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[Shadowrun1177]

Ship.wreck wrote...

No this all based on the precedent of Ashley that ASHLEY herself has already given us. Sure at times, to Shepard, during moments of intimacy, she showed her softer side. She didn't walk around with her softer side on display for the world. She was the opposite of that in fact.

People don't just completely randomly change from tom-boyish to girly over night for no reason. So if her character does change from tom boyish to girly, it damn well better not be overnight, and there damn well better be a reason. Otherwise it IS a contradiction of her character.

And regardless of a person's personallity, unless it's some wier tribal thing, which Ashley doesn't have, you DON'T wear makeup in combat. And who said anything about girls shouldn't wear makeup in video games, or anywhere for that matter besides, in combat, on a ship in the middle of a millitary operation?

So why don't you go complain about Jack changing softening up and being a little less "punk".  Cause according to articles that's exactly whats happening with her. People mature and it would be so strange or odd for someone to show a softer side more outside of intmate moments? Complaining about makeup in combat in a video game I really think thats pointless, just cause it's a video game not real life. If you want realism then why are you playing Mass Effect which expect you suspend disbelief for alot of things.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 13 mai 2011 - 10:13 .

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
True, but if you see boobs everywhere, they lose the appeal.  It'd be like if you ate chocolate cake everyday--the fun would wear off, and suddenly nothing is sexy anymore.

I don't know, I've seen a lot of boobs alot of places and see no signs of the attraction wearing off. Boobs is one of those things that never gets old.

Part of the fun of chicks with armor is getting to imagine the exciting bits yourself while reveling in the asskickery.  Also, it makes the love scenes much more rewarding.  It's like Christmas!

Yeah... I'm more of the instant gratification type. Get that armor out of my way. Seriously though, if I wanted to imagine things I'd close my eyes and start from scratch. I'm looking at this video game because I want to see things. But at the same time, a girl needs her armor. So that pic better be casual dress...

Who wouldn't?

I don't know, but they're not human!

[AdmiralCheez]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

So why don't you go complain about Jack changing softening up and being a little less "punk".  Cause according to articles that's exactly whats happening with her. People mature and it would be so strange or odd for someone to show a softer side more outside of intmate moments? Complaining about makeup in combat in a video game I really think thats pointless, just cause it's a video game not real life.

Getting a boob job and putting on more makeup than Betty White on a bad day?  Tramping around in a Mirified catsuit under heavy fire?

That's not maturity, that's cheap fanservice.  I'd be okay with Ashley being slightly less hostile towards aliens or perhaps a little more world-weary from working on her own, but suddenly deciding to become Space Marine Barbie?  No.

On the same note, it would make sense for Jack to become less abrasive and isolated since she's learned to trust the crew, and maybe put a shirt on for the sake of no longer needing to shock everyone in the room over how edgy she is, but I don't expect her to put on a little sun-dress and start baking cookies.

It'd be like if Tali suddenly abandoned her love of starships for the sake of pursing a career as a fashion designer, or if Garrus put down his rifle to become an accountant..

There's a line between character development and WHAT THE F*CK, BIOWARE?!

[Ship.wreck_]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...
So if her character does change from tom boyish to girly, it damn well better not be overnight, and there damn well better be a reason. Otherwise it IS a contradiction of her character.

So why don't you go complain about Jack changing softening up and being a little less "punk".  Cause according to articles that's exactly whats happening with her. People mature and it would be so strange or odd for someone to show a softer side more outside of intmate moments? Complaining about makeup in combat in a video game I really think thats pointless, just cause it's a video game not real life.

People do mature. Well, that would be a reason wouldn't it???

How many times do I have to say that I don't care, and that it would even be a good thing, if the characters EVOLVE NATURALLY THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE STORY?

As for Jack, I don't care if she gets ejected out an airlock, that whack job bugs the **** out of me! "I'm so tough!"
"But I'm such a victim"
"I'm such a ****!"
"But do you really care?"
"I'm so badass!"
"But I'm so sad!"

For God's sake lady, shut the hell up, act like a normal human, do your job, and get f over yourself!

[TheRevanchist]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

No this all based on the precedent of Ashley that ASHLEY herself has already given us. Sure at times, to Shepard, during moments of intimacy, she showed her softer side. She didn't walk around with her softer side on display for the world. She was the opposite of that in fact.

People don't just completely randomly change from tom-boyish to girly over night for no reason. So if her character does change from tom boyish to girly, it damn well better not be overnight, and there damn well better be a reason. Otherwise it IS a contradiction of her character.

And regardless of a person's personallity, unless it's some wier tribal thing, which Ashley doesn't have, you DON'T wear makeup in combat. And who said anything about girls shouldn't wear makeup in video games, or anywhere for that matter besides, in combat, on a ship in the middle of a millitary operation?

So why don't you go complain about Jack changing softening up and being a little less "punk".  Cause according to articles that's exactly whats happening with her. People mature and it would be so strange or odd for someone to show a softer side more outside of intmate moments? Complaining about makeup in combat in a video game I really think thats pointless, just cause it's a video game not real life.

Your obviously not getting the make up thing....it has NOTHING to do with it being a video game...your the ONLY one saying that....it's simple logic that NO ONE would WALK INTO A WARZONE with lipstick, eyeliner, eyeshadow, and blush on...NO ONE would wear make up into a hostile combat zone...therefor the make-up should not be a permanent feature on her face, nor should it be on any of the other characters faces for the same reason...Your also clearly not getting the "logical reason for change" concept eaither. Because Jack DOES have a logical reason to become less hostile. She has realized not everyone in the world is a despicable bastard and thus has reason to change. However AS OF THIS MOMENT Ashley has NO REASON to be dressed and done up this way as this goes against things SHE HAS SAID HERSELF in the games. Really don't see whats so hard to understand here.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

I don't know, I've seen a lot of boobs alot of places and see no signs of the attraction wearing off. Boobs is one of those things that never gets old.

Take a life drawing class.  The fun of boobies wears off quick.

Yeah... I'm more of the instant gratification type. Get that armor out of my way. Seriously though, if I wanted to imagine things I'd close my eyes and start from scratch. I'm looking at this video game because I want to see things. But at the same time, a girl needs her armor. So that pic better be casual dress...

Indeed, Ashley isn't Ashley without roaring into battle in full body armor.

[Shadowrun1177]

Ship.wreck wrote...


People do mature. Well, that would be a reason wouldn't it???

How many times do I have to say that I don't care, and that it would even be a good thing, if the characters EVOLVE NATURALLY THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE STORY?

As for Jack, I don't care if she gets ejected out an airlock, that whack job bugs the **** out of me! "I'm so tough!"
"But I'm such a victim"
"I'm such a ****!"
"But do you really care?"
"I'm so badass!"
"But I'm so sad!"

For God's sake lady, shut the hell up, act like a normal human, do your job, and get f over yourself!

Ok I gotta say I agree with you about Jack, not once in any of my play throughs have I romanced her. 

[PMC65]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
I really don't see the problem with makeup that you seem to have, FemShepard can wear make up, Liara wears makeup, Jack wears makeup, Miranda wears makeup. I can understand people's complaint about her outfit even if I don't personally have problem with it and it also wouldn't bother me if Bioware decided to change it before release to something heavier like Miranda's dlc armor for example. If Ashley is softened a little by wearing makeup and letting her hair down whats the issue.

FemShep Shouldn't wear it either, Jack shouldn't wear it either, Liara shouldn't wear it either. Actually with Liara's new desk job it doesn't matter.

The problem is that it's contradictory to Ashley's character. That's the whole point. No one ever said make up sucks in general.

And even if it weren't contradictory to her character: YOU DON'T WEAR MAKEUP IN COMBAT PERIOD. You just f#$%ing don't. Would you put on makeup for a serious workout? Yeah, and that's massivly less effort than you would exert fighting for your life.

Like I said, I don't freaking care if she wears it in her personall life, or even if she's just wearing it now to get Shepard's attention in a scene or two as part of the plot, or any other of a myriad of potential reasons she might put it on. But if she just is wearing all the time just because, it's both contradictory to her character AND ridiculous from a logical perspective.

If she wears make-up into combat maybe her father called make-up the same thing my father did -  "war paint" ...  

[Shadowrun1177]

kylecouch wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

No this all based on the precedent of Ashley that ASHLEY herself has already given us. Sure at times, to Shepard, during moments of intimacy, she showed her softer side. She didn't walk around with her softer side on display for the world. She was the opposite of that in fact.

People don't just completely randomly change from tom-boyish to girly over night for no reason. So if her character does change from tom boyish to girly, it damn well better not be overnight, and there damn well better be a reason. Otherwise it IS a contradiction of her character.

And regardless of a person's personallity, unless it's some wier tribal thing, which Ashley doesn't have, you DON'T wear makeup in combat. And who said anything about girls shouldn't wear makeup in video games, or anywhere for that matter besides, in combat, on a ship in the middle of a millitary operation?

So why don't you go complain about Jack changing softening up and being a little less "punk".  Cause according to articles that's exactly whats happening with her. People mature and it would be so strange or odd for someone to show a softer side more outside of intmate moments? Complaining about makeup in combat in a video game I really think thats pointless, just cause it's a video game not real life.

Your obviously not getting the make up thing....it has NOTHING to do with it being a video game...your the ONLY one saying that....it's simple logic that NO ONE would WALK INTO A WARZONE with lipstick, eyeliner, eyeshadow, and blush on...NO ONE would wear make up into a hostile combat zone...therefor the make-up should not be a permanent feature on her face, nor should it be on any of the other characters faces for the same reason...Your also clearly not getting the "logical reason for change" concept eaither. Because Jack DOES have a logical reason to become less hostile. She has realized not everyone in the world is a despicable bastard and thus has reason to change. However AS OF THIS MOMENT Ashley has NO REASON to be dressed and done up this way as this goes against things SHE HAS SAID HERSELF in the games. Really don't see whats so hard to understand here.

So it's logicaly for Jack to change, but not for Ashley to change a show her softer side which we know is there from ME 1. Ashley should always remain a hard ass who doesn't show her other side at all except in intmate situations cause you say so is that it? As for Ashley's outfit I've said it in other post I personally don't have a problem with what she's wearing in the screen shot, but I wouldn't object to a heavier amor if Bioware decided to do that and I used Miranda's dlc armor as an example. Basically the makeup thing comes down to ****ing about realism in a video game that expects you to suspend disbelief. 

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...
I don't know, I've seen a lot of boobs alot of places and see no signs of the attraction wearing off. Boobs is one of those things that never gets old.

Take a life drawing class.  The fun of boobies wears off quick.

I find that hard to believe. But I can't verify that myself, my boner will get in the way. I'll be knocking over people's eisels, acidently poking people... that's just awkward.

Indeed, Ashley isn't Ashley without roaring into battle in full body armor.

Ashley isn't ALIVE without roaring into battle in full body armor, neither would anyone else be... you know what I mean...

[Krimson_Wolf]

I don't see Ash as over-sexualized it just looks like she as changed with time and so has her look.

[-Skorpious-]

I'm hoping its just a placeholder armor at the moment. For example, Grunt's armor was originally pure white with teal lights, but in ME2 at was changed to a battle-scarred chrome and blue look.

Bioware can't butcher the core of a character so badly right? Liara was an isolated incident right?

Right?

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

I find that hard to believe. But I can't verify that myself, my boner will get in the way. I'll be knocking over people's eisels, acidently poking people... that's just awkward.

I had to stare at the same pair of breasts for three hours.

THREE HOURS.

And then DRAW THEM.  PERFECTLY.  In INK.  Made a mistake?  Oh well, time to start over with a new sheet of EIGHT-DOLLAR PAPER.  Oh, and then she'd MOVE, so the pose would be off, and then I spilled the ink and had to clean it up--of COURSE she's holding PERFECTLY still while I'm cleaning up the mess...

I really hated those breasts at the end of the day.

Anyway, enough off-topic.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 13 mai 2011 - 10:37 .

[Ship.wreck_]

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

BUT again, it all comes down to wether or not Bioware is going to give any kind of reason or explanation in the plot at all, let alone a good one. And I'm sorry to say, Shadow, we just don't have that kind of faith in game makers to expect that.

On the contrary I think we fully expect she's just going to be randomly thrown into ME3 all girlied up for no reason with explanation just to tug at the boner strings of kids who don't have credit cards with which to access internet porn.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

That would be the dumbest subplot ever.

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
I really hated those breasts at the end of the day.

Anyway, enough off-topic.

I look at boobs for three hours all the time, and spill all kinds of things.

I think the problem is that you have breasts.

If I saw breasts in the mirror every day, I probably wouldn't be as impressed.

Wait a second...

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

I look at boobs for three hours all the time, and spill all kinds of things.

I think the problem is that you have breasts.

If I saw breasts in the mirror every day, I probably wouldn't be as impressed.

Wait a second...

I did the very same thing with a man with a six pack later that week.

There was just as much rage and loss of sex appeal.

[TheRevanchist]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

No this all based on the precedent of Ashley that ASHLEY herself has already given us. Sure at times, to Shepard, during moments of intimacy, she showed her softer side. She didn't walk around with her softer side on display for the world. She was the opposite of that in fact.

People don't just completely randomly change from tom-boyish to girly over night for no reason. So if her character does change from tom boyish to girly, it damn well better not be overnight, and there damn well better be a reason. Otherwise it IS a contradiction of her character.

And regardless of a person's personallity, unless it's some wier tribal thing, which Ashley doesn't have, you DON'T wear makeup in combat. And who said anything about girls shouldn't wear makeup in video games, or anywhere for that matter besides, in combat, on a ship in the middle of a millitary operation?

So why don't you go complain about Jack changing softening up and being a little less "punk".  Cause according to articles that's exactly whats happening with her. People mature and it would be so strange or odd for someone to show a softer side more outside of intmate moments? Complaining about makeup in combat in a video game I really think thats pointless, just cause it's a video game not real life.

Your obviously not getting the make up thing....it has NOTHING to do with it being a video game...your the ONLY one saying that....it's simple logic that NO ONE would WALK INTO A WARZONE with lipstick, eyeliner, eyeshadow, and blush on...NO ONE would wear make up into a hostile combat zone...therefor the make-up should not be a permanent feature on her face, nor should it be on any of the other characters faces for the same reason...Your also clearly not getting the "logical reason for change" concept eaither. Because Jack DOES have a logical reason to become less hostile. She has realized not everyone in the world is a despicable bastard and thus has reason to change. However AS OF THIS MOMENT Ashley has NO REASON to be dressed and done up this way as this goes against things SHE HAS SAID HERSELF in the games. Really don't see whats so hard to understand here.

So it's logicaly for Jack to change, but not for Ashley to change a show her softer side which we know is there from ME 1. Ashley should always remain a hard ass who doesn't show her other side at all except in intmate situations cause you say so is that it? As for Ashley's outfit I've said it in other post I personally don't have a problem with what she's wearing in the screen shot, but I wouldn't object to a heavier amor if Bioware decided to do that and I used Miranda's dlc armor as an example. Basically the makeup thing comes down to ****ing about realism in a video game that expects you to suspend disbelief. 

Omg your just not getting it are you? Ashley has EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD to change as long as it MAKES SENCE. HOWEVER...as of THIS MOMENT....that reason DOES NOT EXSIST. There is NOTHING at this time that justifies Ashley dressing in clothing she has PERSONALY SAID SHE WOULD NEVER WEAR. Does that mean a logical and respectful reason can NEVER HAPPEN? no it does not...it simply does not exsist AT THIS POINT IN TIME. We are however saying that it is UNLIKELY that theres ANY reason good enough to justify her changeing her ENTIRE mind set.

[LiquidGrape]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

Ah, yes. The good old "previously self-respecting woman vying for a man's attention by tarting up and forsaking any sense of personal integrity" scenario.

[-Skorpious-]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Ashley could have a reason for girlying up. As I and that motivational suggested before, she could be trying to win back Shepards affection after he bonered Miranda. Which could be a realy awesome sub plot that would go a long way to deepen Ashley's character, and provide emotional drama to tug at our hear strings, as I'm sure if she were desperate enough to make such a drastic change to get Shepards attention, she would be distrought and maybe feeling like she was betraying herself, and probably near an emotional breaking point from "loosing" Shepard.

Not everybody wpuld have romanced Miranda though, so that wouldn't work. Besides, what kind fo Spectre would Ashley would forego armor for a catsuit because of emotions? 

[Ship.wreck_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
That would be the dumbest subplot ever.

Well, that's why I'm not a f#$%ing bioware writer! And uhhhh... you would be the dumbest subplot ever!



Seriously though, that chick loved Shepard or whatever, and I don't know about yours but my Shepard railed Miri like there was no tommorow, and in one instance may never go back. That's gotta create some kind of friction when Ashley comes back! If it doesn't that would just be ridiculous.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Seriously though, that chick loved Shepard or whatever, and I don't know about yours but my Shepard railed Miri like there was no tommorow, and in one instance may never go back. That's gotta create some kind of friction when Ashley comes back! If it doesn't that would just be ridiculous.

But you see, Ashley wouldn't try to imitate the competition.

She'd puch it in the goddamn face.

And then probably kick Shepard in the balls.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 13 mai 2011 - 10:51 .

[Ship.wreck_]

LiquidGrape wrote...
Ah, yes. The good old "previously self-respecting woman vying for a man's attention by tarting up and forsaking any sense of personal integrity" scenario.

It just so happens that's my favorite kind of scenario!

[AdmiralCheez]

Ship.wreck wrote...

It just so happens that's my favorite kind of scenario!

Then you should die horribly and never find a girlfriend.

[Ship.wreck_]

-Skorpious- wrote...
Not everybody wpuld have romanced Miranda though, so that wouldn't work. Besides, what kind fo Spectre would Ashley would forego armor for a catsuit because of emotions? 

That would make it one of those consequence things. If you bonered Miri, maybe that's the scenario. If not, it isn't.

Keep in mind that I'm still saying that damn well beter be casual wear. I'm not saying it would make sense if she wore this all the time, I'm saying it might make sense if she changes a little and acts girly when and where it's appropriate if she feels it's necessary to get Shepard back.