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[hoorayforicecream]

Orsino's pile-o-mage-bodies sure looked like he was using em for fuel. He talked about saying how their sacrifice wasn't in vain, so it sounded like he was using them for something. We might not have actually seen Quentin do it on camera. So it might be two. Two! Ah ah ah!



So we've seen it. I posit that since we've seen at least one (maybe two), there are probably more.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 14 mai 2011 - 12:48 .

[mesmerizedish]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Orsino's pile-o-mage-bodies sure looked like he was using em for fuel. We might not have actually seen Quentin do it on camera. So it might be two. Two! Ah ah ah!



So we've seen it. I posit that since we've seen at least one (maybe two), there are probably more.

They were already dead, though. He didn't use them to power the spell so much as use them as the raw material to make a huge fleshy golem.

I always said that it happened. I just thought it was interesting that we never actually see it.

[Xilizhra]

Orsino's blood is the power. The corpses were the object.

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...

Orsino's blood is the power. The corpses were the object.

He did cut himself afterall. 

[Dave of Canada]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

They were already dead, though.

Unless you side with the Templar, where he mentions they were sacrifices.

[Xilizhra]

But as seen in the mage ending, he didn't need their blood for the spell. They were just corpse fuel.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...

But as seen in the mage ending, he didn't need their blood for the spell. They were just corpse fuel.

So can he transform into a Harvester without any corpses at all?

I still don't understand anything about all of this.

[mesmerizedish]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But as seen in the mage ending, he didn't need their blood for the spell. They were just corpse fuel.

So can he transform into a Harvester without any corpses at all?

I still don't understand anything about all of this.

No, he can't transform into a harvester with no corpses. There's not enough flesh. When I build a Lego set, I'm not using the Lego pieces as fuel. I'm expending my own energy, burning my own calories. It's the same thing here.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, I think he would be able to turn into a Harvester; it just wouldn't be very useful without the flesh golem "armor." The Harvester itself is that small head with the four legs.

[mesmerizedish]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, I think he would be able to turn into a Harvester; it just wouldn't be very useful without the flesh golem "armor." The Harvester itself is that small head with the four legs.

Oh? Then yes, I agree. I was talking about the entire construct. I thought the whole thing constituted the "harvester."

[Xilizhra]

It's only explained in detail in Golems of Amgarrak, I think. I had to read it on the wiki,

[Beerfish]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Actually, TJPags, Queen Anora agrees and proclaims at the royal ceremony that, despite the fact that the Chantry would disagree, she says the mages have earned the right to govern themselves. Anora's willingness to do this even when the Hero of Ferelden commits the ultimate sacrifice tells me this is her opinion.

Also, King Alistair and Knight-Commander Meredith get into a debate about apostates during his quest (unless you asked for the Magi boon, then it's an admonishment over the Magi boon).

Yeah King Alistair instills all sorts of confidence in a person that he knows what the hell he is doing.  With being watched closely mages bolloxed up the circle in lake calenhad and had at least a 50/50 share of screwing up kirkwall circle.  Also the leading mage for freedom sympathizer blew up a whole building full of innocent people when he wasn't going to get his way.

That too go along with tevinters and tevinter wannabes showing up in kirkwall all too often, will really make me feel safe and secure as someone that worshipped the chantry, was ever a templar, a town guard or the chamber made in the gallows.

I have yet to see a mage leader that looked like he could handle the mages under him in a circle tower.  I'm supposed to believe that they will all suddenly behave when on their own?  Give it time, a month, a year, two years, someone will tempted.  After all as the one mage who had Keran strung up.  "We have all the power and we let the others rule?  We should be the ones to rule!"

No thanks.

[LobselVith8]

Beerfish,

King Alistair with a hardened personality does seem to know what he's doing. He studied governance and can rule with Queen Anora at his side, which is the road I took with the Hero of Ferelden from the Circle of Ferelden. Alistair doesn't shirk his responsibilities and takes his role seriously, but even with a background as a templar he doesn't think the Chantry controlled Circles are the solution. Apparently, he was right since the world has become engulfed in an inevitable war between the mages and the templars.

There are free mages who don't try to emulate the Imperium in non-Andrastian societies, among the Wardens, and even Bethany isn't like the mage antagonists Hawke faced, and she lived most of her life outside of Chantry and templar control.

Knight-Commander Greagoir thought First Enchanter Irving was trustworthy enough to call off any intention of going through with the Right of Annulment.

Suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Alexander1136]

mages are like jedi; except jedi are gaurdians who are respected and mages are treated like leppers. oh and mages complain alot about being able to set people on fire. you would think some understanding would grow, i can kill people w/ my thoughts so they quarentine me.

[Augustei]

primero holodon wrote...

Considering that there a lot more than two fraternities, and all of them have rather significant differences in philosophy I have a hard timeseeing a self governed circle forming only two factions.

They would begin to form alliances among themselves and make mergers between fraternaties.. This is already seen to some degree betweent he Loyalists and Aquetarians.. I believe these two would merge as would the Isolationists.
Lucrosians and Libertarians would also likely merge.

LobselVith8 wrote...
I don't agree. Free mages exist in other societies, and those societies
don't try to emulate the Tevinter Imperium. The ruler of Ferelden thinks
mages have earned the right to govern themselves, and we know King
Alistair is protecting apostates from Knight-Commander Meredith. Whether
the mages governing themselves would become akin to a Jedi Council...
based on what I've seen from the prequels, I'd hope not. They made
plenty of bad decisions. It was like a council of Harrowmonts making all
the decisions.

It seems inevitable that some mages would want to get into roles of governing once they are given the chance to stretch their arms and use their freedom.. It all comes down to how efficient they are at coming out on top of their competitors and those opposed to the idea.. Most mages I would think wouldn't want to test the trust given to them by the common folk to soon after just obtaining their freedom.. It would probably be decades or centurys before this situation could prosper this way.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I think it's a mistake to see blood magic as being inherently
different. It's like spirits/demons... I think they're the same thing,
but people differentiate based on artificial criteria. What matters is
what mages do. Merrill uses magic to create, to protect. An evil mage
uses magic to twist and corrupt. Whether or not they use "blood magic,"
these things are true.

Similarly, the Sith use the Force to
dominate and destroy, while the Jedi use the Force to learn and to
defend. When the Emperor uses the Force to lightning Luke into oblivion,
it's not that different from when Luke uses the Force to call his
lightsaber to him in the Wampa's cave. They're both just using the
Force. What makes the Emperor's usage Dark Side is that he's calling on
the Force to torture another person.

Dragon Age doesn't have so
convenient a duology as Star Wars... good mages use magic to kill people
all the time. But both the motives and the ends need to be considered. I
have no idea what's considered so "evil" about using your own life
force to power a spell. Using mana to light you on fire is somehow
better than using my own blood to heal you? Riiiiiight.

Ok maybe the divider being between blood mages and non blood mages was off, So what about the fraternaties and the ambition of its members? There could be a major divide in the fraternaties