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[Augustei]

If given free will over themselves they would probably establish a commanding council to oversee the mages and assist in training them. However there would be a division among mages, those who wish to use their abilities to protect and or keep to themselves, and those who wish to use their power for self gain and not place limitations on themselves eventually turning to blood magic. So we got a Jedi Sith Situation here - The Basis of this comes from the already existing Fraternaties within their ranks

Then the Blood mages will place themselves amongst the politician's while the non blood mages would fail to root them out. They will use the armies of thedas to crush the non blood mages and eradicate them from existance. A new empire will be formed under blood mage rulership.. Just like Tevinter =D and eventually it will turn out one pure mage managed to survive and it will be up to him to set things right... After a ton of bloodshed however.

This a good comparison? A likely Scenario? Maybe. =P

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 13 mai 2011 - 12:43 .

[LadyVaJedi]

XxDeonxX I agree with you here. I say let the mages govern themselves.

[Lintanis]

"These are not the Apostates you are looking for" 

[Wereparrot]

I've never been one for Star Wars, so I don't care for the Jedi comparison, but I agree that the mages should govern themselves; in fact, I believe that they'd be far more stable. It's a very socialist idea to lump all the mages together and watch them 24/7, and in the end can only end in tears for everyone.

[Augustei]

Wait what? Govern themselves? I didn't say that.. Not in this thread anyway lol This is just a scenario of what would happen if they did govern themselves freely.. But yeah I do agree they should govern themselves. To an extent. Keep the Lyrium addiction and Seekers in there imo

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 13 mai 2011 - 01:00 .

[True Zarken]

XxDeonxX you do it again mate

But yeah that's how it will turn out. Then 100 years later it will happen all over again with a descendant of said pure mage and he will be "Grey" using both pure and blood magic (Legacy Era, god damn it I wish I didn't read it sometimes )

Modifié par True Zarken, 13 mai 2011 - 01:03 .

[LadyVaJedi]

The Jedi do govern themselves with their laws on how to act and behave which issues will they tackle and such. How about the Jedi academy. That sounds like self governing to me. The sith as well govern themselves to.

[Augustei]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

The Jedi do govern themselves with their laws on how to act and behave which issues will they tackle and such. How about the Jedi academy. That sounds like self governing to me. The sith as well govern themselves to.

I mean if the mages govern themselves freely, im not saying the jedi dont govern themselves. I know they do

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 13 mai 2011 - 01:17 .

[Augustei]

True Zarken wrote...

XxDeonxX you do it again mate

But yeah that's how it will turn out. Then 100 years later it will happen all over again with a descendant of said pure mage and he will be "Grey" using both pure and blood magic (Legacy Era, god damn it I wish I didn't read it sometimes )

I cant help myself sometimes lol.
Ive never read the legacy era I dont think, is it good? Which is the one where Vader and Maul battle it out and the sith civil war happens etc. between episodes 3 and 4?

[LadyVaJedi]

Not sure.

[Nerevar-as]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I cant help myself sometimes lol.
Ive never read the legacy era I dont think, is it good? Which is the one where Vader and Maul battle it out and the sith civil war happens etc. between episodes 3 and 4?

I think that´s a non-canon tale. Legacy is set 100 years or so after ep IV and Sith are in power again. But I disagree Cade is "grey", at least at the beginning he´s clearly falling to the DS. Can´t use the DS regularly without falling, however with BM it hasn´t been explained if it corrupts by itself. In no game does it seem so, but wouldn´t be surprised if that changed in the future.

[G00N3R7883]

I vote Revan for player character in DA3

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 13 mai 2011 - 02:54 .

[Beerfish]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

XxDeonxX I agree with you here. I say let the mages govern themselves.

In his scenario it is much more likely that the mages will govern everyone, not just themselves.

[Siegdrifa]

I don't agree, jedi in star wars univers embody virtue and self savrifice for the greater good, the ones who failled and followed the dark path are not considered jedi anymore.

In DA, mage are feared, no matter good or bad, no mage are given in exemple to embody high human value.

I can agree that magic is like force for the one who are born with them, but magic mean mage, force doesn't mean jedi.

[primero holodon]

Considering that there a lot more than two fraternities, and all of them have rather significant differences in philosophy I have a hard timeseeing a self governed circle forming only two factions.

[Dave of Canada]

primero holodon wrote...

Considering that there a lot more than two fraternities, and all of them have rather significant differences in philosophy I have a hard timeseeing a self governed circle forming only two factions.

I'd totally join the Lucrosians, they'd probably have a tower made of solid gold.

[LobselVith8]

Beerfish wrote...

In his scenario it is much more likely that the mages will govern everyone, not just themselves.

I don't agree. Free mages exist in other societies, and those societies don't try to emulate the Tevinter Imperium. The ruler of Ferelden thinks mages have earned the right to govern themselves, and we know King Alistair is protecting apostates from Knight-Commander Meredith. Whether the mages governing themselves would become akin to a Jedi Council... based on what I've seen from the prequels, I'd hope not. They made plenty of bad decisions. It was like a council of Harrowmonts making all the decisions.

[TJPags]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

In his scenario it is much more likely that the mages will govern everyone, not just themselves.

I don't agree. Free mages exist in other societies, and those societies don't try to emulate the Tevinter Imperium. The ruler of Ferelden thinks mages have earned the right to govern themselves, and we know King Alistair is protecting apostates from Knight-Commander Meredith. Whether the mages governing themselves would become akin to a Jedi Council... based on what I've seen from the prequels, I'd hope not. They made plenty of bad decisions. It was like a council of Harrowmonts making all the decisions.

1st bold:  SOME rulers of Ferelden think this way.  Read, Alistair does.  We have no idea what Anora thinks.

2nd bold:  Wait, what?  AListair is protecting Apostates from Meredith?  Don't you mean Greagor?

[LobselVith8]

Actually, TJPags, Queen Anora agrees and proclaims at the royal ceremony that, despite the fact that the Chantry would disagree, she says the mages have earned the right to govern themselves. Anora's willingness to do this even when the Hero of Ferelden commits the ultimate sacrifice tells me this is her opinion.

Also, King Alistair and Knight-Commander Meredith get into a debate about apostates during his quest (unless you asked for the Magi boon, then it's an admonishment over the Magi boon).

[Maria Caliban]

I think it's a mistake to see blood mages as the Sith. Admittedly, the only thing counting this notion in the game itself is Darth Merrill.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think it's a mistake to see blood mages as the Sith. Admittedly, the only thing counting this notion in the game itself is Darth Merrill.

I think it's a mistake to see blood magic as being inherently different. It's like spirits/demons... I think they're the same thing, but people differentiate based on artificial criteria. What matters is what mages do. Merrill uses magic to create, to protect. An evil mage uses magic to twist and corrupt. Whether or not they use "blood magic," these things are true.

Similarly, the Sith use the Force to dominate and destroy, while the Jedi use the Force to learn and to defend. When the Emperor uses the Force to lightning Luke into oblivion, it's not that different from when Luke uses the Force to call his lightsaber to him in the Wampa's cave. They're both just using the Force. What makes the Emperor's usage Dark Side is that he's calling on the Force to torture another person.

Dragon Age doesn't have so convenient a duology as Star Wars... good mages use magic to kill people all the time. But both the motives and the ends need to be considered. I have no idea what's considered so "evil" about using your own life force to power a spell. Using mana to light you on fire is somehow better than using my own blood to heal you? Riiiiiight.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 14 mai 2011 - 12:26 .

[hoorayforicecream]

I think the evil part is the using somebody else's blood to power a spell.

[mesmerizedish]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I think the evil part is the using somebody else's blood to power a spell.

That's totally evil, sure. Answer me this, though: how many enemy blood mages do you see actually do that in-game? None. That's not to say it doesn't happen, as we see the bodies in Fenris's quest. But using other people as fuel is something that's only talked-about, never seen.

[hoorayforicecream]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

That's totally evil, sure. Answer me this, though: how many enemy blood mages do you see actually do that in-game? None. That's not to say it doesn't happen, as we see the bodies in Fenris's quest. But using other people as fuel is something that's only talked-about, never seen.

Huon, Orsino, Quentin...

[mesmerizedish]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

That's totally evil, sure. Answer me this, though: how many enemy blood mages do you see actually do that in-game? None. That's not to say it doesn't happen, as we see the bodies in Fenris's quest. But using other people as fuel is something that's only talked-about, never seen.

Huon, Orsino, Quentin...

Orsino didn't, and Quentin I don't think did, but even if he did, we didn't see it.

I forgot about Huon. One! One example of a blood mage using someone else for power.