait" phase.

Hahaha! EXACTLY! But they won't do it because if you can have sex whenever it won't be as much as a plot climax right before the final mission :|

You'd think my classically good looking ManShep also being one of the most successfull and badass military figures in the galaxy AND being an all around stand up guy would be able to "get it" if he wanted to. He shouldn't be stumbling back to the ship with his shipmates after a night out at flux... Hell he should have a groupie drawer in his quarters on the Normandy he can just pull a number from anytime he wants!

[Nashiktal]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I love how people are so readily calling her a Miranda clone as if Miranda's only characteristic was her appearance. It just seems so hypocritical to me.

Miranda hated her appearance. Imagine waking up every morning and looking in the mirror and seeing the handiwork of a man you hate. Imagine going to work every day using the intelligence crafted the by something other than nature.

Miranda had her own distinct personality but apparently the only thing Ashley fans, the same ones saying Ashley say has been oversexualized, see in Miranda was her appearance.

It's like they didn't bother listening to anything Miranda had to say. It boggles my mind to be honest.

Its not a reference to Miranda's personality, its a reference to the fact Miranda is blatant fanservice.

The difference is Miranda's entire backstory at least supports the fanservice, while Ashley IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

[Ship.wreck_]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
...Miri ruining around in her ugly cat suit.

You are a female.

 I agree that it was ridiculous and would rather she wear armor in combat. But I wouldn't call it ugly
or aesthetically displeasing in any way...

I am in fact a male and I don't like seeing one of my fav characters from ME being oversexualized for the typical male gamer.

That's not what the "ugly" bit implies, so forgive him for assuming you just find it totally unattractive on a basic and primal level.

Are you guys implying that humans exist on a higher-than-basic-and-primal level? Because I don't f@#$ing believe you

[Nathan Redgrave]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Actually studies show that females place a higher emphasis on proffessional and social success.

That ties into the same thing that leads to the personality issue. It's part of the "is he worth dating/keeping" phase.

I saw a nat geo thing on sexuality, a random sample of girls were shown a picture of a random guy rated it 5-6/10ish... another random sample was shown the same pic but with a made up position of "exucutive-something-or-other" and a large salary printed next to the pic, came back rated 8-9/10ish haha!

The whole personality things a bit of a stereotype if you ask me. Girls are just as "shallow" as guys, just in different ways.

But not in any way that negates my point about "sexy" not being the same when applied to males. Females are "programmed" (genetically? socially?) to favor males who can provide or look after them or their children. 

Anyway, the ultimate test of sexuality is the bar/club/singles scene. You go out to get laid on a Friday night you better have clasic Shepardesque good looks, and depending on where you go, even with that you better be driving a nice car too! Not to critisize either side, we're all just as shallow

Girls are trying to hook up with the hottest / most succsessfull guys and the guys are trying just as hard to only hook up with the hottest girls.

I'm not saying it's a two-dimensional issue, dude. Hence "scales." A little weight on that side, a bit more on the other. A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. You get the picture.

I also didn't mean to imply that it was less shallow. Evaluating based on personality doesn't mean you're looking for the brainy guy or the noble guy, you could just as easily be looking for the manly man who kicks ass or the guy who can always make you laugh, which doesn't sound too shallow... but actually it is, it's quite shallow. Just not directly related to sex or comfortable living.

[Shadowrun1177]

Mr.House wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Here's another thing about the "Miranda 2.0" thing, appearance =/= personality. I believe Casey has said that the original artist are the ones doing the new updated looks for characters in ME 3. So if anything it's not Ash's look that should worry people cause the artist is the same, but her personality under a new writer.

I'm scared for both Ash and Kai, tho at least Kaidans redeisgn looks awesome, Ash's hair down is good but everthing else?

 Like you, I like the fact she's let her hair down, and wearing makeup. I also don't have a problem with her current outfit. Honestly if they wanted to change her outfit to a heavier armor like, now don't kill me for this cause it's an example Miranda's dlc armor it wouldn't bug me.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
...Miri ruining around in her ugly cat suit.

You are a female.

 I agree that it was ridiculous and would rather she wear armor in combat. But I wouldn't call it ugly
or aesthetically displeasing in any way...

I am in fact a male and I don't like seeing one of my fav characters from ME being oversexualized for the typical male gamer.

That's not what the "ugly" bit implies, so forgive him for assuming you just find it totally unattractive on a basic and primal level.

Are you guys implying that humans exist on a higher-than-basic-and-primal level? Because I don't f@#$ing believe you

Living on a higher level doesn't mean that level isn't there. I'd fall in love with a flat-chested girl as easily as a busty one if things fell together right, but show me a picture of two nude ladies and it's probably the bustier one I'll rate higher. To provide a very basic and primal example of what I mean.

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

The whole personality things a bit of a stereotype if you ask me. Girls are just as "shallow" as guys, just in different ways.

Unfortunately, this is true.  However, it doesn't need to be encouraged.

Well it's been encouraged all along. Why do you think Shepard is so dashing, and a special forces super dude, and the first human Spectere?

If they weren't pandering to our nature, Shepard would be a more realistic dude who was just some random guy in the military who (figuratively speaking) just happened to trip and fall ass backwards over saving the world.

When we caught Sadam Hussein it wasn't some Shepardesque super soldier that did it. It was some f@#$ing guy, who literally stepped in hole and tripped, only to realize afterwards that the hole happened to have Saddam Friggin Hussein in the bottom... whoops?

But in our society being good isn't good enough. Only the best are ever worth looking at, paying attention to, or making movies / video games about.

Although to be fair Shepard's nature is probably pandering as much to your average dude's natural desire to be the Alpha Male, as the average girl's desire to have the Alpha Male... if not more so...

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Well it's been encouraged all along. Why do you think Shepard is so dashing, and a special forces super dude, and the first human Spectere?.

Dashing.

Seriously, the reason Shepard is a big goddamn hero is because that's what it takes to save the galaxy.  There are plenty of other stories out there where Average Joe saves the day, but Average Joe lacks the charisma to gather together a team of badasses.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 13 mai 2011 - 09:10 .

[ADLegend21]

bobobo878 wrote...

@OP my main objection is that by stealing Samus's zero suit and wearing that, Ashley directly contradicts what she said in ME1.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armoured, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

anyone ever consider that this is her casual outfit? She's a Spectre so she's bound to have a new outfit since this is a redesign. your quote hits the nail on the head, she prefers armor, matter of fact, every specte we've seen has Armor. Saren, Shepard, Nihlus, and Vasir had Armor. She has Armor on Horizon (and she's probbaly already a Spectre there we need the game to find out when Ashley and Kaidan Get promoted) and since she's fought on the front lines for the majority of her caree, she'll always have armor. I doubt you'd get her in combat in a jumpsuit unless someone boarded a ship she was on and didn't have time to put on her heavy armor.