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[MisterJB]

Valentia X wrote...
Why not Jacob, whom she trusts and has helped before?

She migth trust Jacob but not the point where she will tell him about Oriana, I think.
Maybe I'm just the jealous type.
Anyway, when did Jacob help Miranda? She helped him deal with the Batarian attack on the Citadel but it was nothing personal, it was their job.

 

 I find it hard to believe there's no one else that would lend a hand if Shep can't help out.

I'm sure anyone but Jack and maybe Grunt woud help Miranda. I just don't think she would ask for their help.
 

She doesn't ask that you aid her alone during her mission, which is what happens with Thane, Samara, and Garrus-

You bring a third party member because unlike Thane's or Samara's, Miranda's LM involves fighting. Lorewise, she would Shepard asked to come alone.

granted, you can 'bring' other people. but they're not involved at all in what hapens. 

The third party member is also not involved at all in what happens during Miranda's LM except the fighting part.

Obviously it's personal, but she set aside her pride to ask for help once, and there's no reason why she won't do it again.

It's not about pride. It's about Miranda not liking to let people get close. She has a very dettached personality and, if she can help it, she won't involve anyone else in something that she considers personal. Even her only friend at the time, Niket, had no idea she had rescued Oriana from Mr.Lawson.
She will only ask for help if she has absolutely no other choice, like in ME2.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 mai 2011 - 02:01 .

[ExtremeOne]

Valentia X wrote...

 

Handling Oriana's safety is an extremely personal matter and she would avoid involving anyone but Shepard (LI) in it. The thing is, Shepard is busy and we would have to define just what is a "sticky "situation for Miranda, something that would actually force her to ask for help.
Anyway, I like to believe that Miranda handled Oriana's relocation off-screen as soon as she was out of the relay so, I don't expect her to play a direct role in Miranda's character arc in ME3.

Why? Why not a friendly Shepard who's already helped her? Why not Jacob, whom she trusts and has helped before? Not every person on the Normandy hates her the way Jack does. I find it hard to believe there's no one else that would lend a hand if Shep can't help out. She doesn't ask that you aid her alone during her mission, which is what happens with Thane, Samara, and Garrus- granted, you can 'bring' other people. but they're not involved at all in what hapens. Obviously it's personal, but she set aside her pride to ask for help once, and there's no reason why she won't do it again.

She doesn't necessarily need to "catapult" herself into danger. It's very much in character for Miranda to get "captured" by Cerberus on purpose. Bonus points to the writers if Shepard's in on the plan. Using her as bait to catch Shepard sounds like Cerberus. And if she went looking for Oriana I'm sure she's smart enough to know when a trap's layed for her. So instead of Cerberus using Miranda/Oriana as bait, Shepard and Miranda could very well counter it to their advantage. Preferably taking TIM out in the process.

That's basically what I'm saying. Do I believe that Miranda would endanger herself to save Oriana? Yes. Do I think she'd go it alone if she had someone she trusted to back her up? No. You're not describing a scenario contradictory to what I'm saying. There's still substantial risk to a baiting game, even with Shepard as backup.

    



Oh My Shepard will help out and I will do it first chance I get in ME 3 . If the alliance or the alien loving bastard hackett gets in My way well he might as well step aside because My Shepard will do what ever it takes to save Miranda and her sister . No one will stop Me from saving her  

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

ExtremeOne wrote...
 No one will stop Me from saving her  

I'll stop at nothing to save Beloved Miri as well.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Sorry... just needed to make sure. I hate being surrounded by them

[MisterJB]

ExtremeOne wrote...
 alien loving bastard hackett 

Hey, aliens are people too.

[ExtremeOne]

MisterJB wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
 alien loving bastard hackett 

Hey, aliens are people too.

   



sure I just wished he cared about us huamns more 

[MisterJB]

Don't remember Hackett damaging Human interestes to favor Aliens.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 mai 2011 - 02:15 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't know what else to say. I'm afraid of being bombarded by more comments from haters.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 14 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[ExtremeOne]

MisterJB wrote...

Don't remember Hackett damaging Human interestes to favor Aliens.

   


I just did not like his comment about the batarains who died in arrival . As if the batarains are our friends 

[ExtremeOne]

mrsph wrote...

I really don't want to meet a person who finds something positive about thousands of people dying in the blink of an eye.

   


I never said I liked that those batarians died in such a bad way . 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

That's nothing to be happy about, for any race. Thousands dying at once, it's scary and sad for anyone.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I gave Cerbs the base, although I missed the part where she quits it to stay with Shep.

If she ever stays with Cerbs for whatever reason, either way I'll hate BW.

If she stays if you gave the base I'll hate myself, although I'll live with the consequences and stop the reapers. If my Shepard has to be a lone wolf so be it. I won't go back to Ash if she wants, betrayed her for Miri with no second guessing after Horizon.

[Elite Midget]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Does she matter? She'll just be that unimportant redshir that didn't get picked by Bioware to be in your Squad.

Thus irrelevant in ME3.

WTF!!!! Come on, we didn't make this thread to have ****** haters cause a problem, beat it!!!!

I'm SO tired of this bull**** like this....

Such a vulgar tone you have. It's not my fault that you don't wish to believe the truth.

Next time romance Tali or Garrus because they're the only ones that mattered from ME2.

[Clonedzero]

i hope she has a big role in ME3.
she's my favorite LI

[Abispa]

Sigh. I am NOT "hating" on Miranda, I'm just saying I would be happy to see her as a "bad guy" NOT because I hate her or want to torment those who love her, but because I think having a mole in the group COULD (if done right) be pretty cool, and she could be the best to fit it. Yes, I AM an Ashley fan, but if it was written well, I'd be willing to see her be the "bad guy." After all, none of the characters are real and only exist to play a role that's written for them. I'm sorry for assuming that this forum would be a site to discuss Miranda whether you loved her, hated her or were indifferent to her. Since this is apparently a fan forum, I'll leave you alone.

[Raiil]

 

She migth trust Jacob but not the point where she will tell him about Oriana, I think. 
Maybe I'm just the jealous type.
Anyway, when did Jacob help Miranda? She helped him deal with the Batarian attack on the Citadel but it was nothing personal, it was their job.

Sorry, bit of a language screw up, I meant that she's helped him before. No, I doubt she told him about Oriana, but do you think he- or anyone else on the crew- doesn't know afterwards? Scuttlebutt travels fast.

I'm sure anyone but Jack and maybe Grunt woud help Miranda. I just don't think she would ask for their help.

Situation dependant. Miranda's smart, and I doubt she'd go in guns blazing if she knew/strongly suspected that going in alone would end with her death and/or Oriana being captured. The fact that she asks for help in the first place shows that Oriana > Miranda's pride and need for secrecy. Her sister's safety and happiness is paramount; why would she risk going it alone?

You bring a third party member because unlike Thane's or Samara's, Miranda's LM involves fighting. Lorewise, she would Shepard asked to come alone.

Would? Based on what? If I missed a dialogue option, what was it that stated that she only wanted Shep's help? Asking seriously here, I can't recall her saying specifically that she wants Shepard's assistance, but it's been a while since I had that talk with her and youtube just shows Miranda yanking her top off. The game allows you to have missions wherein you go solo, so if it was so important to her, I think the game would compensate for that. (Again, unless I'm just forgetting, which is entirely possible.)

It's not about pride. It's about Miranda not liking to let people get close. She has a very dettached personality and, if she can help it, she won't involve anyone else in something that she considers personal. Even her only friend at the time, Niket, had no idea she had rescued Oriana from Mr.Lawson.
She will only ask for help if she has absolutely no other choice, like in ME2.

I agree that Miranda tends to be closed off. But in asking for help in the first place, her cold behaviour is trumped by her burning need to protect this one precious person in her life. When it comes down to the wire, she chooses a behavioural pattern unlike her general personality because Oriana > keeping people away. Her hopes of keeping her sister safe and secure trumps her own natural inclinations. She chooses to ask for help when she could at least try to forge ahead alone because her values place Oriana at the top of her priorities, if not the very top, but ahead of pride/personality/however you want to see it.

[GodWood]

DDCP wrote...
If you helped Cerberus and thus are not fighting them in ME3, she'll be after you, however I'm thinking she'll be the "hesitant assassin" going after you

I wouldn't mind this.
It'd give me a decent in character reason to kill her off.

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

SPOILER AHEAD


Miranda's storyline in ME3 should be divided into two major story arcs, IMO. The first one would be more focused on Cerberus with one of these things happening:

a) Miranda is doing her best to cause dissent amongst Cerberus's ranks. This would happen if Shepard blew up the Base.
b)Miranda is a double or even triple agent whose loyalties ultimately lie with Shepard and she is trying to destroy Cerberus from the inside out. Assuming, of course, that The Illusive Man's unlogical wrath is focused solely on Shepard. This would happen if Shepard preserved the Base.
c) Miranda could be blackmailed to turn against Shepard, temporarily of course. Personally, I don't like this one because if Miranda resigned, logically the first thing she whould do is attend to Oriana's protection which I hope just happened offscreen. So, unless Shepard gave the Base to Cerberus, I don' see this blackmail plot happening.

Or Miranda could have resigned from Cerberus despite Shepard's choice regarding the Base and we will re encounter her on whatever planet Oriana has been relocated to.
Personally, I think this would be a waste but maybe that's just me.

After the final confrontation with Cerberus; in which I hope there will be Shepard and Miranda teamworking to kill Kai Leng and the option to have Miranda replace The Illusive Man instead of simply destroying Cerberus; Miranda could become a permanent squadmate and the second story arc would be more Romance/Friendship oriented (it could even be Romance-exclusive and all LIs would have something similar), perhaps we could even finally confront Mr.Lawson. I can already see having to cut through an army of "Mirandas". Pure nigthmare fuel, rigth there. So much worse than the Human-Reaper.

Personnally I would prefer that Miranda relocates her sister during the Trial, so she can go back on the Normandy as soon as possible to help Shepard fight Cerberus, and more important : the Reapers.

MisterJB wrote...

Just ignore the trolls.

Essential in a thread about Miranda

Modifié par Yannkee, 14 mai 2011 - 08:14 .

[Ieldra]

Hmm...quite a few things discussed here in my absence.

Regarding Oriana's role:
I would prefer her not to be a plot hook again. It would be a repetition and make Miranda appear one-sided. I agree with Yannkee that Miranda should relocate her sister off-screen in the time between ME2 and ME3 and that her story should be more directly connected to the main plot. Finding out why Cerberus is after Shepard would be good start.

Regarding the "Miranda in danger" scenario:
My main concern here is that she does not appear weak or incompetent. Nobody's immune from danger and even someone like Miranda can be in over her head, but she should have a major role in getting out of the situation, even to the point that Shepard's assistance makes things a lot easier, but isn't really necessary.

Regarding Miranda's loyalty:
I very much doubt Miranda would sympathize with the new Cerberus which is after Shepard for some reason. After all, Shepard has proven his competence by stopping the Collectors, and in some way he's her creation. Thus I think she'll be more loyal to Shepard than to Cerberus even in games where she didn't resign at the end of ME2. Since her resignation at the end of ME2 is independent from her "loyalty" flag, I assume that things don't change if you havent done her loyalty mission in ME2. Even if Shepard and Miranda are both still technically with Cerberus (having kept the base), she'll still think Shepard is too valuable a resource for the fight against the Reapers to take him off the board.

Miranda as a villain:
This has been proposed several times in the past. While I don't like it, it is an interesting suggestion and not altogther implausible. Those who suggest it are not mindless haters. But it would pretty much preclude a happy ending between Shepard and Miranda, so I'm very sure such a scenario will not be forced on us. What I can see is that certain decisions we can take in ME3 might make Miranda our enemy. But whether or not "Miranda as a villain" is a possible development in ME3, it will be in our hands to prevent it or make it come to pass. Similar to how certain party members can become your enemies in DA2.

As for the resident troll:
The Master of Variables has spoken. We can now be pretty sure Miranda will have a big role in ME3. After all, a denouncement by him is almost as good as a confirmation by Casey Hudson.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 mai 2011 - 08:58 .

[MisterJB]

Valentia X wrote...
Sorry, bit of a language screw up, I meant that she's helped him before. No, I doubt she told him about Oriana, but do you think he- or anyone else on the crew- doesn't know afterwards? Scuttlebutt travels fast.

I assume that whatever happened due to gameplay mechanics, like bringing a third party member on Miranda's LM, canon wise didn't happen.
For example: I know that Miranda is sterile. Does Commander John Shepard knows? I certainly hope not.
Kasumi is the exception. She knows. She always knows.

Miranda's smart, and I doubt she'd go in guns blazing if she knew/strongly suspected that going in alone would end with her death and/or Oriana being captured.

No one said anything about Miranda going in "guns blazing". Alone or with company.

The fact that she asks for help in the first place shows that Oriana > Miranda's pride and need for secrecy. Her sister's safety and happiness is paramount; why would she risk going it alone?

Same reason she rescued Oriana alone 19 years ago. She has confidence in her abilities and would prefer to handle something so personal alone.

Would? Based on what?

Logic and assumptions, nothing else. Miranda is already very hesitant to ask Shepard and only does so because saving Oriana was not part of the mission they were currently in and so, the only way for her to be on Illium during the relocation would be by asking Shepard. I don't think she would want to involve anyone else on something so personal.

If I missed a dialogue option, what was it that stated that she only wanted Shep's help? Asking seriously here, I can't recall her saying specifically that she wants Shepard's assistance, but it's been a while since I had that talk with her and youtube just shows Miranda yanking her top off.

Allow me to direct you to this site
http://gutty47.110mb.com/dialogue.php
Where you'll find all of the dialogue Miranda shares with Shepard.

The game allows you to have missions wherein you go solo, so if it was so important to her, I think the game would compensate for that.

Captain Enyala is a mini-boss battle. I guess the game tought we couldn't handle it with just Miranda.

It's not about pride. It's about Miranda not liking to let people get close. She has a very dettached personality and, if she can help it, she won't involve anyone else in something that she considers personal. Even her only friend at the time, Niket, had no idea she had rescued Oriana from Mr.Lawson.
She will only ask for help if she has absolutely no other choice, like in ME2.

She chooses to ask for help when she could at least try to forge ahead alone because her values place Oriana at the top of her priorities, if not the very top, but ahead of pride/personality/however you want to see it.

Oriana's safety is Miranda's top priority (confirmed by their chat you can read in the Lair) and I have no doubt that she will ask for help if she absolutely has to. Such was what happened in ME2. Miranda didn't choose to ask for Shepard's help, she had to for reasons that I explained above.
After that, she could have certainly attempted to figth Eclipse by herself but I think her reasoning was "Since I already had to tell him about Oriana, migth as well ask the One-Man Army that is Shepard to come along."

Elite Midget wrote...
Such a vulgar tone you have. It's not my fault that you don't wish to believe the truth.

Next time romance Tali or Garrus because they're the only ones that mattered from ME2.

Ah so, not a troll but rather a ME2 fan distraught by the lack of news.
I can relate.

Ieldra2 wrote...
My main concern here is that she does not appear weak or incompetent.

Can I assume you mean your main concern is that she appears weak or incompetent?

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 mai 2011 - 12:20 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
For example: I know that Miranda is sterile. Does Commander John Shepard knows? I certainly hope not.
Kasumi is the exception. She knows. She always knows.

Why would you wish that Shepard doesn't know? More importantly, why would you assume he doesn't, having read the SB's dossier? And perhaps I should mention that "sterile" isn't exactly correct, from what we can infer from the dossier.

Ieldra2 wrote...
My main concern here is that she does not appear weak or incompetent.

Can I assume you mean your main concern is that she appears weak or incompetent?

Err....perhaps as a non-native speaker I'm not quite sure of the way "concern" can and cannot be used. For clarity: I do not want Miranda to appear weak, incompetent or sentimental.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 mai 2011 - 12:54 .

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Why would you wish that Shepard doesn't know?

For one, it's an invasion of Miranda's privacy. And, if/when Miranda tells him, I would prefer if his answer is not something he could have rehearsed in front of a mirror.

More importantly, why would you assume he doesn't, having read the SB's dossier?

Same reason he won't tell Liara Matriarch Aethyta has a photo of her and won't confront Anderson about his meetings with Cerberus personel. Either Shepard cannonically doesn't know, or it's being saved for ME3.

Err....perhaps as a non-native speaker I'm not quite sure of the way "concern" can and cannot be used.

My mistake, actually. I apologize. As a non-native speaker myself, I had forgotten that "concern" can be used the way you did.

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

If I missed a dialogue option, what was it that stated that she only wanted Shep's help? Asking seriously here, I can't recall her saying specifically that she wants Shepard's assistance, but it's been a while since I had that talk with her and youtube just shows Miranda yanking her top off.

Allow me to direct you to this site
http://gutty47.110mb.com/dialogue.php
Where you'll find all of the dialogue Miranda shares with Shepard.

This was bad faith. You can find every dialogues of Miranda on youtube, even the parts which are not on gutty47 site.