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[Caihn]

alperez wrote...

Lastly in terms of making her character appear stronger and more confident why not for once have a character save Shepard?

I like this idea, I would prefer to be saved by Miranda than saving her.
But sorry, the fact that we could have to save her doesn't make her a weak character. It depends of how she put herself in this situation.
And even if her strength is part of the character, it's not the only thing which define her.
I find this character interesting because of the different aspects of her personality. And I don't want that one of these aspects prevail on the others because some people refuse accept the others.
I can easily imagine Miranda taking an another decision driven by her emotions. And the result will be that she would risk everything to save her sister, even if that means that she could be captured or killed.

About the idea of saving Shepard : I think Bioware could do that in ME3 with the romance status. Maybe Miranda (or an another LI if you didn't romance her), will be the one who will save Shepard at the end of the game.

Modifié par Yannkee, 19 mai 2011 - 06:18 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, I'm deeply cynical. Think about how much you and I have to ignore or explain away: the fact that she's blind to Niket and TIM's betrayals despite supposedly being a good judge of character, a dossier that suggests she was trying to get pregnant while on a suicide mission, her Collector base and jealousy dialogues. We're told she's capable and professional, proud of what she can do if not of herself. We're shown a woman with huge blindspots who has a deep-seated need for approval and latched on to Cerberus to fill that need and can't have the traditional life she really wants. I can see the capable Miranda. I want the capable Miranda. But I don't trust the writers not to go for the lowest common denominator.

I'm a little more optimistic. People have proposed many different ways how her character development could go in ME3, and people like different things about her, but I don't think I have seen a single post expressing even the faintest wish for her to be anything than competent and capable. Also for the more traditional ending we have Ashley. I think her writers are very much aware of her potential, even more so if they have read even a small part of the fan responses.

BTW, her competence does show, only it's mostly in gameplay where she's by far the most useful team member. Perhaps Bioware forgot that gameplay has only a minor effect on how a character is perceived. Or I am wrong and her usefulness in gameplay actually does play a role in players liking her - after all, I don't know how the more casual players who don't visit these forums feel about it.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
I can easily imagine Miranda taking an another decision driven by her emotions. And the result will be that she would risk everything to save her sister, even if that means that she could be captured or killed.

It might surprise you, but I agree with you that she would take huge personal risks to save her sister. I don't really mind that fact itself, but the implementation matters. She might take risks, but she'll also plan any rescue attempt to the best of her ability. As long as they don't make a "fools rush in" scenario from it and as long as they show Miranda as capable of tactical planning even while under this huge emotional stress, I'd be OK with it. Only that I don't want Oriana as a plot hook again.

[Nightdragon8]

hows this one... what about her sister isn't starial... then she asks you the question (would you have a kid with her "gentic twin" sister and how she would react to that. so you have to pick the right responses in order to be able to have kids with the twin... or just have an egg transplanted or what not

[Ieldra]

Nightdragon8 wrote...
hows this one... what about her sister isn't starial... then she asks you the question (would you have a kid with her "gentic twin" sister and how she would react to that. so you have to pick the right responses in order to be able to have kids with the twin... or just have an egg transplanted or what not

Some sort of inverted Morrigan scenario? In order for Miranda to adopt a child from her own twin sister who is after all genetically identical to herself? I have an instant dislike of using Oriana as a surrogate mother for Miranda's children. Besides, as I have pointed out elsewhere, it is implausible that Miranda's condition cannot be cured or circumvented given the level of biotechnology in the ME universe, and I'd rather have her remove or circumvent it.

I should mention there is a lot of ick potential in that scenario. Could possibly make interesting AU fanfic material, but I hope we won't see it the game.

 

[Nightdragon8]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...
hows this one... what about her sister isn't starial... then she asks you the question (would you have a kid with her "gentic twin" sister and how she would react to that. so you have to pick the right responses in order to be able to have kids with the twin... or just have an egg transplanted or what not

Some sort of inverted Morrigan scenario? In order for Miranda to adopt a child from her own twin sister who is after all genetically identical to herself? I have an instant dislike of using Oriana as a surrogate mother for Miranda's children. Besides, as I have pointed out elsewhere, it is implausible that Miranda's condition cannot be cured or circumvented given the level of biotechnology in the ME universe, and I'd rather have her remove or circumvent it.

I should mention there is a lot of ick potential in that scenario. Could possibly make interesting AU fanfic material, but I hope we won't see it the game.

 

There is a limit in what is avablie, the only ones that seem to have a prefect grasp of gentic modifaction are the Reapers. I and seriously doubt that they will just easily give it to him.

OOooo Sudden Thought, Make that a turning point. I mean we have been getting hints that the Reapers where making deals with people for stuff. What if Sheperds one is a cure for Maranda's, Strility but he "walks away" and that would be a prefect drama point. And they promise not to be killed.

Liarias would be a Ardact Yachti (how ever you spell it) thing.

Lets see... Ash... only that could be a strait up blackmail.... maybe some sort of evedince that will make the allince... no... wouldn't matter too much. Reseriection of dead squadies?? No.... I can't think of a good one....  Maybe allow Ash to get vengence for the dishonor by letting her watch the genocide of the Turians? Or a play on reglion... let her become part of her god?? Or maybe Reapers start brainwashing her into thinking they are the "God" of religion.

Jack would be... I dunno Erase the mental truama's and effectivly a mentel memory re-write.

(All Ideas are thanks to Caffine been dry of it for like 5 months, first time Ihave had alot in one day)

Edit:
Tali's would be allowing her to walk around without a suit.  Or some such.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 22 mai 2011 - 10:44 .

[stuboy52]

on the case of here being in me3 since garrus and tali have been confirmed tali being the most popular second is garrus since on the forums miranda is third most popular we can make an educated guess that miranda will be a squad mate or at least have a big role as also in me2 she played a larger role than any other squadmate as shephards second in command. plus since it confirmed cerberus is after shep in me3 then naturally miranda the once cerberus's best agent would make sense to play a part in sheps fight against TIM.

[Loup Blanc]

While I would love it to be the case, I just don't see Miranda as a permanent squad member. I can however see us go after TIM, kill him, have Miranda replace him at the head of the organization, and this would grant Shepard the Cerberus forces in the war against the Reapers. Either way, need happy closure on the romance.

Modifié par JL81, 28 mai 2011 - 10:44 .

[TomY90]

I think Miranda is going to be a full squad member espcially if you look at the pattern so far of the confirmed characters so far they have all been potential love interests which if they had only potential LI's as squad members it would actually reduce the amount of members on the normandy if you compare ME2 to ME3.

but the role I think with miranda will be that she is either a double agent spying on cerberus for the alliance if she did not quit during ME2.

if she did quit during ME2 then I can imagine her being high ranked in the alliance ranks on a division doing anti cerberus work.

which these situations would enable her to have a role against cerberus no matter what which is what bioware will want most to be able to reduce the effects of decisions as much as possible without making it too lazy.

after that I believe she will either join you at a later date or from the start and will have major roles against cerberus and the running of the normandy and improvements throughout.