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[element eater]

I wouldn't be surprised if she takes control of Cerberus once you beat TIM maybe,
just a random thought
i have to admit i think its a toss up between jack and Miranda as I don't think we will get 3 squad mates with a pure biotic focus and as liaras already there just space for one imo

[NoUserNameHere]

element eater wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if she takes control of Cerberus once you beat TIM maybe,
just a random thought
i have to admit i think its a toss up between jack and Miranda as I don't think we will get 3 squad mates with a pure biotic focus and as liaras already there just space for one imo

... but taking over TIMs empire in order to ensure human domination against the Reapers and beyond is Shep's job!

[Destroy Raiden_]

I'm sure Mianda will be back but BW I want the option to airlock her as a cylon or replace her as XO and choose from her, Garrus, or Jacob for the job sense I loath her being my unappointed XO.

[Vertigo_1]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Nope  For sheer amounts of fanfiction, forum posts and fanart, the Kaidan fans have a slight but measurable superiority in numbers to the Garrus fans.

(This is an outsider's opinion. I'm an Ashaholic, strictly neutral in the Garrus/Kaidan debate)

I REALLY don't see that (Kaidan having more art, forum posts, fanfiction; so far its a lot more in Garrus's favor)

BUT I think we should just leave it as is...no point argueing over this

OT: *Still hopes Miranda will be a permanent squadmate in ME3*

[Ieldra]

DDCP wrote...
I'm amazed at the Miranda supporters here...honestly it's nice to "meet" everyone here. I posted this thread cause I felt doubts about her future in ME3 as a playable squadmate/love interest, etc. but after seeing this many people invested and supporting her I am kinda geeking out here with optimism!

She'll be there. The question is: will she be there enough? After Casey Hudson's wriggling out of those kinds of questions again and again I'm not so optimistic about that.

I do hope the Oriana storyline won't sideline Miranda from being a squadmate or someone who just brushes by Shepard (like Wrex) in ME2. I am pretty confident though now that I think about it that since this is the conclusion, they wouldn't let you break your love interest (regardless if it was from ME1 or ME2) now that things are wrapping up.

They said we'll have a "final resolution" with our LIs, so I don't think we need to worry about that. But I want more. I want Miranda integrated into the story and I want her to be a powerful presence with a noticeable impact.

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
If Miranda is indeed a squad member, what types of powers or abilities would guys want her to use? Doesn't have to be a power that all ready exists as the devs are adding on to the already awesome combat system of ME2. Let's get creative people.

I don't think there should be many new powers. Biotic powers are based on telekinesis and mass manipulation so anything that can't be rationalized as being some variant of that shouldn't exist.
As for Miranda, she should have Pull/Throw (being alternate evolutions of the basic biotic telekinesis) and Warp (see my fanfic for its integration into "biotic theory"). But she should also have tech powers. She should keep Overload and perhaps get a new power - the existing ones don't seem to fit for no reason I can put my finger on.

[Ieldra]

alperez wrote...
One other small point to the haters, i'm an unabashed Ashley fan have been since me1 but when will people get it into their heads that one doesn't preclude the other.

If Miranda is not a squad member in me3 then the game will be poorer for it, regardless of whether she is your Li or not, the character needs a proper resolution and full squadmate status is the only way that can occur.

Anything less would be a slap in the face and would make me2 an even more meaningless game, why introduce a cerberus operative that can depending on how you play resign from cerberus (who end up coming after you in me3) if the role you had planned for her was minor and her arc could be resolved with a cameo or temp squadmate status it makes no sense and reeks of incredibly bad planning.

The problem is, I can see a believable scenario where she's not a permanent team member more easily than I can see a scenario where she is. After all, she has power and influence independently from Shepard, more so than any other team member, and it makes sense that she'll bring her weight to bear better in another role than just being Shepard's second-in-command, to say nothing of the XO role which isn't that glorious in the first place.

That's why I don't say I want her strictly permanent from near the start to the very end of the game. But I do want her with me for more than a mission or two, and I want her to be with me at the end.

Regarding the danger for Miranda appearing weak, the problem is that ME2 failed to showcase her competence. It was always an informed ability. ME3 needs to showcase her competence. Yes, even someone like Miranda can be in over her head, but the way how this is shown and written will matter. If she's in trouble, she has to make significant progress in getting out of it on her own before Shepard comes to the rescue. I would really love it if Shepard comes in with guns at the ready, and Miranda's just dusting herself off from taking her captors/guards/whatever out of the picture, greeting Shepard with her trademark enigmatic smile and a laconic "You're late." 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2011 - 07:49 .

[lawp79]

I read the exclusive Mass effect 3 article in xbox (uk) world the weekend, Miranda wasnt mentioned once I dont think, almost every other squad mate was mentioned. I am not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. However the one thing (I believe) the character does have in her favour is the actress who lends her voice to her being more well known than alot of the other voice actors.

Personally I think she will play a large role in the game, but if she is going to be a squad mate she will probably be one of the last to be anounced.

[TobyHasEyes]

I envisage a scenario where Cerberus has captured Miranda and is keeping her prisoner, and Shepard is given the opportunity to rescue her. Would be especially poignant if she was a love interest, and the mission could be REALLY tense if you have conflicting love interests

[Ieldra]

TobyHasEyes wrote...
I envisage a scenario where Cerberus has captured Miranda and is keeping her prisoner, and Shepard is given the opportunity to rescue her. Would be especially poignant if she was a love interest, and the mission could be REALLY tense if you have conflicting love interests

As I said, I will only like such a scenario if Miranda shows her competence by doing most of the getting out herself. I can also envision a scenario where she gets Shepard out of trouble. Wouldn't that be a nice subversion of the usual roles.....?

As for the conflict, maybe some tension is appropriate, but the mission itself should be connected to the main plot. Such as "meet a Cerberus contact to gain information about why they're after Shepard". The contact turns out to be Miranda, but she's got some trouble with a few people of the Reaper-Cerberus faction. Nothing she can't handle, but the window in which she can get that vital information out of the Cerberus station's computers is closing fast. 

I also want a badass cutscene with Miranda. 

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

OT: *Still hopes Miranda will be a permanent squadmate in ME3*

Me too, I still hope ... but it's more and more difficult.

The problem is that witout confirmation, I can't enjoy any ME3 news. To me the last chapter of the series is not worth it without Miranda at Shepard's side.

[TobyHasEyes]

Ieldra2 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...
I envisage a scenario where Cerberus has captured Miranda and is keeping her prisoner, and Shepard is given the opportunity to rescue her. Would be especially poignant if she was a love interest, and the mission could be REALLY tense if you have conflicting love interests

As I said, I will only like such a scenario if Miranda shows her competence by doing most of the getting out herself. I can also envision a scenario where she gets Shepard out of trouble. Wouldn't that be a nice subversion of the usual roles.....?

As for the conflict, maybe some tension is appropriate, but the mission itself should be connected to the main plot. Such as "meet a Cerberus contact to gain information about why they're after Shepard". The contact turns out to be Miranda, but she's got some trouble with a few people of the Reaper-Cerberus faction. Nothing she can't handle, but the window in which she can get that vital information out of the Cerberus station's computers is closing fast. 

I also want a badass cutscene with Miranda. 

 I agree that the subversion of roles could be interesting, and that Miranda proved to be an interesting character in a large part because she was independently competent. But I think a scenario like this could definately work and still maintain that image. We had Shepard having  to rescue Garrus in Mass Effect 2, and few other characters are presented as being quite as independently competent as Garrus. The same can be said for Tali, though some could view her view of Shepard as the white knight hero as not working towards that image (can be debated)

 Maybe the badass cutscene could be as she is released, depending on your Paragon/Renegade status (and your relationship) you could temper her actions or allow her to do her thing

[PauloT-Soni]

didn't Casey Hudson say that we will get awkward encounters with our previous LI and our current LI?? doesn't that mean that Miranda will appear no doubt?? However if she will appear as a permanent crew member is another thing, but I do hope she will be of great importance. She is both a biotic and great combat skills (she was in my team in 9/10 times along with Garrus or Thane) and like it was already said she has a famous voice-actress. Yvonne Strzechowski is one of the reasons I got interested in playing the Mass Effect series, they're not just gonna let her play a minor role (like what Liara was in ME2) in ME3. You don't think the Devs just picked her for one game and spent so much time making her looking all hot and look like Strzechowski (actually that's just the one ) and possibly paid her the big bucks to use her voice and face for the game?

[Ieldra]

PauloT-Soni wrote...
didn't Casey Hudson say that we will get awkward encounters with our previous LI and our current LI?? doesn't that mean that Miranda will appear no doubt?? However if she will appear as a permanent crew member is another thing, but I do hope she will be of great importance.

You summed it up nicely. The fear that she won't appear at all has been laid to rest by CH saying "They're all be in ME3 somewhere". Unfortunately, that doesn't rule out we'll get something like Horizon, though I rather doubt it. The main concern is "will she be developed into a direction we don't like" and "will she have enough of a screen presence?"

Yes, I also hope she will be of great importance.

She is both a biotic and great combat skills (she was in my team in 9/10 times along with Garrus or Thane) and like it was already said she has a famous voice-actress. Yvonne Strzechowski is one of the reasons I got interested in playing the Mass Effect series, they're not just gonna let her play a minor role (like what Liara was in ME2) in ME3. You don't think the Devs just picked her for one game and spent so much time making her looking all hot and look like Strzechowski (actually that's just the one ) and possibly paid her the big bucks to use her voice and face for the game?

ME2 is one game, ME3 a different one. Miranda was the poster girl for ME2, I doubt she'll be the same again, Yvonne Strahovksi or not. My hope rests more on her popularity and her potential for any Cerberus-related subplot.

@TobyHasEyes:
I agree that such a scenario could be written with Miranda showing the appropriate competence. What I'm afraid of is that some writer wants to write her down.
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2011 - 04:04 .

[Reever]

The OP´s idea regarding Shepard having to choose his crew from among old and new squadmates is pretty interesting.
As for Miranda, I´m really looking forward to her issues. We all know Cerberus knows where Oriana is...

[Ieldra]

People, can't you be a little more inventive in your preferences? We already had Oriana as a plot hook, we don't need that again.

[jtav]

It's not a matter of preferences, it's a matter of prediction. They don't tend to be very inventive with this sort of thing, and I would be willing to bet money that Oriana is the driver of Miranda's plot.

Modifié par jtav, 18 mai 2011 - 10:28 .

[Ieldra]

Family stuff again. I hate family stuff as a plot hook *grumbles* And you, jtav, I shall rename "crusher of dreams" - you always make the unpleasant predictions. It's almost as some part of you wants them to come true.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2011 - 10:44 .

[alperez]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The problem is, I can see a believable scenario where she's not a permanent team member more easily than I can see a scenario where she is. After all, she has power and influence independently from Shepard, more so than any other team member, and it makes sense that she'll bring her weight to bear better in another role than just being Shepard's second-in-command, to say nothing of the XO role which isn't that glorious in the first place.

That's why I don't say I want her strictly permanent from near the start to the very end of the game. But I do want her with me for more than a mission or two, and I want her to be with me at the end.

Regarding the danger for Miranda appearing weak, the problem is that ME2 failed to showcase her competence. It was always an informed ability. ME3 needs to showcase her competence. Yes, even someone like Miranda can be in over her head, but the way how this is shown and written will matter. If she's in trouble, she has to make significant progress in getting out of it on her own before Shepard comes to the rescue. I would really love it if Shepard comes in with guns at the ready, and Miranda's just dusting herself off from taking her captors/guards/whatever out of the picture, greeting Shepard with her trademark enigmatic smile and a laconic "You're late." 

Very well said and i think i understand where your coming from in terms of a scenario where she wouldn't be a permanent squad member.

Personally even though i'm an Ash fan like i've said i think Miranda needs a full squadmate role more so than pratically any of the other me2 characters (tali and garrus excepted).

Considering cerberus play such a large role in me3 not having Miranda along while we face them makes little sense imo.

We have an ally/Li who knows more about cerberus/tim than any other person we've met thus far to not seek her out for info/help would seem like a wasted resource. Then once we've met up with Miranda to not bring her along makes even less sense, she knows more about the inner workings of cerberus than we do so what would we do go thanks for the info oh look heres a ridicolous plot point that makes it impossible for you to come with us.

I can see them not allowing us to meet up with her or that we cannot at first find her but once we do i just can't see them making it logical for Miranda not to be on our squad from that point on. Yes they could contrive some situation where technically this makes sense but in reality there isn't one that works.

We're fighting the reapers and we have cerberus trying to kill us, we meet up with Miranda and she can't come with us just seems like a cop out that is in place for one reason only to not do the work of making her a squadmate. To me this is how any scenario where she isn't a full squadmate would end up being perceived.

I've speculated the Oriana situation would be the trigger for the simple reason that it ticks all the boxes, it allows a situation where Miranda is in trouble and resolves the Ori/Miri strand of the story killing two birds with one stone. But even this can't really explain why MIranda would only be a cameo or temp squadmate. Yes she cares about her sister and her safety but she still went on a suicide mission regardless of this fact to then use it as a reason against her going with Shepard makes no sense whatsoever.

Her popularity and fanbase are as big if not bigger than pratically every me2 squadmate (tali/garrus excepted) but more importantly to me her place in the storyline is too big to just dismiss with a temp role she has to be a full squadmate.

Lastly in terms of making her character appear stronger and more confident why not for once have a character save Shepard?

We face what looks like a seriously bad situation, we wonder how we'll get out of it and then Whoosh Miranda comes in and saves our ass.

Insert cool line here lol.

(sorry couldn't think of one).

[jtav]

Ieldra, I'm deeply cynical. Think about how much you and I have to ignore or explain away: the fact that she's blind to Niket and TIM's betrayals despite supposedly being a good judge of character, a dossier that suggests she was trying to get pregnant while on a suicide mission, her Collector base and jealousy dialogues. We're told she's capable and professional, proud of what she can do if not of herself. We're shown a woman with huge blindspots who has a deep-seated need for approval and latched on to Cerberus to fill that need and can't have the traditional life she really wants. I can see the capable Miranda. I want the capable Miranda. But I don't trust the writers not to go for the lowest common denominator.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

It's not a matter of preferences, it's a matter of prediction. They don't tend to be very inventive with this sort of thing, and I would be willing to bet money that Oriana is the driver of Miranda's plot.

Maybe. I see it as unlikely though

The latest XBW article states that
"For some stories the wrap up was an email in Shepard's Mass Effect 2 inbox; for others, their moment has yet to come."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Their moment, or their email?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 19 mai 2011 - 02:13 .

[Vertigo_1]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Their moment, or their email?

I see what you did there...hopefully they don't do that as much in ME3

[ReD BaKen9]

I think Miranda is going to come back but maybe not as a full time squad member considering she is part of Cerberus.

[Golden Owl]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I'm sure Mianda will be back but BW I want the option to airlock her as a cylon or replace her as XO and choose from her, Garrus, or Jacob for the job sense I loath her being my unappointed XO.

I fully expect Miranda to play a large role in ME3 (because of her role in ME2)....but like you would love to have some say...a choice...of who my ME3 XO will be...both Miri and Garrus are more than capable of the job, would be great and a more satisfying game play...not be so straight jacketed...if we could make some choices like that....Garrus for XO......that's my vote locked in...

Modifié par Golden Owl, 19 mai 2011 - 05:57 .