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[Saurel]

My guess is even if he wasn't officially killed, someone in the Circle would off him after the incident and people might not bat an eye.





The only way I could see them keeping him alive and non-tranquil is if they were curious to know more about Blood Magic from someone seemingly in control. I really doubt they would run the risk.



I suppose a Magneto-like prison may be an option if they really wanted to keep good faith with the Warden if they liked Jowan.

[Taleroth]

He's probably dead. Which I think is a tragedy. I liked him.

[Count Viceroy]

Meh, he got what was comming to him if you ask me. And I say this as a mage, even though I betrayed him.

[jimmyw404]

Would've been a good touch to meet up with him as a tranquil mage, or even have Irvin ask you to decide his fate, and if you pick to let him be free, then the nearest templar kills him from behind.



Or would be cool if you could save his girl from whatever prison there is. Would be a good DLC.

[Majspuffen]

I tried real hard to get him to redeem himself. I'm seriously pissed off at Arl Eamon for not letting him go, after saving his kid. I am also disappointed in bioware, why couldn't you recruit him? Duncan says that there has been blood mages in the grey wardens. As Jowans friend, you could protect him from the templars and have him redeem himself further.

[Red Viking]

jimmyw404 wrote...

Would've been a good touch to meet up with him as a tranquil mage, or even have Irvin ask you to decide his fate, and if you pick to let him be free, then the nearest templar kills him from behind.

Or would be cool if you could save his girl from whatever prison there is. Would be a good DLC.

I would haved liked to see this too.

[Invalidcode]

If you let the circle take him, he kills the Templar during escort and escape right?

And then there would be bounty on him.

[Suron]

Majspuffen wrote...

I tried real hard to get him to redeem himself. I'm seriously pissed off at Arl Eamon for not letting him go, after saving his kid. I am also disappointed in bioware, why couldn't you recruit him? Duncan says that there has been blood mages in the grey wardens. As Jowans friend, you could protect him from the templars and have him redeem himself further.

while I didn't care for Jowan enought to take him as a companion....this doesn't make sense..so I agree...

I mean...several of the origins has Duncan "invoke the right of inscription" (or whatever) to save YOU...and there's a LOADING SCREEN talking about how the wardens can recruit even princes...

yet an ARL denies me when I tell him to let Jowan go and/or there's no option to say "yah uh..inscription please...give him here..I don't care what you want or think"

I have very few complaints about this game but this is one of them....I love how an "order" you belong too has these rights but YOU can't invoke any of them really...

[KalosCast]

I was also disappointed that you never got to invoke the right of conscription. I figured I'd get to save Jowan that way, or even Sten, but it's never an option. I suppose people might catch on when you don't actually know how to do the Joining ceremony.

[The Angry One]

If Jowan ever undertook the Joining he'd find some way to mess it up so badly, he ends up possessed by the Archdemon.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The Angry One wrote...

If Jowan ever undertook the Joining he'd find some way to mess it up so badly, he ends up possessed by the Archdemon.

Agreed.  Assuming you help him in his little shenanigans, he turns out to be a cowardly, worthless, lying wretch.  I sent him back to the Circle only because I thought they'd end his life a little more kindly than the lynch mob he surely would've faced in Redcliffe.

[AKofC]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be fun conscripting everyone you meet?



I'd conscript that bartender as the official Grey Tender.

[Nyaore]

Frankly Jowan doesn't seem like Grey Warden material to me even on his good days. The man is a menace, a well meaning menace but a menace none the less, because he doesn't think his actions through and often attracts trouble like a moth to a flame. Do I even need to remind people of the fireball incident you hear about during the mages origin? The man can barely handle the simplest of spell without screwing something up.
I feel bad for him on a certain level because he wouldn't be nearly as dangerous to others, and himself, if he were born without powers. Sadly he was, and that only amplifies the whole 'moth to a flame' situation Jowan has when it comes to getting himself into sticky situations. Now if you could have recruited him AND then were able to knock some sense into his skull to put an end to all his naive mistakes then he might be a decent companion. Not great, his stats and spell repertoire are pretty bad, but at least then you wouldn't have to worry about him dragging you down with his stupid mistakes.

Modifié par Nyaore, 21 novembre 2009 - 06:30 .

[Agni108]

Bah, I executed that weak-willed traitor in his cage. He is trouble wherever he goes. He almost killed the Arl, and made me go out of my way to save the Arl by getting the Urn. In my book, he deserved to die. But then I also killed Conner, and would have killed his mother too if I had the chance. Punching her in the face was some consolation. Because of her whiny self-absorbed attempt to "save" her son, half the village was slaughtered. Typical noble attitude, where one of them is worth hundreds of others.

[Greye]

Suron wrote...
yet an ARL denies me when I tell him to let Jowan go and/or there's no option to say "yah uh..inscription please...give him here..I don't care what you want or think"... how an "order" you belong too has these rights but YOU can't invoke any of them really...

Wow, that's a really, really good point.  It does allow you options of sympathy and asking for his release.  I was more disappointed when dealing with the defeated blood mage girl in the Mage's tower.  There was no sympathy allowed in the dialogue, and no way to actually aid her, sympathize with her, or acquire her assistance; just to let her go as an option of mercy instead of putting her to death. These are the things that make me wish the game was all in text.  There would be more options if they didn't have to be fully voiced.

[Korva]

The Grey Wardens are not a charity created to save random idiots from messes they created. They want only the best. Invoking the Right of Conscription -- rather pointless and hollow considering you don't even have a clue how to put a recruit through the Joining -- on someone just because you like them would be a fine way to ruin the Wardens' reputation, again. In Ferelden in particular, Wardens should invoke that Right only rarely and with great care.

Besides, odds are the random idiot will die in the Joining anyway, like Daveth did. I haven't played the mage origin (yet) but what I've seen of Jowan with my noble warrior painted him as a rather despicable moron whose desire for redemption comes rather too late.

Then again, at least HE does regret his actions. That vapid, self-absorbed, hysterical Orlesian b* Isolde is the one whose head I want on a pike since she is at least as much to blame as Jowan, yet there is no word of regret or apology from her, never mind any consequences for her crimes. My noble warrior thoroughly loathes her as an example of what nobility should not be. Wish I could hand her to the Circle, or at least tell her exactly what I think of her ...

Modifié par Korva, 21 novembre 2009 - 06:49 .

[Nyaore]

Korva wrote...

The Grey Wardens are not a charity created to save random idiots from messes they created. They want only the best. Invoking the Right of Conscription -- rather pointless and hollow considering you don't even have a clue how to put a recruit through the Joining -- on someone just because you like them would be a fine way to ruin the Wardens' reputation, again. In Ferelden in particular, Wardens should invoke that Right only rarely and with great care.

Besides, odds are the random idiot will die in the Joining anyway, like Daveth did. I haven't played the mage origin (yet) but what I've seen of Jowan with my noble warrior painted him as a rather despicable moron whose desire for redemption comes rather too late.

Then again, at least HE does regret his actions. That vapid, self-absorbed, hysterical Orlesian b* Isolde is the one whose head I want on a pike since she is at least as much to blame as Jowan, yet there is no word of regret or apology from her, never mind any consequences for her crimes. My noble warrior thoroughly loathes her as an example of what nobility should not be. Wish I could hand her to the Circle, or at least tell her exactly what I think of her ...

Why not just sacrifice her so that Jowan can let one of your mage's enter the fade? I can't tell you how enjoyable it was to see her lifeless body crumple to the floor at the end of that particular ritual.

[Greye]

Nyaore wrote...
Why not just sacrifice her so that Jowan can let one of your mage's enter the fade? I can't tell you how enjoyable it was to see her lifeless body crumple to the floor at the end of that particular ritual.

That is a very memorable scene with Jowan.  Even better if you could perform it yourself if you're a blood mage.    There was no pool of blood in that scene.  I wondered if they cut it out because it would have been over the top gruesome, or if the blood mage actually sucks away the blood.

[Korva]

My warrior here is a kind of paladin/protector type who always tries to "do the right thing" so blood magic was out of the question. She'd rather have killed the kid herself than let a maleficar who already caused more than enough pain work his evil magic. Who's to say he won't use the power from Isolde's death to make everyone's heads explode so he can get away? That suspicion would make even my less-goody-goody characters reluctant to involve Jowan. But yes, it'd be very satisfying to see Isolde pay for what she did.

[suzanne536]

I play a mage who grew up with Jowan. I felt he was a bumbling oaf who meant well, but seem to always make a mess of things. I sent him back to the Cicle of Mages to once again decide his fate.

[TetsuwanGeno]

I was expecting Jowan to be recruitable, since you can play as him in the Fade and there were several items restricted to blood mages. I had also thought (at the time until I found otherwise) that specialized classes were only available by talking to teammates, so Jowan joining and teaching you how to become a blood mage seemed logical.

I don't know why Bioware bothered giving your character sympathetic options in your dialogue with Jowan if they just intended for him to die no matter what you did. It's especially egregious with the Right of Conscription being mentioned and yet ignored, as people have pointed out before me. It just seems strange; from the time you talk to him in your cage, to when you free Bann Teagan, to when you heal Arl Eamon, you can argue on Jowan's behalf to let him go, and yet it's all pointless. Why did they bother?

I can understand the argument that Jowan might not have deserved to join the Grey Warden's team, but they have the option to kill him- those who want to save him cannot. I thought it would have been a great bit of character development between Jowan and any main characters who are mages, since it was his betrayal that lead them to become Grey Wardens. Saving Lilly from Aeonar would have been a good companion quest, too. It all seems to be in place right there, I just don't know why it didn't happen.

It also bothers me that Sten, who is also repentant, gets a chance, when Jowan does not. Even worse is the fact that Isolde- who hired Jowan, hid Connor's abilities to save her reputation, refused to tell her husband about their son, sat by while her possessed son destroyed their town, and then lied to Bann Teagan to lure him into an ambush, while refusing any help from THE GREY WARDENS WHO SAVED HER TOWN FROM HER SON- absolutely never utters a single word of apology, but for some reason you can save -her-. If any of the three deserved to die, it would be her.

*/rant mode off*

Modifié par TetsuwanGeno, 22 novembre 2009 - 03:18 .

[Maria Caliban]

Majspuffen wrote...

I tried real hard to get him to redeem himself. I'm seriously pissed off at Arl Eamon for not letting him go, after saving his kid. I am also disappointed in bioware, why couldn't you recruit him? Duncan says that there has been blood mages in the grey wardens. As Jowans friend, you could protect him from the templars and have him redeem himself further.

1. I got the Arl to let him go. You need to up your speechcraft or pick better options.

2. Originally, he was going to be a party memeber.

TetsuwanGeno wrote...

I don't know why Bioware bothered giving your character sympathetic options in your dialogue with Jowan if they just intended for him to die no matter what you did. It's especially egregious with the Right of Conscription being mentioned and yet ignored, as people have pointed out before me. It just seems strange; from the time you talk to him in your cage, to when you free Bann Teagan, to when you heal Arl Eamon, you can argue on Jowan's behalf to let him go, and yet it's all pointless. Why did they bother?

It's not pointless. You CAN save Jowan.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 22 novembre 2009 - 03:25 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I got the Arl to let the Circle take Jowan. What happens after that...well, I'm hoping they gave him a chance to redeem himself. However, I wonder if they didn't decide to Tranq him like they originally planned to do. Boy, I feel sorry for Jowan's girlfriend though.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 novembre 2009 - 03:36 .

[Ovietski]

I Hate both of them (isode and jowan). Jowan because he's a pathetic excuse of a mage (my mage origin POV) and always does the worst thing possible. I hate Isode because she's an all around pompous ****** who thinks her son is worth 1000's of others lives. She is the one person in DA:O (except Loghain) that I actually loathe, i didn't know you could off her so i'm ganna half to pay a visit to redcliff with a new char. >: )